| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team 07:39 - Apr 3 with 2359 views | muccletonjoe |
After 10 days of senseless debate, the whole Farage situation is festering in the hands of opposing political viewpoints.
Absolutely nothing I can do to change that here, all I can say is those views existed before Ashton decided to make them public, they were there but we didn't bring them to Portman road with us , any more than we did our work, or family problems.
I know there are now people on both sides who will not let this go, but the bottom line is , you are not going to change peoples politcal views it is what it is, we all go to the ground for one reason, all we can do is concentrate on that , no matter how aggrieved we feel , I can guarantee it will not be solved inside a football ground, anymore than it should be brought there in the first place. As supporters we have to accept we are together because of the team, and tolerate the fact that it might be all we have in common. There really is no other way to move on from this. |  | | |  |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 07:55 - Apr 3 with 1728 views | Keno |
As I’ve said a few times it isn’t the politics I have an issue with.
My issue is that the ceo/chairman allowed the PR stunts, then lied about it, then issued a meaningless apology and has since run away from adversity |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:15 - Apr 3 with 1668 views | homer_123 |
It's not and never has been about Politics. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:44 - Apr 3 with 1588 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
As much as many on one side of the argument want to make this about supporters' politics, it never has been. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:51 - Apr 3 with 1561 views | bazza |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:15 - Apr 3 by homer_123 |
It's not and never has been about Politics. |
Utter nonsense, this all boils down to the fact it was farage and his political views , (bar one or two who already hated Ashton) people Should just be honest about it. They are all calling for honesty from Ashton. There’s No shame in hating farage. The fact Ashton tried to lie about what happened just added fuel To the already raging inferno. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:01 - Apr 3 with 1515 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:51 - Apr 3 by bazza |
Utter nonsense, this all boils down to the fact it was farage and his political views , (bar one or two who already hated Ashton) people Should just be honest about it. They are all calling for honesty from Ashton. There’s No shame in hating farage. The fact Ashton tried to lie about what happened just added fuel To the already raging inferno. |
Check my comment history, as much as I hate Farage, if Reform want to book a tour of the club then that's fine, the fault in all of this is how Ashton and the club have acted and enabled. Tbh you Reform types are just hiding behind this to make it easier for you to get your football fix and pretend everything is OK. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:07 - Apr 3 with 1474 views | bazza |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:01 - Apr 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Check my comment history, as much as I hate Farage, if Reform want to book a tour of the club then that's fine, the fault in all of this is how Ashton and the club have acted and enabled. Tbh you Reform types are just hiding behind this to make it easier for you to get your football fix and pretend everything is OK. |
Reform type? I’ve never said I vote reform. Don’t spread misinformation, I’m just sick of reading people’s horse poo about it not being about politics. Just be honest, say it as it is, imo it was a monumental balls up inviting him to the club, because of the political views he holds , and drawn unwanted attention to the club.
Edit, I’d just rather we all left it alone for 4 weeks and dealt with it after the season ends, or for the club to come out and back or sack Ashton, and put it all too bed, so we can concentrate on the football, and getting behind the team. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:10]
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:12 - Apr 3 with 1449 views | StokieBlue |
The real problem is that many fans aren't listening to what the fans who have concerns are actually saying.
Your post is a clear example. Most have said the lying is a huge issue but you've not even mentioned it. You're not the first and you won't be the last but it's annoying that people don't seem to be engaging with the actual concerns.
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:21 - Apr 3 with 1400 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:44 - Apr 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
As much as many on one side of the argument want to make this about supporters' politics, it never has been. |
But it’s not only one (politically leaning) side is it.
I’ve avoided getting involved in the Ashton in/out debate precisely because so many on this forum and elsewhere have made it all about politics (I’m not saying you have, and it’s not everyone - but it’s a significant number of browbeating people on both sides of the debate), when it should be nothing about politics.
If I say I’m in favour of Ashton going, I’m a Reform/Farage-supporting fascist.
If I say I’m in favour of Ashton staying, I’m a woke lefty.
As much as many posters want to deny it, this situation is massively influenced by the politics involved for a lot of those debating it. I’m not even going to post my reasoned thinking on the situation, for fear of it being leapt on and twisted into an inferred political leaning. |  | | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:25 - Apr 3 with 1380 views | thebooks |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 08:15 - Apr 3 by homer_123 |
It's not and never has been about Politics. |
TBH, I think that’s clearly wishful thinking.
