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More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 08:23 - May 17 by Benters
Well sorry to disappoint but it wasn’t me .
Nor me. Even though I’m pretty annoyed that a couple of posters, who have never typed a word of support for the British Jewish community in all the years they have been posting on here, have highjacked this thread to settle old scores.
Anyway, I’m off fur a run.
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“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 08:28 - May 17 by GlasgowBlue
Nor me. Even though I’m pretty annoyed that a couple of posters, who have never typed a word of support for the British Jewish community in all the years they have been posting on here, have highjacked this thread to settle old scores.
Anyway, I’m off fur a run.
[Post edited 17 May 8:29]
I support the Jewish community or any other community as long as they love this country.
When a thread becomes a love in between GB and Benters and even Lowers is keeping his head down, you know you're on thin gruel! The streets of the UK are awash with flags inspired by a racist and xenophobic campaign....we'll be fine!
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 08:11 - May 17 by GlasgowBlue
Yeah but these attacks “are all in specific areas”. Well these “specific areas” are areas where Jewish people live. It’s not happening in areas where Jewish people don’t live so let’s not trash London’s reputation.
It’s a mind blowing statement from Stokie. Let’s not call the Warsaw ghetto anymore. Let’s call it “a specific area of Warsaw ghetto”. We don’t want to upset the sensibilities of middle class Warsaw residents who believe the general term taints Warsaw’s reputation.
Imagine there were massive waves of racist attacks on the Muslim community in Tower Hamlets by white nationalists, to the extent that the Met said they needed to deploy an extra 300 officers to protect London’s Muslims. I don’t believe Stokie makes that “are all in specific areas” comment.
Well it’s happening to Jews in London and it’s happening now. No matter how many times people attempt to brush it under the carpet.
Edited for spelling mistake.
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I think you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said in an effort to stick a boot in. I think your comparison to the Warsaw ghetto is a horrible attempt to make me look bad, it's nothing like what I said. You then go on to essentially call me an antisemite with your hypothetical Muslim incident comparison which is unacceptable.
Nobody has attempted to brush it under the carpet, I immediately condemned it so that is also another unfair barb.
I've completely condemned the incident and the awful person involved but my point was pretty clear, it's not widespread across the streets of London and that is what your wording implies to me and I am sure others.
Of course it shouldn't happen anywhere but there is a huge population with a a certain demographic so there will be more stories from London. You didn't write "the streets of Manchester" as your post title in any of the threads about antisemitic incidents in Manchester so I found the wording strange. Unfortunately it's impossible to have any debate on this subject with you without you making veiled accusations if people don't 100% agree with you.
My point was it's not widespread but it is clearly an issue, as Swansea has pointed out, Khan has been making the same point.
I think your accusations are totally unacceptable.
SB
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More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 10:53 - May 17 with 1259 views
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 07:49 - May 17 by GlasgowBlue
Well said Churchman. I find it extremely disappointing that somebody should downplay the waves of antisemitism taking place in our country’s capital because they don’t want London ti get a bad name. Well it’s happening.
“Police hunt man who made threat to 'behead Jews' in east London”
“Earlier this month, the force announced there would be a dedicated team of 100 additional officers who would be deployed to protect London’s Jewish communities.
Since late March, there has been a series of arson attacks at Jewish sites in London.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley previously said 300 extra police officers were needed across Londonas he warned of a growing “pandemic” of antisemitism in the UK’
Let that sink in. 300 extra police officers needed across London just to specifically protect the capital’s Jewish community. A community which makes up just 1.7% of Greater London's population.
The government sounded like they were about to start to take a stronger approach to tackling antisemitism. I hope those weren’t just empty words as we obviously got a problem with division and hatred and Jewish people seem to be right in the firing line. I don’t know what they’ve got planned, but they need to do something. Tackling the source of where antisemitic morons get their conspiracy theories from would be a good start.
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 09:58 - May 17 by StokieBlue
I think you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said in an effort to stick a boot in. I think your comparison to the Warsaw ghetto is a horrible attempt to make me look bad, it's nothing like what I said. You then go on to essentially call me an antisemite with your hypothetical Muslim incident comparison which is unacceptable.
Nobody has attempted to brush it under the carpet, I immediately condemned it so that is also another unfair barb.
I've completely condemned the incident and the awful person involved but my point was pretty clear, it's not widespread across the streets of London and that is what your wording implies to me and I am sure others.
