| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs 10:17 - May 8 with 3520 views | redrickstuhaart |
And pay medical insurance like in the US?
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:12 - May 8 with 790 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
He might have said that on one occasion. He’s said lots of things on one occasion. Like he said he doesn’t want the NHS funded through general taxation, only to later argue that that’s never been his position once it was populistically expedient for him to change his position. As there’s a compelling track record to indicate he’ll do again whenever the mood/money takes him. But yeah, fact-check “Bully”. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:12 - May 8 with 789 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 14:34 - May 8 by eireblue |
Outcomes are correlated on amount of money spent.
Germany, Netherlands, France spends more per capita, hence has better outcomes.
The difference per capita per month, would feel something like an extra £150 to £300 pounds you would be spending per month.
Factor in the costs of structural migration,….people that say throwing money at the NHS isn’t the answer, need to be able to answer the question, how can you restructure and get the same outcomes, and not throw money at the problem, when outcomes are correlated to money spent.
Of course the answer to that from Reform voters to things like that will be “Balls”. |
True to an extent but the UK is still above the EU average so it can’t be the only factor. Netherlands spends less as a % of GDP for example with better outcomes, and NHS spending has generally increased by the same metric over the last 2 decades. Demographics will play a part of course but I feel the picture is complex, and I’m always suspicious of the fact that no one has tried to emulate our system. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:26 - May 8 with 752 views | eireblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:12 - May 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
True to an extent but the UK is still above the EU average so it can’t be the only factor. Netherlands spends less as a % of GDP for example with better outcomes, and NHS spending has generally increased by the same metric over the last 2 decades. Demographics will play a part of course but I feel the picture is complex, and I’m always suspicious of the fact that no one has tried to emulate our system. |
% of GDP is not a useful statistic, if you want to understand how much you would need to pay, yourself, either through taxation, or insurance premiums.
You would be paying more in the Netherlands for your healthcare.
There are many countries that do follow the NHS model, e.g. tax funded, universally available. Sure some variations, but France/Germany/Netherlands have a different model, and it costs people more. |  | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:38 - May 8 with 707 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 14:34 - May 8 by eireblue |
Outcomes are correlated on amount of money spent.
Germany, Netherlands, France spends more per capita, hence has better outcomes.
The difference per capita per month, would feel something like an extra £150 to £300 pounds you would be spending per month.
Factor in the costs of structural migration,….people that say throwing money at the NHS isn’t the answer, need to be able to answer the question, how can you restructure and get the same outcomes, and not throw money at the problem, when outcomes are correlated to money spent.
Of course the answer to that from Reform voters to things like that will be “Balls”. |
Whenever reforms to the NHS are debated, people always bring up the straw man argument that "we don't want to be like the USA". Correct - but we don't have to. Most European countries use a part private, part state model which works far better than the UK system. But yes, we'd have to spend more money on it (or exclude some services) & our politicians are too scared to raise taxes. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:41 - May 8 with 704 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:26 - May 8 by eireblue |
% of GDP is not a useful statistic, if you want to understand how much you would need to pay, yourself, either through taxation, or insurance premiums.
You would be paying more in the Netherlands for your healthcare.
There are many countries that do follow the NHS model, e.g. tax funded, universally available. Sure some variations, but France/Germany/Netherlands have a different model, and it costs people more. |
It’s a good metric in terms of comparing the spend versus peers. Ultimately cost per head wouldn’t be the same for everyone due to different incomes. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be state funded, just whether there are more effective financing methods.
The NHS has a higher ratio of non medical staff compared to some of those countries, is that an inefficiency? I don’t know the answers, healthcare isn’t my bag, but interested in potential ways the NHS could be improved. I’m all for increasing funding IF it goes to improving outcomes, having family working for the NHS I do hear of some insane allocation of resources. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:53 - May 8 with 674 views | eireblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 15:38 - May 8 by Radlett_blue |
Whenever reforms to the NHS are debated, people always bring up the straw man argument that "we don't want to be like the USA". Correct - but we don't have to. Most European countries use a part private, part state model which works far better than the UK system. But yes, we'd have to spend more money on it (or exclude some services) & our politicians are too scared to raise taxes. |
Yep, that’s why I tend to make the comparison to France etc…
People spend more, and get better outcomes.
Don’t have time to find it, but, and to the other point, the amount of money spent on admin in the NHS is less than those countries as well, it is a more efficient health service.
It is just under-resourced. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:05 - May 8 with 594 views | Leaky |
Do local councillors have a say over the running of the NHS. which what is being voted for today |  | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:14 - May 8 with 575 views | Herbivore |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:05 - May 8 by Leaky |
Do local councillors have a say over the running of the NHS. which what is being voted for today |
If this election is all about local issues, it's interesting that Reform didn't have local manifestos in some areas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:15 - May 8 with 574 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:14 - May 8 by Herbivore |
If this election is all about local issues, it's interesting that Reform didn't have local manifestos in some areas: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
It's not, whether you like it or not, so they didn't need them. | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:24 - May 8 with 549 views | PaulYoungs |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:21 - May 8 by StokieBlue |
How would they know? The policies are irrelevant apparently. Only one that matters is to smash the boats.
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Over a 1000 seats for Nigel, still out of touch SB
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:25 - May 8 with 548 views | Herbivore |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:15 - May 8 by Radlett_blue |
It's not, whether you like it or not, so they didn't need them. |
I know it's not, I was responding to a poster who seemed to think that it was. | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 19:00 - May 8 with 503 views | naa |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:29 - May 8 by TIB |
Don’t we already pay for the NHS via National Insurance? And we now pay more NI but it’s still struggling!?! 12 months me and my wife were quoted before my son could be tested after birth for a possible milk allergy!?! Madness. Paid to go private and now he’s three years in and making progress on his allergies.
I’d sooner not have the latest iPhone or other “necessity” consumer product and pay something monthly knowing I’ll have quality care if / when required.
To clarify, didn’t vote Reform. |
The issue is the huge number of pensioners (who are also the main Reform voting demographic). They no longer pay into national insurance so the working age people have to cover the extra cost of the much larger number of people needing healthcare. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 23:41 - May 8 with 428 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:36 - May 8 by BelsteadCav |
I only voted Reform hoping they will jump to Restore once it’s up and running
Aim High vote Lowe |
So in 1939 you would have betrayed the UK and supported nazi Germany.
Good look |  | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 23:49 - May 8 with 414 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:36 - May 8 by BelsteadCav |
I only voted Reform hoping they will jump to Restore once it’s up and running
Aim High vote Lowe |
What specifically is it about Reform you like and what about Restore makes them even more preferable? |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 23:52 - May 8 with 410 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:24 - May 8 by PaulYoungs |
Over a 1000 seats for Nigel, still out of touch SB
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What issue would you suggest the electors who gained them over a 1000 seats were motivated by then PY? | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 04:25 - May 9 with 345 views | Benters |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 18:24 - May 8 by PaulYoungs |
Over a 1000 seats for Nigel, still out of touch SB
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 04:36 - May 9 with 334 views | Benters |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 23:41 - May 8 by reusersfreekicks |
So in 1939 you would have betrayed the UK and supported nazi Germany.
Good look |
We must have a lot of as you call them ‘Nazis’ who support Reform then!
Who did you vote for then if you don’t mind me asking? | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 05:33 - May 9 with 318 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:36 - May 8 by BelsteadCav |
I only voted Reform hoping they will jump to Restore once it’s up and running
Aim High vote Lowe |
Jesus. [Post edited 9 May 5:40]
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