Meeting Nigel Farage and allowing him to use the club to promote Reform *is* obviously a political action.
We can try and separate the lying about it all and say that’s the issue (and of course, Ashton should have been removed because of that), but that doesn’t get rid of the politics, no matter how much we might want to brush that aside.
It has two political effects:
- It’ll embolden the far-right element of our support as they’ll see this as a test of how much it can get away with
- It continues to make the far-right (and I would argue fascism) “normal”. The modern consequences of this are playing out in Russia and the US.
Sometimes you have to make a choice rather than just shut up about it. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:27 - Apr 3 with 1370 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:07 - Apr 3 by bazza |
Reform type? I’ve never said I vote reform. Don’t spread misinformation, I’m just sick of reading people’s horse poo about it not being about politics. Just be honest, say it as it is, imo it was a monumental balls up inviting him to the club, because of the political views he holds , and drawn unwanted attention to the club.
Edit, I’d just rather we all left it alone for 4 weeks and dealt with it after the season ends, or for the club to come out and back or sack Ashton, and put it all too bed, so we can concentrate on the football, and getting behind the team. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:10]
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Believe me I'd love to concentrate on the football...they need to announce he will be gone now so we can all have the united fan base we all want to get us over the line. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:27 - Apr 3 with 1370 views | BlueForYou |
It's not festering in my head & it never did. Get over yourself! |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:29 - Apr 3 with 1368 views | TownieRob |
I’ve stayed out of this for a week or so now. To me, it looks like there are a few different reasons why people are annoyed. Some are saying it’s about the 'lies', while others are clearly reacting to differences in political views.
Personally, my view is that both points need a bit of perspective. If you’re upset because a CEO/ chairman has lied to you, then I’d say that’s unfortunately part of the reality at that level in any business for that matter, it happens more often than people like to admit, especially when people are under pressure.
On the political side, people also need to recognise that strong opinions exist from 'both sides'..Some feel just as strongly about Farage as others do about Polanski or Keir. Some might not see them as equally divisive as Farage, but others do, and that’s the nature of opinion and having a different view from someone doesn’t make either side 'thick' and everyone has their own reasons for thinking the way they do.
I agree with the OP, whatever’s gone on, we all need to get behind the team now. No excuses, just get behind them and crack on. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:30]
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:30 - Apr 3 with 1358 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:01 - Apr 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Check my comment history, as much as I hate Farage, if Reform want to book a tour of the club then that's fine, the fault in all of this is how Ashton and the club have acted and enabled. Tbh you Reform types are just hiding behind this to make it easier for you to get your football fix and pretend everything is OK. |
And there you go, right on cue - the perfect example of making it about politics.
” Tbh you Reform types are…” | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:32 - Apr 3 with 1341 views | bsw72 |
Frankly I’m bored of it all. There are more than 2 sides.
There are people who are angry about the fact it was Farage and think it’s about the club being used in a political stunt.
There are people who accept people have different political views but are angry at how the club and Ashton managed, explained and apologised after the fall out and want Ashton out as a result, because of how they now see the club perceived in the media and the lack of trust in mgmt at their club.
There are those who are angry about both of the above but just want to move on as they accept that stuff like this goes on at all kinds of organisations.
There are those who were angry but the constant infighting and campaigning to get Ashton out has started to wind them up more than the original issue and just want to move on.
There are those who have just been waiting for Ashton to screw up to support their campaign against him for their own reasons.
There are those who actually just shrugged it off at the time and still are not hugely bothered.
There are those who never paid any attention to it.
People are welcome to their opinions but the view that it’s just a binary type issue with only 2 positions and outcomes is very simplified.
Like I said, I’m bored of it all and just want to watch my team play football. |  | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:34 - Apr 3 with 1319 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:30 - Apr 3 by SuffolkPunchFC |
And there you go, right on cue - the perfect example of making it about politics.
” Tbh you Reform types are…” |
But it clearly is Reform types pushing that angle the most, just being honest! | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:41 - Apr 3 with 1280 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:29 - Apr 3 by TownieRob |
I’ve stayed out of this for a week or so now. To me, it looks like there are a few different reasons why people are annoyed. Some are saying it’s about the 'lies', while others are clearly reacting to differences in political views.
Personally, my view is that both points need a bit of perspective. If you’re upset because a CEO/ chairman has lied to you, then I’d say that’s unfortunately part of the reality at that level in any business for that matter, it happens more often than people like to admit, especially when people are under pressure.
