| IF we get promoted to clarify 21:44 - Apr 26 with 3274 views | hunty21 |
Will Cajuste and Akpom and Kipre automatically be signed or is there a clause that they needed to have played so many games for it to become mandatory. Just out of curiosity as cant imagine akpom or cajuste will feature much for us next season |  | | |  |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 21:49 - Apr 26 with 2895 views | Bellevue_Blue |
We won't know the real in depth contract details until after the season. None of it beyond 'obligation to purchase if promoted' for Akpom & Cajuste were made public.
Kipre was only ever an option. Reims confirmed there is an option to buy at the end of the season, according to French media reports for €4.5 million (£3.9 million) should the Blues return to the Premier League.
I think Cajuste would feature more next season if he was to join. Clearly suited to the PL more. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 21:52 - Apr 26 with 2877 views | Esseeja |
TWTD's reports of the confirmation of these signings included information that all 3 deals had 'obligations' to sign all 3 players IF we get promoted to the premier league.
Cajuste for £5.6m,
Akpom for £7m,
Kipre for £3.9m, I believe this was an option.
Kipre aside, you'd hope there was something about games played, or them all being an option, otherwise it doesn't look great. [Post edited 26 Apr 21:53]
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:01 - Apr 26 with 2795 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 21:49 - Apr 26 by Bellevue_Blue |
We won't know the real in depth contract details until after the season. None of it beyond 'obligation to purchase if promoted' for Akpom & Cajuste were made public.
Kipre was only ever an option. Reims confirmed there is an option to buy at the end of the season, according to French media reports for €4.5 million (£3.9 million) should the Blues return to the Premier League.
I think Cajuste would feature more next season if he was to join. Clearly suited to the PL more. |
Kippers is an obligation as well, I think they all are;
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/2 |  | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:06 - Apr 26 with 2770 views | itfcsuth |
Mandatory on all.
Akpom obviously the really curious case, although suspect if he signed permanently he would be moved on pretty swiftly, probably back to the Championship.
Kipre has been strong, and Cajuste was the one who looked like he belonged in the PL, whether it suited him more so than Championship football, possibly, he looked every bit a Premier League footballer last season. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:37]
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:10 - Apr 26 with 2735 views | J2BLUE |
Suspect we will get out of all of them except Kipre who has earnt his place.
If Akpom is £6m and another club is prepared to pay £3m we will likely pay the other £3m to move on.
I'm sure there are deals to be done. |  |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:19 - Apr 26 with 2654 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Oh weird, I was going off what Phil reported back in the summer when he stated Reims confirmed it was an option.
That's another one I'd be trying to get out of. With the form he's shown in the past 3/4 months he would get absolutely taken apart by PL strikers.
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:25 - Apr 26 with 2583 views | andyblue231 |
I think you pay a fee to get out of the obligation or move them on immediately. A lot of exits.
Palmer
Townsend
Kipre
Baggott
Neil
Cajuste
Burns
Chaplin
Ogbene
Szmodics
Azon
Akpom
Young
Clean slate. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:30 - Apr 26 with 2529 views | Nutkins_Return |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 21:52 - Apr 26 by Esseeja |
TWTD's reports of the confirmation of these signings included information that all 3 deals had 'obligations' to sign all 3 players IF we get promoted to the premier league.
Cajuste for £5.6m,
Akpom for £7m,
Kipre for £3.9m, I believe this was an option.
Kipre aside, you'd hope there was something about games played, or them all being an option, otherwise it doesn't look great. [Post edited 26 Apr 21:53]
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Of all of those I actually would be fine with Cajuste mainly because that's still decent value for his age and profile. There would be resale value to a degree which I don't see with the others.
Cajuste has the talent but has had a poor season. | |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 05:13 - Apr 27 with 2136 views | franz_tyson |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:06 - Apr 26 by itfcsuth |
Mandatory on all.
Akpom obviously the really curious case, although suspect if he signed permanently he would be moved on pretty swiftly, probably back to the Championship.
