| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad 17:25 - May 18 with 4815 views | muccletonjoe |
Would be good enough to play in Premier league ?
He is not a great commentator on this club, by any stretch, but when push comes to shove , I wouldnt pick too many more who I would be comfortable with playing in first game. |  | | |  |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:48 - May 18 with 821 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:00 - May 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Joe said on Blue Monday that we will need a minimum of 8 starters to compete in the Premier League. I don't think he's far wrong. |
That's the absolute top end I would say but that is probably what the club are thinking too, if I had to guess. Seen a few on here suggest we already have the spine of a team sorted which for me is fanciful. |  | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:52 - May 18 with 802 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:43 - May 18 by dirtyboy |
I think over 90 mins those two between them are a handful for any defender in the league. Won’t get 27 goals in the PL but they will cause issues as they are using skills rather than speed and pace to get a yard.
The hardest thing where we do need to upgrade is someone in the middle who can get the ball to them early enough and a striker who’s going to cause issues too.
Clearly need some help with additions, but IF we can get a nice bit of quality I think we’ll be in a shout of staying up… will be bloody close though unless we unearth a real gem from somewhere |
I like both of them but it has concerned me at times how Jaden can completely vanish from a game, particularly away from home. Even when Clarke is having an off day its more that what he's trying just isn't working as opposed to not being present in the game. But it wouldn't be a priority area at all for this summer.
It's going to be very tough, as you say. I was hoping for West Ham to stay up just because I thought they would be another candidate to go down but we definitely can do it. I think the emphasis has to be on those athletic profiles in the middle of the park. I would like to see 2 all action centre midfielders who will be a physical match for the opposition and then you've got Azor and probably Taylor as well to make up your midfield room.
As for the 10 I do quite like the tall, rangy attacking midfielder who will drop in to CM out of possession. Im not saying him specifically but a bit like Phillip Billing was for Bournemouth or on a lesser scale Matt Crooks was for Rotherham in those league one seasons. |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:55 - May 18 with 789 views | bournemouthblue |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 17:38 - May 18 by PrideOfTheEast |
And he’s right. |
Which is annoying |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 20:00 - May 18 with 784 views | Guthrum |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:00 - May 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Joe said on Blue Monday that we will need a minimum of 8 starters to compete in the Premier League. I don't think he's far wrong. |
I reckon ten new signings, not all of them starters (i.e. some alternates/cover/off the bench). |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 20:09 - May 18 with 765 views | Guthrum |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:48 - May 18 by SWLondonBlue93 |
That's the absolute top end I would say but that is probably what the club are thinking too, if I had to guess. Seen a few on here suggest we already have the spine of a team sorted which for me is fanciful. |
I think we have a defensive base, with some useful attackers.
That's not to say all the back-line from last season plus Matusiwa will be automatic starters every game. However, there is the framework there. O'Shea, Furlong, Matusiwa, probably Davis. Greaves, Johnson, Kipre and Walton/Palmer as 2nd choice/alternates at least. They kept a lot of clean sheets in the Champ, conceding 2nd fewest goals. The Prem is a big step up, but they ought to be able to give a respectable account of themselves.
It's the midfield and attackers where the squad really needs some work, to make and score the goals which will earn us points. [Post edited 18 May 20:10]
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 20:54 - May 18 with 712 views | cressi |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 18:28 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Think playing a more pragmatic game will help more of our current side with going up than it did the last time
We will need some reinforcements thats a given but i think the below with the right squad around them will do ok
Oshea
Davis
Azor
Philogene
Greaves
Clarke I dunno, I just don't think hes a prem player but we will find out
others i think are squad back ups, but I wouldn't want to see them getting to many match minutes. |
Not sure about
Davis can he actually defend at the level
Azor not sure he has enough pace.