On the political side, people also need to recognise that strong opinions exist from 'both sides'..Some feel just as strongly about Farage as others do about Polanski or Keir. Some might not see them as equally divisive as Farage, but others do, and that’s the nature of opinion and having a different view from someone doesn’t make either side 'thick' and everyone has their own reasons for thinking the way they do.
I agree with the OP, whatever’s gone on, we all need to get behind the team now. No excuses, just get behind them and crack on. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:30]
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Farage is a massive racist though, which is a bit different to the other people you mention. [Post edited 3 Apr 9:42]
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:42 - Apr 3 with 1271 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:34 - Apr 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But it clearly is Reform types pushing that angle the most, just being honest! |
As someone who has mostly observed on this debate, I don’t agree with that opinion - I see political snipes coming from both sides. Regardless of that, despite your assertion of it not being influenced by the politics, with that statement you’ve brought politics into it. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:45 - Apr 3 with 1243 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:42 - Apr 3 by SuffolkPunchFC |
As someone who has mostly observed on this debate, I don’t agree with that opinion - I see political snipes coming from both sides. Regardless of that, despite your assertion of it not being influenced by the politics, with that statement you’ve brought politics into it. |
Well of course as individuals we have our politics which shape our reactions but the issue we are responding to is not overtly political, it is about appalling judgement regardless of the party involved.
Ashton out. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 09:48 - Apr 3 with 1221 views | Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t about politics it is about the club allowing itself to be used for political purposes.
Whether Ashton encouraged it or was taken advantage of was unimportant. I say was because our Chairman lied to each and every one of us, presumably because he wasn’t man enough to admit to a serious error of misjudgement.
He tried to apologise without bruising hie ego. Had he just been CEO then whoever was Chairman would have stepped in, issued a full apology and slapped his CEO’s wrists.
End of story. But no he has made his position untenable.
As for fans comments, attitudes , there can be no winners so STFU and support Kieran, his coaching staff and all players. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 with 1157 views | lazyblue |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 07:55 - Apr 3 by Keno |
As I’ve said a few times it isn’t the politics I have an issue with.
My issue is that the ceo/chairman allowed the PR stunts, then lied about it, then issued a meaningless apology and has since run away from adversity |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. | | | |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:07 - Apr 3 with 1143 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
Perfect timing...cheers! | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:30 - Apr 3 with 1071 views | ghostofescobar |
I think the debates about why everyone is so angry have been well trodden. I disagree with what happened, vehemently, but me going on about it isn’t going to add much to this thread. What I would say is that this has been the absolute perfect example of what Farage does, and will continue to do I.e. stoke division for his own ends. He could not have had a more perfect day. Get free PR, check. Get made to feel important, check. Stoke hate, division, pit people, who would normally be together, against each other, check. Blame the furore on the left and link that to all the wider problems in the country, check. Walk away and leave the mess for someone else to clear up, check. The club, Ashton, us, all this plays in to that lunatics hands. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:56 - Apr 3 with 1025 views | Garv |
Sort of my view. People can say the club/Ashton have divided the fanbase, but there's a large element of people letting themselves become divided.
You don't have to lean into it. |  |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:59 - Apr 3 with 1008 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:30 - Apr 3 by ghostofescobar |
I think the debates about why everyone is so angry have been well trodden. I disagree with what happened, vehemently, but me going on about it isn’t going to add much to this thread. What I would say is that this has been the absolute perfect example of what Farage does, and will continue to do I.e. stoke division for his own ends. He could not have had a more perfect day. Get free PR, check. Get made to feel important, check. Stoke hate, division, pit people, who would normally be together, against each other, check. Blame the furore on the left and link that to all the wider problems in the country, check. Walk away and leave the mess for someone else to clear up, check. The club, Ashton, us, all this plays in to that lunatics hands. |
Ashton Out. | |
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| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 11:13 - Apr 3 with 962 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have been split into two sets of supporters of the same team on 10:02 - Apr 3 by lazyblue |
It was mainly politics as many don’t like Farage, personally I don’t mind sone of his ideas as country is becoming lawless. Then one or two don’t line Ashton ( for some reason) and we’re glad of an excuse to dive in .
Just hope fans cone to some sense over weekend and get back to ipswich Town the football team and don’t ruin the afternoon for the rest of us. |
1. What do you mean by the country becoming lawless? How is it any worse than it's always been?
2. In what way is Farage going to solve your perceived problem? | |
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