| 'Ashton out chants' 15:26 - Apr 2 with 4086 views | dan1878_ |
I cannot beleive that with 8 games to go people are going to try get 'we want Ashton out' chants going. The atmosphere this season has been pretty flat especially compared to other seasons. Also when Marcus Evans was killing the club there was not this much commotion and people trying to start protests, when real change was needed.
Ashton has made a mistake apolgised for it but instead of moving on with our lives people want to destroy the person who has changed our club and transformed us to levels I did not think we would reach.
If people want to make an impact monday sing for the whole 90 minutes and get behind the players. There are far more worse things in the world happening right now. |  | | |  |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:57 - Apr 2 with 574 views | Churchman |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:29 - Apr 2 by Zx1988 |
I appreciate that not everyone would agree, but I'd much rather be a fan of a morally unimpeachable club down in the Conference, than I would of a morally bankrupt club that wins everything going. |
So you’d rather see the majority of 562 employees out of a job, no community stuff, no anything beyond raffles to keep the club going, hand to mouth, in front of a few 1000 people as long as it’s ‘morally unimpeachable’. That’s how it is in the Conference as evidenced by a work colleague who happened to be a Director of Lincoln City when they were there.
Given the club has employed players with tags, one chased by debt collectors and drunk drivers aplenty, one of whom was a cult hero, I’m not sure where the moral unimpeachability in that is. They came and went, just as the CEO will.
In terms of morality, if there ever was any in professional football I’d happily argue that died first when shared gate receipts ended and later when the deeply selfish and immoral premier league was created.
I get the impression you and many others define the club as Ashton. He might think so too for all I know. It really isn’t any more than defining those that don’t go after Ashton with pitchforks and flaming torches as Reform supporters. I’d be more than happy to tell him that to his face too. He’s just an employee.
It’s all about time and place if people want to protest. Ashton and (disliked by many and he knows it) McKenna will be long gone before the leaves fall regardless. I’d rather they went with us trousering PL money than not and besides, none of this is the players fault.
The team deserve support and quite frankly inside the football ground on a match day is no place for politics or hatred in my opinion. |  | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:03 - Apr 2 with 556 views | ZedRodgers |
| 'Ashton out chants' (n/t) on 16:40 - Apr 2 by hunty21 |
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This is the most nonsensical post I’ve seen all week. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:10 - Apr 2 with 527 views | billlm |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:06 - Apr 2 by homer_123 |
With respect. I have no wish to derail the club I love and have supported for over 50 years.
I do have a wish that we conduct ourselves, as a Club, in the manner of those values, behaviours and ethos as a Club that we publicise. I do not wish for the Club to have success at any cost.
How we are successful is as important as any success we have.
Again, that is my view and my position but I repeat, I have no interest in derailing the Club. [Post edited 2 Apr 16:07]
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I to have been supporting for over 50 years, what happens on the grass I'm more interested in than this endless roundabout and witch hunt,
If it doesn't stop we won't beat brum as the hostility to people's views may well spill out in the stadium,
Not questioning you personally but it happened rightly or wrongly they've apologized limply but have, so time to move on,
Personally I don't believe Ashton will get away with this but the owners won't want to rock any further chances of promotion, |  | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:13 - Apr 2 with 517 views | Zx1988 |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:10 - Apr 2 by billlm |
I to have been supporting for over 50 years, what happens on the grass I'm more interested in than this endless roundabout and witch hunt,
If it doesn't stop we won't beat brum as the hostility to people's views may well spill out in the stadium,
Not questioning you personally but it happened rightly or wrongly they've apologized limply but have, so time to move on,
Personally I don't believe Ashton will get away with this but the owners won't want to rock any further chances of promotion, |
There we go again with the emotional blackmail.
'If we don't stop complaining about Ashton, we won't beat Birmingham'.
The two are mutually exclusive. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:13 - Apr 2 with 517 views | breezy_runner |
Spot on my friend! | | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:17 - Apr 2 with 510 views | grow_our_own |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:57 - Apr 2 by Churchman |
So you’d rather see the majority of 562 employees out of a job, no community stuff, no anything beyond raffles to keep the club going, hand to mouth, in front of a few 1000 people as long as it’s ‘morally unimpeachable’. That’s how it is in the Conference as evidenced by a work colleague who happened to be a Director of Lincoln City when they were there.
Given the club has employed players with tags, one chased by debt collectors and drunk drivers aplenty, one of whom was a cult hero, I’m not sure where the moral unimpeachability in that is. They came and went, just as the CEO will.
