| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs 10:17 - May 8 with 3565 views | redrickstuhaart |
And pay medical insurance like in the US?
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:21 - May 8 with 2724 views | StokieBlue |
How would they know? The policies are irrelevant apparently. Only one that matters is to smash the boats.
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:24 - May 8 with 2704 views | Guthrum |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:21 - May 8 by StokieBlue |
How would they know? The policies are irrelevant apparently. Only one that matters is to smash the boats.
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And the one which really matters is to deregulate the City and abolish (so far as possible) taxation for the well-off. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:26 - May 8 with 2669 views | baxterbasics |
Is that an actual Reform policy? Or just something you expect Farage wants to do?
Regardless, I do find it grating that every conversation about NHS treats the issue like it's a binary choice between what we have now and the US system. There are other models out there.
For the record, I did not vote for Reform. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:31 - May 8 with 2625 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:26 - May 8 by baxterbasics |
Is that an actual Reform policy? Or just something you expect Farage wants to do?
Regardless, I do find it grating that every conversation about NHS treats the issue like it's a binary choice between what we have now and the US system. There are other models out there.
For the record, I did not vote for Reform. |
It's literally his stated long term position. Not an official policy yet. Though he says it's a 'national decision' before a ge. So.... | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:43 - May 8 with 2555 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:21 - May 8 by StokieBlue |
How would they know? The policies are irrelevant apparently. Only one that matters is to smash the boats.
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This is a nutshell. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 with 2502 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:26 - May 8 by baxterbasics |
Is that an actual Reform policy? Or just something you expect Farage wants to do?
Regardless, I do find it grating that every conversation about NHS treats the issue like it's a binary choice between what we have now and the US system. There are other models out there.
For the record, I did not vote for Reform. |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:53 - May 8 with 2472 views | Ryorry |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
'Bully'? I very much doubt it is (won't disclose my reasons). |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:57 - May 8 with 2457 views | Guthrum |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
However, similar to what's happened with dentistry, it will make the overall system more expensive, as any savings are siphoned off for other projects and deparments. | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 11:00 - May 8 with 2435 views | Ryorry |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:57 - May 8 by Guthrum |
However, similar to what's happened with dentistry, it will make the overall system more expensive, as any savings are siphoned off for other projects and deparments. |
... & insurers' shareholders, CEO, PR/marketing bods ..? [Post edited 8 May 11:01]
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 11:02 - May 8 with 2415 views | Guthrum |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 11:00 - May 8 by Ryorry |
... & insurers' shareholders, CEO, PR/marketing bods ..? [Post edited 8 May 11:01]
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Plus the basic necessity of any private enterprise having to make a profit/return (or at least service the debt from losses). [Post edited 8 May 11:03]
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 11:03 - May 8 with 2409 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:53 - May 8 by Ryorry |
'Bully'? I very much doubt it is (won't disclose my reasons). |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:17 - May 8 with 2128 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
I think the more significant points are that they've suggested it wouldn't be universal and free at the point of delivery.
(Although it seems he and others have contradicted themselves in the past, so who knows. All we know is that he would be looking to get as many kickbacks and favours in as possible and wouldn't worry about people). [Post edited 8 May 12:48]
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:24 - May 8 with 2046 views | BABLUE |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
Tax relief on private pensions is a great way to use more tax income.
He’ll be doing away with stamp duty too to help the rich some more.
More fossil fuels to help his backers there
£5m here and there as a bung will help his bank balance, nothing to see here
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:25 - May 8 with 2031 views | Zx1988 |
Indeed.
I was stupid enough to get a cotton bud stuck in my ear this morning.
Within an hour I'd been to my local walk-in-centre, had the offending item removed, and was back home enjoying my breakfast.
Free, seamless, and only spent 5mins in the WIC.
It rather reminded me of how fortunate I am, and did make me wonder how many less-well-off Americans are walking around with minor issues such as this, purely because of the cost of even the most basic of healthcare. | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:27 - May 8 with 2026 views | MJallday |
Not to be inflamatory but refrom have repeaedly stated tht they wont turn the NHS private
on a similar topic -under a labour (and conservative) govenment in the 00's/10's i worked for a private company in a consultancy role in an NHS university hosptial - and we put our own business and management systems in then. so the stealth privatasiation has been happening for at least 15 years. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:29 - May 8 with 2002 views | TIB |
Don’t we already pay for the NHS via National Insurance? And we now pay more NI but it’s still struggling!?! 12 months me and my wife were quoted before my son could be tested after birth for a possible milk allergy!?! Madness. Paid to go private and now he’s three years in and making progress on his allergies.
I’d sooner not have the latest iPhone or other “necessity” consumer product and pay something monthly knowing I’ll have quality care if / when required.
To clarify, didn’t vote Reform. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:33 - May 8 with 1962 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:29 - May 8 by TIB |
Don’t we already pay for the NHS via National Insurance? And we now pay more NI but it’s still struggling!?! 12 months me and my wife were quoted before my son could be tested after birth for a possible milk allergy!?! Madness. Paid to go private and now he’s three years in and making progress on his allergies.
