| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:02 - Apr 30 with 1118 views | brazil1982 |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 08:09 - Apr 30 by StokieBlue |
I guess they also haven't attacked hotels where immigrants are staying and suchlike? What about the police officers assaulted in the last London rally? It's not a competition.
You can't even see how biased you are.
Everyone agrees the rise in antisemitism is a concern, it's your blinkered and biased view of the world that I take issue with and I think your posts in this thread are pretty awful.
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Certainly not a "concern", it's a national emergency. |  | |  |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:03 - Apr 30 with 1116 views | brazil1982 |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:18 - Apr 30 by BlueSmoke |
I guess this is what the intifada looks like. |
Well it's certainly been called for, for many years and this is a result. | | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:17 - Apr 30 with 1068 views | Ryorry |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 11:08 - Apr 30 by Camul123 |
What utter nonsense.
Those of you seeking to make political capital out of another senseless act of terrorism are contemptible. |
I made zero political points - on the contrary, went out of my way to say I think there should be cross-party, cross-border, national and international cooperation to address the national and international crises of our time like racism, climate change, food and water security etc etc.
The “utter nonsense” is coming from you. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:52 - Apr 30 with 989 views | giant_stow |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:17 - Apr 30 by Ryorry |
I made zero political points - on the contrary, went out of my way to say I think there should be cross-party, cross-border, national and international cooperation to address the national and international crises of our time like racism, climate change, food and water security etc etc.
The “utter nonsense” is coming from you. |
I just want to know how its even possible to wash the politics of this out. Are people meant to stick to expressing sadness and shock or are we allowed to look at what's led us here and get angry about that?
If its the latter, that's inherently political, without being about political capital. If anyone's suggesting the former, then I'd like to know what good that does. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:58 - Apr 30 with 968 views | ITFC_1988 |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:52 - Apr 30 by giant_stow |
I just want to know how its even possible to wash the politics of this out. Are people meant to stick to expressing sadness and shock or are we allowed to look at what's led us here and get angry about that?
If its the latter, that's inherently political, without being about political capital. If anyone's suggesting the former, then I'd like to know what good that does. |
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Quelle Surprise! |  | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:06 - Apr 30 with 942 views | giant_stow |
i can't read that unfortunately and the removepaywalls site isn't having it either, but its not surprising. Social media has been awash of examples of pure hate from some candidates. | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:13 - Apr 30 with 916 views | BornDeleuze |
Well, Polanski better get real about it given two Green Party have just been arrested.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Sorry, couldn’t find it being reported in anywhere free or left-leaning. |  | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:15 - Apr 30 with 907 views | Benters |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:03 - Apr 30 by brazil1982 |
Well it's certainly been called for, for many years and this is a result. |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:36 - Apr 30 with 874 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:13 - Apr 30 by BornDeleuze |
Well, Polanski better get real about it given two Green Party have just been arrested.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Sorry, couldn’t find it being reported in anywhere free or left-leaning. |
Yeah, he needs to get a handle on it if he does want the Greens to become the main left/centre left option to replace Labour |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:43 - Apr 30 with 852 views | positivity |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:36 - Apr 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, he needs to get a handle on it if he does want the Greens to become the main left/centre left option to replace Labour |
he definitely should do morally, but does he *need* to to become successful?
reform have become the main right wing option to replace the tories for over a year and they still have stories of racism or antisemitism from their councillors/mps/leaders every week without it affecting their ratings massively.
populism is a disease afflicting the country, and I don't want the greens to ape reform in this way, they need proper vetting [Post edited 30 Apr 15:30]
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 14:43 - Apr 30 with 850 views | Ryorry |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 13:52 - Apr 30 by giant_stow |
I just want to know how its even possible to wash the politics of this out. Are people meant to stick to expressing sadness and shock or are we allowed to look at what's led us here and get angry about that?
If its the latter, that's inherently political, without being about political capital. If anyone's suggesting the former, then I'd like to know what good that does. |
Yes such issues are inhererently broadly socio-political, but I personally meant zero *party* (or "left-right" if you prefer) politics. | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 16:44 - Apr 30 with 730 views | chantryblueboy |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:24 - Apr 30 by StokieBlue |
There are quite a few Jewish people on those marches.
The media are extremely unhelpful in the reporting. Some things said are clearly wrong and unacceptable but you're making out it's everyone.
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‘If you stand alongside people who say Globalize the Intifada, you are calling for terrorism against Jews’
A quote from our Prime Minister | | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 16:55 - Apr 30 with 704 views | StokieBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 16:44 - Apr 30 by chantryblueboy |
‘If you stand alongside people who say Globalize the Intifada, you are calling for terrorism against Jews’
A quote from our Prime Minister |
So you think he means all 50,000 people on a march are calling for that? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
Edit: I've found the quote now and you've cherry picked it.
"Of course, we protect freedom of speech and peaceful protest in this country, but if you are marching with people wearing pictures of paragliders without calling it out, you are venerating the murder of Jews.
If you stand alongside people who say, ‘globalise the Intifada’, you are calling for terrorism against Jews, and people who use that phrase should be prosecuted."
I think most would agree with him but he's certainly not implying everyone at the march are calling for it which is what I felt you implied. You can correct me if that wasn't the case.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 17:22 - Apr 30 with 646 views | chantryblueboy |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 16:55 - Apr 30 by StokieBlue |
So you think he means all 50,000 people on a march are calling for that? I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
Edit: I've found the quote now and you've cherry picked it.
"Of course, we protect freedom of speech and peaceful protest in this country, but if you are marching with people wearing pictures of paragliders without calling it out, you are venerating the murder of Jews.