In terms of morality, if there ever was any in professional football I’d happily argue that died first when shared gate receipts ended and later when the deeply selfish and immoral premier league was created.
I get the impression you and many others define the club as Ashton. He might think so too for all I know. It really isn’t any more than defining those that don’t go after Ashton with pitchforks and flaming torches as Reform supporters. I’d be more than happy to tell him that to his face too. He’s just an employee.
It’s all about time and place if people want to protest. Ashton and (disliked by many and he knows it) McKenna will be long gone before the leaves fall regardless. I’d rather they went with us trousering PL money than not and besides, none of this is the players fault.
The team deserve support and quite frankly inside the football ground on a match day is no place for politics or hatred in my opinion. |
Opposing politicisation of our club & blatant lying to all and sundry = hatred. That's a world-class leap Churchman. Have you thought about entering your name for the GB olympic team?
Given the lack of upvotes for Zx1988's opinion, it's not a widely held view. You jumped on the easiest opinion to oppose anyway. By your rationale, we should never call for the removal of anyone in the club ever again during matches. A player who transgresses is very different from the CEO and figurehead of the entire club.
Support the boys, support removing Ashton. [Post edited 2 Apr 17:19]
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:28 - Apr 2 with 482 views | positivity |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:03 - Apr 2 by ZedRodgers |
This is the most nonsensical post I’ve seen all week. |
oh, it's a long way short of that! pretty mad though... | |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:37 - Apr 2 with 460 views | homer_123 |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:34 - Apr 2 by Illinoisblue |
Fair. Respect it. But this is football. Good luck finding the morally unimpeachable club to follow. |
Does that mean we should accept the status quo?
Should we not strive to be and do better? |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:43 - Apr 2 with 451 views | Freddies_Ears |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:06 - Apr 2 by homer_123 |
With respect. I have no wish to derail the club I love and have supported for over 50 years.
I do have a wish that we conduct ourselves, as a Club, in the manner of those values, behaviours and ethos as a Club that we publicise. I do not wish for the Club to have success at any cost.
How we are successful is as important as any success we have.
Again, that is my view and my position but I repeat, I have no interest in derailing the Club. [Post edited 2 Apr 16:07]
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Indeed. That appears to be Ashton's job.
Support the team, yes, of course. But that does not mean supporting the Chairman who lied, hid and cried crocodile tears. | | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:54 - Apr 2 with 416 views | NederlandseBlue |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:57 - Apr 2 by Churchman |
So you’d rather see the majority of 562 employees out of a job, no community stuff, no anything beyond raffles to keep the club going, hand to mouth, in front of a few 1000 people as long as it’s ‘morally unimpeachable’. That’s how it is in the Conference as evidenced by a work colleague who happened to be a Director of Lincoln City when they were there.
Given the club has employed players with tags, one chased by debt collectors and drunk drivers aplenty, one of whom was a cult hero, I’m not sure where the moral unimpeachability in that is. They came and went, just as the CEO will.
In terms of morality, if there ever was any in professional football I’d happily argue that died first when shared gate receipts ended and later when the deeply selfish and immoral premier league was created.
I get the impression you and many others define the club as Ashton. He might think so too for all I know. It really isn’t any more than defining those that don’t go after Ashton with pitchforks and flaming torches as Reform supporters. I’d be more than happy to tell him that to his face too. He’s just an employee.
It’s all about time and place if people want to protest. Ashton and (disliked by many and he knows it) McKenna will be long gone before the leaves fall regardless. I’d rather they went with us trousering PL money than not and besides, none of this is the players fault.
The team deserve support and quite frankly inside the football ground on a match day is no place for politics or hatred in my opinion. |
Where is this - "(disliked by many and he knows it) McKenna" - coming from? | |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:58 - Apr 2 with 429 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I think people should support the team on Monday, but there is only one person responsible for the division at the club and that's Ashton.
I think Ashton should go, and hopefully he will. His non apology was embarrassing.
Fairplay to Ashton for offering KM a job before anyone else did, but Sam Morsy and Gamechanger were arguably more responsible for driving the change.
COYB. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:59 - Apr 2 with 388 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:12 - Apr 2 by Zx1988 |
If we were given a binary choice between promotion, or Ashton resigning/being sacked, I'd choose the latter every day of the week.
It's not even a challenging decision. |
Well that was a load of hypothetical nonsense.