Of course it shouldn't happen anywhere but there is a huge population with a a certain demographic so there will be more stories from London. You didn't write "the streets of Manchester" as your post title in any of the threads about antisemitic incidents in Manchester so I found the wording strange. Unfortunately it's impossible to have any debate on this subject with you without you making veiled accusations if people don't 100% agree with you.
My point was it's not widespread but it is clearly an issue, as Swansea has pointed out, Khan has been making the same point.
I think your accusations are totally unacceptable.
SB
Normally I agree with your posts, but with this I will say it feels like you're delving into semantics for an unclear reason. Yes, the majority of people what peace on our streets and everyone free to live their lives without fear. But there is a growing minority who feel differently and, whilst Islamophobia is probably held by the greatest number of people, there is no doubt that anti-Semitism is gaining traction with very little being done to control or police it, other than cheap words at best from those who have clout.
For me, there is nothing wrong in GB's original post. It's a scene from the streets of London - one which seems to have been proven as authentic. It's hardly a one off event either, as anti-Semitism has steadily increased in both words and actions, particularly in the capital.
Edit: Just to stress, when I say you're delving to semantics for an unclear reason I want to clarify I'm not accusing you personally of anti-Semitism. I don't believe that for a moment and, only when reading back, I saw the risk of an accusation in my wording, so apologies for that.
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 07:41 - May 17 by Benters
Many agree with you many don’t.
Where abouts in London do you live if you don’t mind me asking?
Don't mind at all - I live up the road from where our smashing Jaden and Jack Taylor were both born
As for the many agree, many don't...Sadiq is in his 10th year as mayor, so the majority of Londoners who have voted in the 3 mayoral elections he's won must think he's doing something right...
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 13:05 - May 17 by BlueBoots
Don't mind at all - I live up the road from where our smashing Jaden and Jack Taylor were both born
As for the many agree, many don't...Sadiq is in his 10th year as mayor, so the majority of Londoners who have voted in the 3 mayoral elections he's won must think he's doing something right...
Indeed. Not a huge fan of Khan, and have had a run in with him before when he started his role as mayor/major, but I don't think he's particularly done a bad job.
For the mostpart that's because the Mayor of London can't do much - pretty much the only budget they have to play with is transport, which is why Johnson tried to pretend everything he wanted to do was about transport (garbage bus, dodgy bridge, pointless dangleway).
As it was set up under New Labour, the mayoralty is largely ceremonial and figurehead, by design. Burnham in Manchester, for example, has a lot more power over his region than Khan in London. So I don't think he's done a good or bad job as mayor of the capital, there's not much capacity to do anything other than soundbites and PR.
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More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 13:13 - May 17 with 1089 views
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 11:36 - May 17 by pointofblue
Normally I agree with your posts, but with this I will say it feels like you're delving into semantics for an unclear reason. Yes, the majority of people what peace on our streets and everyone free to live their lives without fear. But there is a growing minority who feel differently and, whilst Islamophobia is probably held by the greatest number of people, there is no doubt that anti-Semitism is gaining traction with very little being done to control or police it, other than cheap words at best from those who have clout.
For me, there is nothing wrong in GB's original post. It's a scene from the streets of London - one which seems to have been proven as authentic. It's hardly a one off event either, as anti-Semitism has steadily increased in both words and actions, particularly in the capital.
Edit: Just to stress, when I say you're delving to semantics for an unclear reason I want to clarify I'm not accusing you personally of anti-Semitism. I don't believe that for a moment and, only when reading back, I saw the risk of an accusation in my wording, so apologies for that.
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And to bust this "specific areas" false narrative:
The Metropolitan police logged 140 offences last month, up from 98 in March and 67 in February. April’s total is the highest monthly figure since the force changed the way it counts hate crime in March 2024.
Of the 140 incidents in London in April, 51 (36%) occurred in Barnet, the north London borough that includes Golders Green, Hendon and Finchley, which have large Jewish populations. Among the offences were attempted arson attacks at Finchley Reform Synagogue on 15 April and at the former premises in Hendon of the charity Jewish Futures three days later. A further attempted arson attack targeted a memorial wall in Golders Green on 28 April.
Golders Green was also the scene of a double stabbing on 29 April that is subject to a terrorism investigation.
