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“In order to deport all illegal migrants in Britain, Reform will need to detain tens of thousands at a time.
Migrants will not be able to leave these detention centres, and each will be held there a couple of weeks before being deported.
So here’s our promise:
A Reform government will not put any migrant detention facilities in any constituency with a Reform MP.
Nor will we put them where Reform controls the council.
And of the remaining areas, we will prioritise Green controlled parliamentary constituencies and Green controlled councils to locate the detention centres.
Put simply, if you vote in a Reform council or Reform MP, we guarantee you won’t have a detention centre near you.“
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:05 - May 4 with 970 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 08:29 - May 4 by DJR
So far as concerns the Greens, this strikes me as performative nonsense with the local elections in mind, given that urban areas are where the strength of the Greens lies, and there just won't be the space to build the detention centres required.
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And there would also be the small matter of where we could deport them to, even if they could get to that stage. I wouldn’t want to completely rule out it happening, because we’ve seen what MAGA have done in the states and this is the same playbook, but I’d have thought it’s unlikely they’d get something like this done. They’re incompetent as well as racist and downright evil.
If you can stomach watching it, the 2001 film "Conspiracy" is well worth a watch on where the road of concentration camps for "undesireables" leads when deportation is no longer easy or quick enough.
The Wannsee house itself is worth a visit as a museum. A place with grim history jarringly situated in a beautiful location. The day I went there, a contingent of German naval personnel were visiting - they take their historical education seriously in Berlin. It's also less than a couple of miles from the house where Claus von Stauffenberg was living at the time of the July 20th Bomb Plot.
There will likely be Green MPs in towns and inner cities like Cambridge, York ,Bristol etc so good luck with finding room for a mass detention centre there. Half baked nonsense.
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:22 - May 4 with 915 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 08:01 - May 4 by BlueSmoke
Green voters should be pleased with this policy.
Everyone's a winner here, no?
"Refugees welcome", or maybe not it seems.
By the same logic, I can't see people being happy with, for example, Bentley village green being used for fracking despite that being what they voted for...
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
It's genuinely disgusting isn't it? All the hot air aside, the openness of these fascists and the fact none of them have the brains to stop and think is frightening.
"Lest we forget" indeed. These people calling themselves patriots and then spitting on the memories of those who fought Nazism disgust me.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:31 - May 4 by Mullet
It's genuinely disgusting isn't it? All the hot air aside, the openness of these fascists and the fact none of them have the brains to stop and think is frightening.
"Lest we forget" indeed. These people calling themselves patriots and then spitting on the memories of those who fought Nazism disgust me.
Of course an announcement made the day Nigel skipped a TV debate with an hour’s notice on the BBC and it was announced there had been a 42% reduction in crossings in 12 months.
Pure coincidence I’m sure
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:51 - May 4 with 854 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 07:05 - May 4 by iamatractorboy
Anyone else have their skin crawl with the use of the word 'illegals'? Just completely dehumanising.
It's not just people who arrived in the UK by illegal means. Taking away the status "Leave to Remain" turnes a huge new group (many of whom arrived in the UK entirely legitimately) into "illegals".
Who else might they add to the list of "undesireables" as things go on?
Edit: I see that CrayonKing has already made this point.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:51 - May 4 by Guthrum
It's not just people who arrived in the UK by illegal means. Taking away the status "Leave to Remain" turnes a huge new group (many of whom arrived in the UK entirely legitimately) into "illegals".
Who else might they add to the list of "undesireables" as things go on?
Edit: I see that CrayonKing has already made this point.
[Post edited 4 May 9:54]
Green supporters, apparently.
Not even a joke. It supports what you say, they are effectively enemies of the people who, as reform see it, stand against the right way of thinking and being. And already the reform voters are blindly lapping it up. Happy to have another 'other' to blame. First they came for the.....