Its not a binary choice. | |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:03 - Apr 2 with 381 views | ReusersTown |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:58 - Apr 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think people should support the team on Monday, but there is only one person responsible for the division at the club and that's Ashton.
I think Ashton should go, and hopefully he will. His non apology was embarrassing.
Fairplay to Ashton for offering KM a job before anyone else did, but Sam Morsy and Gamechanger were arguably more responsible for driving the change.
COYB. |
He's really managed to do a number on a lot on here it seems, never thought people were actually believing all his bluster. | | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:04 - Apr 2 with 378 views | mistert |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 16:57 - Apr 2 by Churchman |
So you’d rather see the majority of 562 employees out of a job, no community stuff, no anything beyond raffles to keep the club going, hand to mouth, in front of a few 1000 people as long as it’s ‘morally unimpeachable’. That’s how it is in the Conference as evidenced by a work colleague who happened to be a Director of Lincoln City when they were there.
Given the club has employed players with tags, one chased by debt collectors and drunk drivers aplenty, one of whom was a cult hero, I’m not sure where the moral unimpeachability in that is. They came and went, just as the CEO will.
In terms of morality, if there ever was any in professional football I’d happily argue that died first when shared gate receipts ended and later when the deeply selfish and immoral premier league was created.
I get the impression you and many others define the club as Ashton. He might think so too for all I know. It really isn’t any more than defining those that don’t go after Ashton with pitchforks and flaming torches as Reform supporters. I’d be more than happy to tell him that to his face too. He’s just an employee.
It’s all about time and place if people want to protest. Ashton and (disliked by many and he knows it) McKenna will be long gone before the leaves fall regardless. I’d rather they went with us trousering PL money than not and besides, none of this is the players fault.
The team deserve support and quite frankly inside the football ground on a match day is no place for politics or hatred in my opinion. |
Better the devil you know in my opinion. This whole episode has highlighted Ashton's shortcomings but in terms of his track record up to now we have a lot to be thankful for.
Yes, it was a pretty monumental cock up but it's only peoples feelings that have been indirectly hurt. I don't want to diminish the hurt people have felt that but promotion would bring tangible benefits to peoples lives.
Sacking Ashton now would cause another distraction and more uncertainty. If the owners aren't happy with his performance they'll replace him in their own time when it's in the best interests of the club. I'd rather leave it to them to decide instead of having him sacked to appease a section of supporters. [Post edited 2 Apr 18:09]
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:07 - Apr 2 with 359 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Was this sarcasm then?
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:17 - Apr 2 with 322 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 15:58 - Apr 2 by Zx1988 |
This is the Mark Ashton equivalent of when we were told that the succession period between Liz and Charles was not the appropriate point to have a discussion about the future of the monarchy.
As another poster has said, this is just emotional blackmail from Ashton/the club along the lines of 'if you protest against Ashton, we won't get promoted'.
I'd much rather have Ashton out, and run the risk of not getting promoted. |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:18 - Apr 2 with 321 views | J2BLUE |
He's desperate for this drama to continue. So obviously getting off on it. He was gutted Squires didn't go on the attack. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:25 - Apr 2 with 296 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:18 - Apr 2 by J2BLUE |
He's desperate for this drama to continue. So obviously getting off on it. He was gutted Squires didn't go on the attack. |
For a bunch of fans that have had a hard time ever criticizing a single decision the club has made or deal we’ve done in recent years they’ve gone full 180 because of poor decision making and PR disaster by our chairman. To coin a phrase, this is now only really now being given oxygen by a subsection of our fanbase. The players deserve better, a lot better!
Doesn’t mean it’s just forgotten but the owners will sort it and the structure one way or another in the summer anyway. Back the team or just stay away so hopefully someone else can. [Post edited 2 Apr 18:26]
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:28 - Apr 2 with 270 views | Churchman |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:17 - Apr 2 by grow_our_own |
Opposing politicisation of our club & blatant lying to all and sundry = hatred. That's a world-class leap Churchman. Have you thought about entering your name for the GB olympic team?
Given the lack of upvotes for Zx1988's opinion, it's not a widely held view. You jumped on the easiest opinion to oppose anyway. By your rationale, we should never call for the removal of anyone in the club ever again during matches. A player who transgresses is very different from the CEO and figurehead of the entire club.
Support the boys, support removing Ashton. [Post edited 2 Apr 17:19]
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No, I don’t think we should call for removal of people during games. There are other ways, times and places. I can think of one exception - if the players don’t try. I’ve seen that twice over the years and went nuts with the best of them over it.