In Camden, which neighbours Barnet, 17 antisemitic offences were recorded by the Met in April; 16 were recorded in Hackney, 10 in Haringey and seven in Westminster. Overall, at least one antisemitic hate crime was logged last month in 21 of the 32 London boroughs.
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 13:13 - May 17 by GlasgowBlue
And to bust this "specific areas" false narrative:
The Metropolitan police logged 140 offences last month, up from 98 in March and 67 in February. April’s total is the highest monthly figure since the force changed the way it counts hate crime in March 2024.
Of the 140 incidents in London in April, 51 (36%) occurred in Barnet, the north London borough that includes Golders Green, Hendon and Finchley, which have large Jewish populations. Among the offences were attempted arson attacks at Finchley Reform Synagogue on 15 April and at the former premises in Hendon of the charity Jewish Futures three days later. A further attempted arson attack targeted a memorial wall in Golders Green on 28 April.
Golders Green was also the scene of a double stabbing on 29 April that is subject to a terrorism investigation.
In Camden, which neighbours Barnet, 17 antisemitic offences were recorded by the Met in April; 16 were recorded in Hackney, 10 in Haringey and seven in Westminster. Overall, at least one antisemitic hate crime was logged last month in 21 of the 32 London boroughs.
FWIW I don’t know if the narrative over areas matters much. When we had really worrying incidents up here it was in prestwich which is at the heart of the Jewish community here. Most mancs would know that, but if you reported it widely the subtly wouldn’t help.
I drive through it and Salford where there are lots of synagogues of all types and denominations and a large proportion of Jews, the next streets over are a largely Muslim area but there are a few “Muslim” areas colloquially across the city. I think both are valid elements of the discussion and moving from headline to detail gives space for both.
What worries me more is that we are seeing all Jews = Israel like we use to see all Muslims = Al qaeda/ terrorist etc and people are exploiting that to pick sides. You see it on here even. What does matter is that rhetoric like one you highlight is challenged, stopped and dealt with no matter what. It bothers me when the tribalism of politics blinds people to the kind of hate and violence making the world worse.
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 13:05 - May 17 by BlueBoots
Don't mind at all - I live up the road from where our smashing Jaden and Jack Taylor were both born
As for the many agree, many don't...Sadiq is in his 10th year as mayor, so the majority of Londoners who have voted in the 3 mayoral elections he's won must think he's doing something right...
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I was dubious at first, but his implementation of Shariah Law has significantly improved my life.
Ashton out
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More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 15:06 - May 17 with 945 views
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 16:12 - May 17 by strikalite
Are all these people racists too?
Don't purely skim through it, watch it, with an open mind..
Just after the two minute mark - a voice on the tannoy saying how this is a nation is built and Christ is King... whilst someone waves an Israeli flag. It's funny because, being brought up a Christian, I thought the key message was "love thy neighbour". Hmm.
Am five minutes in and losing patience. It's someone walking through a crowd of mostly white people whilst one guy says "of course I'm not racist". As if he'd admit anything else on camera.
In all honestly it can probably be skimmed through until eight minutes, as it's nothing that isn't know. Especially the bile from the stage. But the eight minute mark is interesting. Though his comment "You cannot takeover anything" makes me wonder if he understands who exactly is in control right now.
The next guy - "There's nobody far right." Remind me, who arranged the Unite the Nation march again? He praises Tommy Robinson on stage and doesn't see an issue with it? And, whilst it's a relief to see open arms towards black people, which was not always a case, I wonder if someone in a burkha, for example, would be able to walk through that crowd without abuse?
The vague "what would you say to people who are scared..." massively irritated me. What about, "What would you say to those of an Islam faith?"
And then we have "Robert" Lowe apparently being the answer to everything. Unfortunately he wasn't challenged WHAT kind of change is required.
In answer to the final question asked in the video I see extremism because they are listening to the wrong people. To those who want to punch down to keep the status quo rather than solve the deep seated issues with the country where the rich just want to get richer. Watching that has made me even more uneasy and worried than I was before watching it.
More worrying scenes in the streets of London on 23:25 - May 17 by reusersfreekicks
What are you - some kind of board police now? Lecturing us on what we can and can't post about!
Although you would prefer to use a thread about attacks on the British Jewish community as means to continue your spats with other posters, rather than comment on the actual subject matter, I'm sure that like me you are happy that the the person who shouted “You Jews…are gonna get beheaded one by one, you dirty Jews.” has now been arrested and there is now one less racist scumbag in our streets.
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