Kipre has been strong, and Cajuste was the one who looked like he belonged in the PL, whether it suited him more so than Championship football, possibly, he looked every bit a Premier League footballer last season. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:37]
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Apart from the fact he didn't offer most of what a deep-lying CM should be doing ie defensive qualities and any kind of physicality and all-round game. He had a couple of nice tricks. And 1 goal and 1 assist all season. He was an attractive looking player in a losing side.
Poor old Morsy had to deal alone with the dirty work whilst our fans showered Cajuste with praise with a pirouette or dropped shoulder. The bar was seriously lowered last season because it was a miserable experience... and Cajuste benefited.
If Cajuste was every inch a PL player... he'd have been snapped up by a PL team. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 06:20 - Apr 27 with 2019 views | Blue_Heath |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 05:13 - Apr 27 by franz_tyson |
Apart from the fact he didn't offer most of what a deep-lying CM should be doing ie defensive qualities and any kind of physicality and all-round game. He had a couple of nice tricks. And 1 goal and 1 assist all season. He was an attractive looking player in a losing side.
Poor old Morsy had to deal alone with the dirty work whilst our fans showered Cajuste with praise with a pirouette or dropped shoulder. The bar was seriously lowered last season because it was a miserable experience... and Cajuste benefited.
If Cajuste was every inch a PL player... he'd have been snapped up by a PL team. |
Totally agree, he's been courted by a few PL teams but no one bought him. If he can't get off our bench in this league he's not a premier league player.
His neat beat 2/3 men trick and turn made him look good in a very drab season but ultimately he can't play 90 mins, goes missing and does little to affect the game.
There's a good footballer in there somewhere though. [Post edited 27 Apr 6:20]
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 07:08 - Apr 27 with 1805 views | Clutch |
You would definitely want Cajuste next year, not sure why people say we wouldn’t.
Akpom however, I think they would try to get out of that. |  | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 08:04 - Apr 27 with 1576 views | OldFart71 |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:25 - Apr 26 by andyblue231 |
I think you pay a fee to get out of the obligation or move them on immediately. A lot of exits.
Palmer
Townsend
Kipre
Baggott
Neil
Cajuste
Burns
Chaplin
Ogbene
Szmodics
Azon
Akpom
Young
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Out of those I might keep Azon and Kipre. I am somewhat confused with the Baggott situation. He doesn't play yet he has been kept on for three seasons as a fringe player.
Sadly Burns and Chappers have to go. Chappers because he's not good enough and Burns due to age and injuries.
Szmodics will I suspect go to a Championship side. Akpom and Cajuste wouldn't be anywhere near a Premier league side that I run.
You missed Ali off your list who i suspect they will try to move on.
Young I would think will retire and become a coach and a manager some day.
Neil is an enigma, not wanted by Sunderland and hasn't done it for us.
Ogbene ?
I think we would need to sign a top goalie and Walton as number two. Muric will probably be sold. I think the fee was around 10 million ? | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 08:05 - Apr 27 with 1566 views | southnorfolkblue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:06 - Apr 26 by itfcsuth |
Mandatory on all.
Akpom obviously the really curious case, although suspect if he signed permanently he would be moved on pretty swiftly, probably back to the Championship.
Kipre has been strong, and Cajuste was the one who looked like he belonged in the PL, whether it suited him more so than Championship football, possibly, he looked every bit a Premier League footballer last season. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:37]
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What was it last season. 1 goal and 1 assist (happy to stand corrected on that)? He's not an effective defensive midfielder either.
We need much better than that. | |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 08:44 - Apr 27 with 1468 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 07:08 - Apr 27 by Clutch |
You would definitely want Cajuste next year, not sure why people say we wouldn’t.
Akpom however, I think they would try to get out of that. |
Absolutely. Jens has already proven himself capable of playing at the level. I can only assume there is some kind of change in the finances once he goes past a certain number of games.
Akpom has been disappointing considering he has a lot of experience at this level. |  |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 09:26 - Apr 27 with 1371 views | Radlett_blue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 07:08 - Apr 27 by Clutch |
You would definitely want Cajuste next year, not sure why people say we wouldn’t.
Akpom however, I think they would try to get out of that. |
Cajuste hasn't started a League game since January. He's been fit enough to be on the bench so the fact that McKenna signed Neil effectively to replace him says all you need to know about him. If we have an obligation to but him, we will sell him or loan him out.