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 01:09 - May 4 by CrayonKing
I believe the stated policy is to abolish Indefinite Leave to Remain, including for those who've already earned it. This will make hundreds of thousands of law-abiding people, who've followed all the rules and built lives here, suddenly become "illegal immigrants".
This from their website.
"Reform will abolish ILR and rescind existing awards."
The fact though is that things like this and much of what they plan to do depends on leaving the ECHR and other international treaties but I don't think they are going to get this through without the use of the Parliament Act because the Lords aren't going to play ball. And even then I think the courts will still cause problems with what they propose because it appears to go against the tenets of the common law.
Putting it another way, I don't think they will be able to do much of what they promise (and certainly not at speed), but that isn't really the point because the message is all that really matters for them and their supporters.
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 11:09 - May 4 with 712 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:56 - May 4 by Axeldalai_lama
Green supporters, apparently.
Not even a joke. It supports what you say, they are effectively enemies of the people who, as reform see it, stand against the right way of thinking and being. And already the reform voters are blindly lapping it up. Happy to have another 'other' to blame. First they came for the.....
When it comes to the Greens and Polanski, it's open season from all the other parties and the right wing media.
The Mail dubs them the Green Menace, and the rhetoric and imagery of the following are straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 11:02 - May 4 by DJR
This from their website.
"Reform will abolish ILR and rescind existing awards."
The fact though is that things like this and much of what they plan to do depends on leaving the ECHR and other international treaties but I don't think they are going to get this through without the use of the Parliament Act because the Lords aren't going to play ball. And even then I think the courts will still cause problems with what they propose because it appears to go against the tenets of the common law.
Putting it another way, I don't think they will be able to do much of what they promise (and certainly not at speed), but that isn't really the point because the message is all that really matters for them and their supporters.
And that plays into their hands anyway. Because they can take a page out of the Trump book and basically look to take down each check and balance because they're daring the question, with the supporters clapping them on in the name of "democracy".
Though it will be ironic if Reform are the ones to get rid of the Lords.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 08:01 - May 4 by BlueSmoke
Green voters should be pleased with this policy.
Everyone's a winner here, no?
"Refugees welcome", or maybe not it seems.
Why would refugees welcome mean that we want to detain people in detention camps because a racist government wants to change the rules on who is allowed here.
It smacks to me of rounding up a people group who is demonised and placing them in camps. Where have we seen that before?
Do you support this policy because it sounds like you do?
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:05 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue
And there would also be the small matter of where we could deport them to, even if they could get to that stage. I wouldn’t want to completely rule out it happening, because we’ve seen what MAGA have done in the states and this is the same playbook, but I’d have thought it’s unlikely they’d get something like this done. They’re incompetent as well as racist and downright evil.
It would come at a huge cost and bring jobs to the green constituencies!
However, we all know where it leads starting with the internees being forced to work for free ...
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:51 - May 4 by Guthrum
It's not just people who arrived in the UK by illegal means. Taking away the status "Leave to Remain" turnes a huge new group (many of whom arrived in the UK entirely legitimately) into "illegals".
Who else might they add to the list of "undesireables" as things go on?
Edit: I see that CrayonKing has already made this point.
[Post edited 4 May 9:54]
Your point goes slightly further than Crayon's and it is always worth repeating even if it didn't.
Banksy has it right with his latest artwork but will be dismissed as another woke lefty.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 11:25 - May 4 by BanksterDebtSlave
Seems like that blue smoke has been blown up your arse!
This whole post and subsequent replies are absolutely emblematic of the farcical problem with reform and it's supporters. Radio silence apart from one token parroted line for bants.
That's going to be the issue, that's going to be Brexit mark 2 at the next general election. How can you target the vast chunk of people who just see a soundbite, flick a switch, become a refrom supporter, see it like a football supporter, switch back off, don't do politics but love the bants of 2 tier Kier or Greens hug illegals.
Scary
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 15:01 - May 4 with 459 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:22 - May 4 by BlueBadger
By the same logic, I can't see people being happy with, for example, Bentley village green being used for fracking despite that being what they voted for...