To suggest Ashton is any more than a player or a receptionist is to give him or any other employee more credence than they deserve. I actually paid money to see the likes of Bowyer play (and I can guess where he might put his cross, if he can work out which end of the pencil to use) far more than I’ve ever clapped eyes on Ashton. I’d rather not see either, but the club and team comes first.
I’ll tell you what I think the club is. When I walk up the stairs in the ground, I always shake hands with the smiling steward, ask him how he is and sometimes a short chat if it’s a quiet time. I watch him help mobility impaired people to their seat, strangers to theirs etc, always with a smile. He will be there after MA is gone, hopefully. He is far more the club than the bloke with the latest beard trimmer and bamboo coffee cup. They are the football club if anyone is and between 3pm to 5pm I want the best for the team, the crowd from children to crusties like me to the smiling steward. Trying to wreck that feels wrong to me. But hey, each to their own.
I’ve made my views on the CEO perfectly clear so I won’t repeat. In any case does anyone seriously thinks the Americans will sit on their hands on this? That is a country where if you don’t pay your mortgage for two weeks you are out on your ear. Firing people is a more normal stigma free than it is here, from what I’ve read.
They will make changes, I suspect when they think this timing is right and when they have a replacement or two. They need a Chairman and a CEO.
And yes, I’d love to be in the Olympic Team, but I’m not sure there’s any room for an old, unfit, talentless git like me. I’m not even sure I could compete in the Olympic drinking contest these days. | | | |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:29 - Apr 2 with 267 views | Illinoisblue |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 17:37 - Apr 2 by homer_123 |
Does that mean we should accept the status quo?
Should we not strive to be and do better? |
I’ve said multiple times Ashton should go. Been very clear on that. But to put his position as more important than the future of the club is absurd. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:30 - Apr 2 with 265 views | positivity |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:25 - Apr 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
For a bunch of fans that have had a hard time ever criticizing a single decision the club has made or deal we’ve done in recent years they’ve gone full 180 because of poor decision making and PR disaster by our chairman. To coin a phrase, this is now only really now being given oxygen by a subsection of our fanbase. The players deserve better, a lot better!
Doesn’t mean it’s just forgotten but the owners will sort it and the structure one way or another in the summer anyway. Back the team or just stay away so hopefully someone else can. [Post edited 2 Apr 18:26]
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the really weird ones are those who spent their entire time dissing ashton and mckenna, then decide he must stay.
only thing that has changed is that he met a quasi-fascist, lied about it, tried to cover it up and then ran away from adversity and left mckenna to face the press.
very odd characters! | |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:32 - Apr 2 with 235 views | grow_our_own |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:25 - Apr 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
For a bunch of fans that have had a hard time ever criticizing a single decision the club has made or deal we’ve done in recent years they’ve gone full 180 because of poor decision making and PR disaster by our chairman. To coin a phrase, this is now only really now being given oxygen by a subsection of our fanbase. The players deserve better, a lot better!
Doesn’t mean it’s just forgotten but the owners will sort it and the structure one way or another in the summer anyway. Back the team or just stay away so hopefully someone else can. [Post edited 2 Apr 18:26]
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"subsection" - it's a big majority. Arounds two thirds:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
And no, it's not because we're a hotbed of left-wingers:
https://www.twtd.co.uk/members
Support the boys, support removing Ashton. [Post edited 2 Apr 18:34]
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:32 - Apr 2 with 233 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:30 - Apr 2 by positivity |
the really weird ones are those who spent their entire time dissing ashton and mckenna, then decide he must stay.
only thing that has changed is that he met a quasi-fascist, lied about it, tried to cover it up and then ran away from adversity and left mckenna to face the press.
very odd characters! |
Reading isn’t really your strong point is it.
Shouldn’t you be at home making your banner anyway, | |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:33 - Apr 2 with 230 views | TheMoralMajority |
| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:29 - Apr 2 by Illinoisblue |
I’ve said multiple times Ashton should go. Been very clear on that. But to put his position as more important than the future of the club is absurd. |
In fairness to Zx, he did say that this was just his view, and others may not agree. I'm pretty sure he is not advocating that the standing of the club must suffer until MA goes. However, focusing on that particular position, from one particular poster also pushes this into a binary argument which I don't think this is, and I don't think is helpful.
Just imho. |  |
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| 'Ashton out chants' on 18:34 - Apr 2 with 224 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I said fanbase not people registered on TWTD, have fun at your protest. | |
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