Philogene physically can he cope
Greaves has a chance of making it
O'Shea A decent chance has a bit of pace which is essential. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 22:23 - May 18 with 673 views | strikalite |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 19:31 - May 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I thought Joe was nail on the head on every point on the pod last night. |
I was really surprised he thought both Hirst and Azon would be good enough, nowhere near good enough imo, we need a massive upgrade here, we have to stop this sentimental stuff, it'll cost us big time.. |  | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 07:36 - May 19 with 570 views | kiwiblue |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 17:38 - May 18 by PrideOfTheEast |
And he’s right. |
Depends on how many fingers he has. If its six he may be right. Inbred plonker that he clearly is. |  | | |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 08:17 - May 19 with 549 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 22:23 - May 18 by strikalite |
I was really surprised he thought both Hirst and Azon would be good enough, nowhere near good enough imo, we need a massive upgrade here, we have to stop this sentimental stuff, it'll cost us big time.. |
I thought he said we needed 2 strikers though. Might be wrong.
I would keep either of those as 3rd choice but nothing more. | |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 08:23 - May 19 with 536 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 20:09 - May 18 by Guthrum |
I think we have a defensive base, with some useful attackers.
That's not to say all the back-line from last season plus Matusiwa will be automatic starters every game. However, there is the framework there. O'Shea, Furlong, Matusiwa, probably Davis. Greaves, Johnson, Kipre and Walton/Palmer as 2nd choice/alternates at least. They kept a lot of clean sheets in the Champ, conceding 2nd fewest goals. The Prem is a big step up, but they ought to be able to give a respectable account of themselves.
It's the midfield and attackers where the squad really needs some work, to make and score the goals which will earn us points. [Post edited 18 May 20:10]
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Would agree that we have more players in the back half of the pitch that could step up, with lots of work to be done at the top end. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 08:49 - May 19 with 492 views | grow_our_own |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 18:28 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Think playing a more pragmatic game will help more of our current side with going up than it did the last time
We will need some reinforcements thats a given but i think the below with the right squad around them will do ok
Oshea
Davis
Azor
Philogene
Greaves
Clarke I dunno, I just don't think hes a prem player but we will find out
others i think are squad back ups, but I wouldn't want to see them getting to many match minutes. |
Mostly agree. I'd add Walton to this list if he continues last season's form. Not 100% on Greaves as he's still prone to mistakes, but I think between him and Kipre, one of them will step up. I think Clarke is good enough. Furlong is streetwise and a steadying presence at the back, and that won us a lot of points last season - not writing him off either. Need to sign first-choice players in every other position. [Post edited 19 May 8:50]
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 08:51 - May 19 with 487 views | Herbivore |
I think it's likely that Davis, O'Shea, Matusiwa, and Philogene/Clarke will start in most games next season. Most of the rest of the squad will be subs/squad players, Hirst actually looked alright last time out in the Prem and bagged a few goals in his limited minutes so as a back up option he's good enough, same is true of the likes of Greaves, McAteer, Furlong, Kipre, Walton, Mehmeti, Nunez, possibly Taylor as well as a fourth choice CM.
That means we need a decent number of players ready to start and some better depth in some areas, especially CM, 10, and up top. But that's true of every side that goes up so it's not a particularly insightful bit of commentary from Goodman, newly promoted signs routinely sign double digit numbers of players to try and give themselves a chance of staying up. |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 09:38 - May 19 with 448 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Its hardly cutting insight, but it rarely is from him.
He's probably right but I think there's a tendency to be too binary about all this, 'he's premier league quality' and 'he's a Championship player'. Its the same throughout the leagues and its never that black & white. There are a lot of factors that contribute and the strength in key areas is one. There are individuals in our squad who wouldn't look out of place much further up the food chain, but the collective isn't strong enough. I think you could drop O'Shea into the heart of Man United's defence and he'd look good. Philogene got a fair few minutes for Villa before we signed him, he played the full 90 in their Champions league win over Bayern for example. Davis is another, if you put him in an Everton or Bournemouth he'd probably thrive, like Cresswell did for West Ham for many years. Had Mick got us up we likely would've struggled, but it wouldn't have meant Mings or Webster weren't capable of going on to have very solid premier league careers.
The challenge we have right now is the quality in really key positions / or ability to bring it in, and we've got a lot of work to do there. From an attacking perspective 'zone 14' (yuk) or 'the hole' in old money is typically considered the most important area of the pitch, and its where we're woefully short. Central midfield is another problem area where we lack both depth and quality.