Balls.
"I don't want to be like everyone else. That's why I'm a mod, see?"
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 15:22 - May 4 with 417 views
The interesting thing for me is that Reform have fallen from the vote share in the 30s that they were getting last year, and this despite the fact that Labour have arguably got even more unpopular.
I can't be sure but I do wonder if this in part is caused by their doubling down on some rather extreme policies, but with the vote split as it is, I still think there is a very good chance they will be the largest party at the next election, propped up maybe by a Tory party which also appears to heading down the route of leaving the ECHR.
Indeed for me, as someone who believes in the rule of law and international law, leaving the ECHR is arguably the worst policy a UK party has ever proposed not least because of the consequences that could follow.
Sadly many people equate the ECHR with the EU and not even Orban went down that route.
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 17:37 - May 4 with 333 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:22 - May 4 by BlueBadger
By the same logic, I can't see people being happy with, for example, Bentley village green being used for fracking despite that being what they voted for...
I wondered what all those diggers were churning the world famous village green up for Bodger!
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 13:49 - May 4 by Axeldalai_lama
This whole post and subsequent replies are absolutely emblematic of the farcical problem with reform and it's supporters. Radio silence apart from one token parroted line for bants.
That's going to be the issue, that's going to be Brexit mark 2 at the next general election. How can you target the vast chunk of people who just see a soundbite, flick a switch, become a refrom supporter, see it like a football supporter, switch back off, don't do politics but love the bants of 2 tier Kier or Greens hug illegals.
Scary
It’s a mess isn’t it? There’s no attempt to learn and reflect. No recognition of the role of Farage and his cabal in making the country poorer, no looking to the rank corruption and other abuses of power in the US and Hungary with Orban (who Farage supports) and Russia with Putin (who Farage admires).
There are so many warnings that going down this route will be bad for all of us, yet here we are. It’s frustrating as hell when you can see it playing out in slow motion.
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 15:22 - May 4 by DJR
The interesting thing for me is that Reform have fallen from the vote share in the 30s that they were getting last year, and this despite the fact that Labour have arguably got even more unpopular.
I can't be sure but I do wonder if this in part is caused by their doubling down on some rather extreme policies, but with the vote split as it is, I still think there is a very good chance they will be the largest party at the next election, propped up maybe by a Tory party which also appears to heading down the route of leaving the ECHR.
Indeed for me, as someone who believes in the rule of law and international law, leaving the ECHR is arguably the worst policy a UK party has ever proposed not least because of the consequences that could follow.
Sadly many people equate the ECHR with the EU and not even Orban went down that route.
[Post edited 4 May 15:27]
I really hope you are right and that people are just starting to give a bit more thought to the reality. Especially younger people. I think maybe a lot of them flipantly rebelled against the dross of the last decade or more, but most people under 40(or whatever age in truth) when they give it thought hopefully know people who would be othered and targetted by this bunch of nasty charlatans and their simplistic nonsense. And that ultimately they are in the dark ages, whether that's views on race, gender, sexual orientation, country of origin, anything like that. As nice as a temporary feeling of being in the right group is.
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Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 18:41 - May 4 with 239 views
Vote Reform or get Detention Centres in your constituency on 09:13 - May 4 by Guthrum
If you can stomach watching it, the 2001 film "Conspiracy" is well worth a watch on where the road of concentration camps for "undesireables" leads when deportation is no longer easy or quick enough.
The Wannsee house itself is worth a visit as a museum. A place with grim history jarringly situated in a beautiful location. The day I went there, a contingent of German naval personnel were visiting - they take their historical education seriously in Berlin. It's also less than a couple of miles from the house where Claus von Stauffenberg was living at the time of the July 20th Bomb Plot.
Excellent film. A very young Tom Hiddleston makes a brief cameo.
As to the OP, a policy that clearly is unworkable, but when you are playing to the culture wars and targeting the 'own the libs' demographic, I have no doubt it will be depressingly effective.
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