The PL is arguably faster & more physically intense than the Championship so the notion that Cajuste will be more suited to it is strange. The only thing in his favour is that the ball will spend a lot more time on the ground, but he'll be doing the chasing. |  |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 09:44 - Apr 27 with 1302 views | Len_Brennan |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:06 - Apr 26 by itfcsuth |
Mandatory on all.
Akpom obviously the really curious case, although suspect if he signed permanently he would be moved on pretty swiftly, probably back to the Championship.
Kipre has been strong, and Cajuste was the one who looked like he belonged in the PL, whether it suited him more so than Championship football, possibly, he looked every bit a Premier League footballer last season. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:37]
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I'm sure there are clauses & sub-clauses in all these contract that mean it's not as black & white as they have to become permanent Ipswich players if we get promoted.
I can't imagine that either Akpom or Cajuste will fancy staying here after the season they have just had, in the knowledge that they will, no doubt, get even less playing time next season, while they are in their footballing prime. Whatever about our deals with Ajax & Napoli, they themselves will have a say surely, and presumably would have to be in agreement to a permanent move? | |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 09:45 - Apr 27 with 1301 views | ParisBlue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 22:25 - Apr 26 by andyblue231 |
I think you pay a fee to get out of the obligation or move them on immediately. A lot of exits.
Palmer
Townsend
Kipre
Baggott
Neil
Cajuste
Burns
Chaplin
Ogbene
Szmodics
Azon
Akpom
Young
Clean slate. |
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Ali Al-Hamidi likely to be back, pretty sure the obligation to Luton had clauses which are unlikely to have been met.
Cameron Humphreys also out of contract, though we have an option for another year. |  |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 10:48 - Apr 27 with 1163 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 09:45 - Apr 27 by ParisBlue |
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Ali Al-Hamidi likely to be back, pretty sure the obligation to Luton had clauses which are unlikely to have been met.
Cameron Humphreys also out of contract, though we have an option for another year. |
EADT reported that the Al Hamidi signing was an obligation. Does not sound like there was very much wiggle room.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/2 | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:04 - Apr 27 with 1093 views | _CliveBaker_ |
£3m package is wild, I wonder how much of that is contingent on various criteria being hit? Probably a decent chunk.
FWIW I don't buy the suggestion of getting out of any of these, I think we'll sign all 3 of them. Kipre is a solid, experienced option, at a good age and a fair market value.
Cajuste might not be fancied, but he's at an age where he'll either get more of an opportunity or we'll find a home for him. Perhaps out on loan abroad with a fee with a view to selling him next summer. Akpom is the biggest problem given the size of the fee, but another one we could no doubt get out on loan somewhere and hope he puts himself in a shop window sufficiently to claw back as much as possible. There will be interest from the Championship.
Not an ideal situation, but de-risking these in a way where they're only contingent if we have PL incomes made sense at the time and still does. I wouldn't think being committed to spend £15m on those 3 is the end of the world by premier league standards, even on a bad day I can see us getting a chunk of that back from somewhere if we choose to.
There will be loads of departures in the summer, you've got all those out of contract (Young, Townsend, Burns, Chaplin, Harry Clarke, Button) plus the loanees Azon & Neil. A few we'll get some money for as well - Szmodics, Muric, Al-Hamadi, Ogbene, Humphreys, Baggott. That's 12 + 2 loanees by my math, 13/14 with Akpom and Cajuste on top.
While not perfect, its not a bad position to be in. We're not saddled with loads of big earners on long deals or having key players out of contract. Would leave us with the 'core' 16 or so which we would need to add 8 - 10 to of real quality. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:25 - Apr 27 with 999 views | GavTWTD |
Assuming all are mandatory, have personal terms all been agreed too then? What if we offer them 5k/w and a packet of wotsits? I assume personal terms have been agreed up front too? |  |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:34 - Apr 27 with 954 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:25 - Apr 27 by GavTWTD |
Assuming all are mandatory, have personal terms all been agreed too then? What if we offer them 5k/w and a packet of wotsits? I assume personal terms have been agreed up front too? |
Yeah those contracts are agreed at the start. Otherwise it makes a bit of a mockery of the obligation. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:42 - Apr 27 with 933 views | GavTWTD |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:34 - Apr 27 by _CliveBaker_ |
Yeah those contracts are agreed at the start. Otherwise it makes a bit of a mockery of the obligation. |
You would think there should also be an appearance clause in there too. That would make more sense. At least the club would have some control then. | |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:43 - Apr 27 with 920 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:04 - Apr 27 by _CliveBaker_ |
£3m package is wild, I wonder how much of that is contingent on various criteria being hit? Probably a decent chunk.