If you stand alongside people who say, ‘globalise the Intifada’, you are calling for terrorism against Jews, and people who use that phrase should be prosecuted."
I think most would agree with him but he's certainly not implying everyone at the march are calling for it which is what I felt you implied. You can correct me if that wasn't the case.
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Can you not read the bit in my post where it says ‘if you stand alongside’ | | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 18:02 - Apr 30 with 593 views | positivity |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 16:44 - Apr 30 by chantryblueboy |
‘If you stand alongside people who say Globalize the Intifada, you are calling for terrorism against Jews’
A quote from our Prime Minister |
so, by the same metric, everyone who went on the "unite the kingdom" march, wants to "ban any public expression of other religions" (than christianity) "in our christian nations."
pretty antisemitic that, and it was an actual invited speaker rather than a random in the crowd! also a much more specific threat than "intifada" (not saying that it's ok to use the expression, it should definitely be challenged) [Post edited 30 Apr 18:08]
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 18:36 - Apr 30 with 543 views | StokieBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 17:22 - Apr 30 by chantryblueboy |
Can you not read the bit in my post where it says ‘if you stand alongside’ |
Then why did you respond to a my post about the majority at marches not being the issue with that quote?
It's obvious what you were doing.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:14 - Apr 30 with 495 views | chantryblueboy |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 18:36 - Apr 30 by StokieBlue |
Then why did you respond to a my post about the majority at marches not being the issue with that quote?
It's obvious what you were doing.
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Yes, stating that those who stand alongside it and don’t challenge it are complicit and contribute to an environment where anti-Semitic terror attacks are increasingly common | | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:28 - Apr 30 with 451 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 12:16 - Apr 30 by StokieBlue |
Protests were was raised by another poster and thus it's been responded to because it was in the view of myself and some others an unfair and overly simplistic view of the situation. You're essentially saying we can't push back on such views.
You always seem to put yourself forward as the arbiter of what is allowed to be discussed where nowadays. That's not the GB I remember who encouraged healthy debate.
I'll leave it there because this certainly isn't the thread to have a disagreement about the above as everyone can agree these are awful events.
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Sorry for the delay. I've been in transit.
You have every right to push back on the views posted regarding the Jew hate on the pro Palestinian marches. That is the topic being discussed and is relevent to the subject matter of this thread.
What isn't relevant is the far right marches. That is simple whatabouttery.
The next time the far right gather outside a travel lodge, rather than unequivocally condemning their anti islam racism along with everyone else, I'll throw in the Jew hate and calls to violence at pro Palestinian marches and await you telling me that it's a very good comparison and point well made. [Post edited 30 Apr 20:23]
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:40 - Apr 30 with 413 views | GlasgowBlue |
Zack really is shitting the bed lately. No wonder all the Corbyn fan boys are drinking his cool aid.
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:55 - Apr 30 with 375 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 09:58 - Apr 30 by giant_stow |
Compare and contrast the following, to Polanski's 'perception of unsafety':
"The government's independent reviewer of terrorism and state threats legislation, Jonathan Hall KC, told the BBC's The World Tonight that attacks on Jewish people in the UK have now become "the biggest national security emergency" since 2017.
"There are Brits in London in particular, Manchester, but probably all around the country, who are now thinking they cannot live a normal life. And it's not one attack, it's multiple attacks," he said."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv |
"Being Jewish in Britain means living in a security ghetto"
https://www.independent.co.uk/
A few lines from this article.
"Don’t you just hate it when your kids need a security briefing to go to primary school? Isn’t it annoying to have airport-style security at your place of worship so that congregants aren’t murdered?
If you’re Jewish in Britain, this is the reality. We don’t live our lives like normal British citizens any more. We live in a security ghetto – one where tolerant Britain is fading away"
"Soon, it will be my turn again. My turn to put on a stab-proof vest, stand alongside a paid security guard, and guard the gates of my own synagogue. Everyone in the community who can will take a turn. Every synagogue in Britain that I know of runs the same rota. Metal gates. CCTV. Volunteers in body armour. This is what worship looks like now."
Name me another ethno religious group in the UK who have to go through this every single day? Whether it is taking their kids to school or attending their place of worship? | |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:59 - Apr 30 with 373 views | lowhouseblue |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:40 - Apr 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Zack really is shitting the bed lately. No wonder all the Corbyn fan boys are drinking his cool aid.
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very well said mark rowley. |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 20:37 - Apr 30 with 290 views | BlueSmoke |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 19:40 - Apr 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Zack really is shitting the bed lately. No wonder all the Corbyn fan boys are drinking his cool aid.
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He needs to grow a pair of tits and apologise. |  | | |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 20:42 - Apr 30 with 255 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 17:22 - Apr 30 by chantryblueboy |
Can you not read the bit in my post where it says ‘if you stand alongside’ |
Imagine what it might mean to have lunch with someone of dubious views! |  |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:20 - Apr 30 with 116 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 06:23 - Apr 30 by Benters |
That’s good news the sad and frightening thing is these attacks will keep happening now.
I blame this weak government for allowing the marches to take place in our capital city
But then No Idea Kier is a gutless leader so I’m not surprised really. |
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| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 23:29 - Apr 30 with 101 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Two Jewish bods stabbed on 10:49 - Apr 30 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ve never attended one of the marches - question for anyone that has, do they typically expel those who turn up in balaclavas waving Hamas flags (or report them?) I would have thought that was an arrestable offence given they are proscribed. I can fully imagine Jewish people would be intimidated by that given they committed the largest genocide of Jews since the Nazi’s?
For clarity though I certainly don’t agree with the proscribing of Palestine Action - another authoritarian move from an authoritarian government. |
So what about waving Israeli flags given their genocidaln acts murdering 70,000 people? | | | |
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