People can say we've only got a handful capable of playing at that level, I think you could just as easily position it the other way and say if you let me cherry pick 5 players from world football into our squad we would be a top half team. Clearly we can't get those, the question is how close to it can we get within our budget and pulling power. Hence the overseas market and hoping to land the next Mahrez or Kante is often seen as a potential avenue. Very difficult to do in reality though, and very much the exception rather than norm. |  | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 09:49 - May 19 with 437 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 09:38 - May 19 by _CliveBaker_ |
Its hardly cutting insight, but it rarely is from him.
He's probably right but I think there's a tendency to be too binary about all this, 'he's premier league quality' and 'he's a Championship player'. Its the same throughout the leagues and its never that black & white. There are a lot of factors that contribute and the strength in key areas is one. There are individuals in our squad who wouldn't look out of place much further up the food chain, but the collective isn't strong enough. I think you could drop O'Shea into the heart of Man United's defence and he'd look good. Philogene got a fair few minutes for Villa before we signed him, he played the full 90 in their Champions league win over Bayern for example. Davis is another, if you put him in an Everton or Bournemouth he'd probably thrive, like Cresswell did for West Ham for many years. Had Mick got us up we likely would've struggled, but it wouldn't have meant Mings or Webster weren't capable of going on to have very solid premier league careers.
The challenge we have right now is the quality in really key positions / or ability to bring it in, and we've got a lot of work to do there. From an attacking perspective 'zone 14' (yuk) or 'the hole' in old money is typically considered the most important area of the pitch, and its where we're woefully short. Central midfield is another problem area where we lack both depth and quality.
People can say we've only got a handful capable of playing at that level, I think you could just as easily position it the other way and say if you let me cherry pick 5 players from world football into our squad we would be a top half team. Clearly we can't get those, the question is how close to it can we get within our budget and pulling power. Hence the overseas market and hoping to land the next Mahrez or Kante is often seen as a potential avenue. Very difficult to do in reality though, and very much the exception rather than norm. |
Yep - posted similar yesterday but you've put it more eloquently!
We have plenty of players capable of dipping in and out from the bench and starting the odd game but not many you would want starting 30+ games at PL level - Davis, O'Shea and Clarke/Philogene between them for me. Some may say Matusiwa but I am not so sure personally unless he had someone really elite and complimentary alongside him.
We need 7/8 tangible upgrades that are starters - means PL experience/games under their belt playing at the top level elsewhere. I think that is where we came short last time. We didn't sign enough that tangibly moved the dial for us at PL level. Phillips was the one we really wanted to hang our hat on and he fell well short. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:05 - May 19 with 424 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 09:49 - May 19 by tractorboy1978 |
Yep - posted similar yesterday but you've put it more eloquently!
We have plenty of players capable of dipping in and out from the bench and starting the odd game but not many you would want starting 30+ games at PL level - Davis, O'Shea and Clarke/Philogene between them for me. Some may say Matusiwa but I am not so sure personally unless he had someone really elite and complimentary alongside him.
We need 7/8 tangible upgrades that are starters - means PL experience/games under their belt playing at the top level elsewhere. I think that is where we came short last time. We didn't sign enough that tangibly moved the dial for us at PL level. Phillips was the one we really wanted to hang our hat on and he fell well short. |
Yep, we've got some very decent players who wouldn't look out of place in the premier league. All of those middling premier league sides have players of that profile, the difference is they also have 4 or 5 of quality. That's what separates a 14th place finish and 19th. The difference between us and Brentford isn't Greaves vs. Pinnock or Philogene vs. Lewis-Potter, its more Damsgaard and Thiago vs. Nunez & Hirst. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:19 - May 19 with 409 views | HighgateBlue |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 20:09 - May 18 by Guthrum |
I think we have a defensive base, with some useful attackers.
That's not to say all the back-line from last season plus Matusiwa will be automatic starters every game. However, there is the framework there. O'Shea, Furlong, Matusiwa, probably Davis. Greaves, Johnson, Kipre and Walton/Palmer as 2nd choice/alternates at least. They kept a lot of clean sheets in the Champ, conceding 2nd fewest goals. The Prem is a big step up, but they ought to be able to give a respectable account of themselves.