FWIW I don't buy the suggestion of getting out of any of these, I think we'll sign all 3 of them. Kipre is a solid, experienced option, at a good age and a fair market value.
Cajuste might not be fancied, but he's at an age where he'll either get more of an opportunity or we'll find a home for him. Perhaps out on loan abroad with a fee with a view to selling him next summer. Akpom is the biggest problem given the size of the fee, but another one we could no doubt get out on loan somewhere and hope he puts himself in a shop window sufficiently to claw back as much as possible. There will be interest from the Championship.
Not an ideal situation, but de-risking these in a way where they're only contingent if we have PL incomes made sense at the time and still does. I wouldn't think being committed to spend £15m on those 3 is the end of the world by premier league standards, even on a bad day I can see us getting a chunk of that back from somewhere if we choose to.
There will be loads of departures in the summer, you've got all those out of contract (Young, Townsend, Burns, Chaplin, Harry Clarke, Button) plus the loanees Azon & Neil. A few we'll get some money for as well - Szmodics, Muric, Al-Hamadi, Ogbene, Humphreys, Baggott. That's 12 + 2 loanees by my math, 13/14 with Akpom and Cajuste on top.
While not perfect, its not a bad position to be in. We're not saddled with loads of big earners on long deals or having key players out of contract. Would leave us with the 'core' 16 or so which we would need to add 8 - 10 to of real quality. |
I agree, we could realistically keep Kipre/ Cajuste.
I would however be terrified going into a PL season with Kipre/ Greaves/ DOS as 3/4 CBs.
Kipre has never played in the PL and if we are being honest, he's been solid this season against average Champ strikers without ever looking particularly imperious. Last few games he's looked bang average if we are being honest about it. Look at the chances and yellow card he gave up on the weekend.
If we went up you're trading the likes of Heggebo/ Dike for Isak and Ekitike.
You'd fear for him. | | | |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:48 - Apr 27 with 891 views | itfc_bucks |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:43 - Apr 27 by Bellevue_Blue |
I agree, we could realistically keep Kipre/ Cajuste.
I would however be terrified going into a PL season with Kipre/ Greaves/ DOS as 3/4 CBs.
Kipre has never played in the PL and if we are being honest, he's been solid this season against average Champ strikers without ever looking particularly imperious. Last few games he's looked bang average if we are being honest about it. Look at the chances and yellow card he gave up on the weekend.
If we went up you're trading the likes of Heggebo/ Dike for Isak and Ekitike.
You'd fear for him. |
I just can't see Cajuste being in the picture next year. McKenna hasn't seen fit to give him a start for 4 months and he's not been a required option from the bench, when he's even got that close to the pitch.
Kippers is a different case, has been a rotated starting option for much of the season and would be a judgement call. I wouldn't bet on it happening though.
Think we're looking at at least 8 and possibly as many as 12 new faces in the summer. | |
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| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:52 - Apr 27 with 873 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| IF we get promoted to clarify on 11:42 - Apr 27 by GavTWTD |
You would think there should also be an appearance clause in there too. That would make more sense. At least the club would have some control then. |
As well as a clause there is a possibility there is also a fee in there for not going through with the agreement.
Either we have to sign all 3 no questions asked, in which case it's a case of deciding who we think is a decent squad option or we move them on quickly. Or we decide if the penalty fee is worth more to us than completing the transfer (if such a thing is even possible)
Whilst Akpom & Cajuste have hardly been a raging success I do believe the way the deals were structured was a clever bit of business by us - allows us to spend above what we could as a championship club without taking a financial hit if we fail to go up.
If somehow we find ourselves at this level next year we may even sign Kipre anyway if he is interested. | | | |
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