I’d sooner not have the latest iPhone or other “necessity” consumer product and pay something monthly knowing I’ll have quality care if / when required.
To clarify, didn’t vote Reform. |
NI is only a tiny proportion of NHS funding. Most is from general taxation.
The current system is far from perfect, and it is hard to argue against the NHS needing reform in someway, however I certainly wouldn't be trusting Farage to reform it!
That being said, your message actually shows the system working, in many ways (taking the specifics out, 12 months for a test is insane), but you don't *have* to use the NHS. You *can* go private. We have the freedom of that choice. | |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:46 - May 8 with 1906 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 10:49 - May 8 by GlasgowBlue |
No it’s not. He has said he wants an insurance based system similar to France.
Whenever the NHS is debated it’s always a binary argument. NHS or USA system. There are plenty of insurance based systems across European countries who deliver far better outcomes and choice for patience.
Bully is making a dishonest argument. |
Under the French system, (which I admit to knowing very little about), if you contract something like Cancer, even if it's something treatable like Breast Cancer for example.
Do your premiums go up at renewal as you are deemed to be 'greater risk'? Or could certain insurers decline cover on the risk basis? |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:50 - May 8 with 1886 views | Jon_456 |
I would never vote Reform but the NHS and US health system aren’t the only two options.
I’ve benefited from health care in France and the quality and efficiency of the service I received compared to the NHS is staggering.
There’s many times I’ve had to pay to go private, something I couldn’t really afford to do, but had to because of the poor service and wait times through the NHS. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:14 - May 8 with 1753 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:33 - May 8 by TheMoralMajority |
NI is only a tiny proportion of NHS funding. Most is from general taxation.
The current system is far from perfect, and it is hard to argue against the NHS needing reform in someway, however I certainly wouldn't be trusting Farage to reform it!
That being said, your message actually shows the system working, in many ways (taking the specifics out, 12 months for a test is insane), but you don't *have* to use the NHS. You *can* go private. We have the freedom of that choice. |
Many people can’t afford to go private though. I am on a 12 month waiting list just to see a consultant too. The system is broken other than emergency care.
As soon as anyone (not specifically Farage) proposes any major reform (pun not intended) there is outrage. And yet very few countries have looked to emulate the way the NHS runs. We should absolutely look at what some of our neighbours on the continent are doing, they typically have better outcomes in many cases (such as cancer survival rates).
I’m not in any doubt that Reform would cripple the NHS further, but we should be looking at other ways it can be run. | | | |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:25 - May 8 with 1681 views | Illinoisblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 12:27 - May 8 by MJallday |
Not to be inflamatory but refrom have repeaedly stated tht they wont turn the NHS private
on a similar topic -under a labour (and conservative) govenment in the 00's/10's i worked for a private company in a consultancy role in an NHS university hosptial - and we put our own business and management systems in then. so the stealth privatasiation has been happening for at least 15 years. |
And with Farage’s track record who wouldn’t believe what he says? |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:36 - May 8 with 1619 views | BelsteadCav |
I only voted Reform hoping they will jump to Restore once it’s up and running
Aim High vote Lowe |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 14:22 - May 8 with 1450 views | keighleyblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:14 - May 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Many people can’t afford to go private though. I am on a 12 month waiting list just to see a consultant too. The system is broken other than emergency care.
As soon as anyone (not specifically Farage) proposes any major reform (pun not intended) there is outrage. And yet very few countries have looked to emulate the way the NHS runs. We should absolutely look at what some of our neighbours on the continent are doing, they typically have better outcomes in many cases (such as cancer survival rates).
I’m not in any doubt that Reform would cripple the NHS further, but we should be looking at other ways it can be run. |
our neighbours on the continent have compulsory public health insurance. [Post edited 8 May 14:23]
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 14:27 - May 8 with 1418 views | Herbivore |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:36 - May 8 by BelsteadCav |
I only voted Reform hoping they will jump to Restore once it’s up and running
Aim High vote Lowe |
Tell me you got kicked in the head by a horse as a child without telling me you got kicked in the head by a horse as a child. |  |
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| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 14:34 - May 8 with 1405 views | eireblue |
| Reform leaning types... Are you happy to lose the nhs on 13:14 - May 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Many people can’t afford to go private though. I am on a 12 month waiting list just to see a consultant too. The system is broken other than emergency care.
As soon as anyone (not specifically Farage) proposes any major reform (pun not intended) there is outrage. And yet very few countries have looked to emulate the way the NHS runs. We should absolutely look at what some of our neighbours on the continent are doing, they typically have better outcomes in many cases (such as cancer survival rates).
I’m not in any doubt that Reform would cripple the NHS further, but we should be looking at other ways it can be run. |
Outcomes are correlated on amount of money spent.
Germany, Netherlands, France spends more per capita, hence has better outcomes.
The difference per capita per month, would feel something like an extra £150 to £300 pounds you would be spending per month.
Factor in the costs of structural migration,….people that say throwing money at the NHS isn’t the answer, need to be able to answer the question, how can you restructure and get the same outcomes, and not throw money at the problem, when outcomes are correlated to money spent.
Of course the answer to that from Reform voters to things like that will be “Balls”. |  | | |
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