It's the midfield and attackers where the squad really needs some work, to make and score the goals which will earn us points. [Post edited 18 May 20:10]
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Yeah I don't think our midfield has really looked right since before our previous promotion. It needs to become an asset rather than a liability. Hard to see us recruiting in that area as well as Sunderland did, but if we stake the house on a Kalvin Phillips type, it needs to come off this time.
We've certainly had darker days in the middle of the park, mind. I seem to recall Georges Santos being used to little effect by BFJ, for example.
Not sure how we managed to get promoted automatically with the midfield, 10s and 9s that we had, but kudos to Kieran for achieving it. There is much to do, and many decisions to be made. It's so hard, because if it's not wholly successful, then (a) the club will be accused of changing too many players, and (b) a relegation inevitably means another summer of wholesale changes.
Positively Sisyphean. |  | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:46 - May 19 with 393 views | Herbivore |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:19 - May 19 by HighgateBlue |
Yeah I don't think our midfield has really looked right since before our previous promotion. It needs to become an asset rather than a liability. Hard to see us recruiting in that area as well as Sunderland did, but if we stake the house on a Kalvin Phillips type, it needs to come off this time.
We've certainly had darker days in the middle of the park, mind. I seem to recall Georges Santos being used to little effect by BFJ, for example.
Not sure how we managed to get promoted automatically with the midfield, 10s and 9s that we had, but kudos to Kieran for achieving it. There is much to do, and many decisions to be made. It's so hard, because if it's not wholly successful, then (a) the club will be accused of changing too many players, and (b) a relegation inevitably means another summer of wholesale changes.
Positively Sisyphean. |
Massive stretch to describe our midfield this season as a liability. We were certainly hampered by Cajuste struggling but Matusiwa and Taylor were an effective partnership for much of the season. | |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:53 - May 19 with 385 views | billlm |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 18:28 - May 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Think playing a more pragmatic game will help more of our current side with going up than it did the last time
We will need some reinforcements thats a given but i think the below with the right squad around them will do ok
Oshea
Davis
Azor
Philogene
Greaves
Clarke I dunno, I just don't think hes a prem player but we will find out
others i think are squad back ups, but I wouldn't want to see them getting to many match minutes. |
I wouldn't put davis in that category,
Not if he's expected to play high when attacking we got done time and time again two years ago and will again if that tactic is deployed,
Also as a defender a lot of work needs doing on positioning, |  | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 13:12 - May 19 with 334 views | stonojnr |
He also said only a month ago we definitely werent going to get promoted so let's just ignore his "expert" punditry when it comes to Town | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 13:14 - May 19 with 331 views | Radlett_blue |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:46 - May 19 by Herbivore |
Massive stretch to describe our midfield this season as a liability. We were certainly hampered by Cajuste struggling but Matusiwa and Taylor were an effective partnership for much of the season. |
Indeed, Cajuste wasn't proactive enough when we didn't have the ball. Taylor really improved & earned his starts. Neil came in as an effective deputy as Cajuste wasn't deemed strong enough. |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 13:40 - May 19 with 309 views | HighgateBlue |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:46 - May 19 by Herbivore |
Massive stretch to describe our midfield this season as a liability. We were certainly hampered by Cajuste struggling but Matusiwa and Taylor were an effective partnership for much of the season. |
Sorry I don't mean to be too harsh on some decent players who gave their all.
When I say "liability", I mean that CM has been one of the less strong areas of the team that most of us would have looked to upgrade if we could (and of course courting Hackney was evidence that Kieran thought the same). I don't think it was our strength, when you compare us to our promotion rivals.
Matusiwa was clearly a really strong signing, and it certainly wasn't his fault that he was out on his feet for the last run of games. Taylor did nicely when called upon, but I have doubts about him at PL level. Can't see us going back in for Neil or Cajuste, so we'll need a restructure at CM. And I think at PL level our midfield was a genuine liability - it was carved through all too easily. But I appreciate it's a massive step up, and such a hard league in that position, so no particular shade being thrown in any direction. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 13:52 - May 19 with 288 views | grow_our_own |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:05 - May 19 by _CliveBaker_ |
Yep, we've got some very decent players who wouldn't look out of place in the premier league. All of those middling premier league sides have players of that profile, the difference is they also have 4 or 5 of quality. That's what separates a 14th place finish and 19th. The difference between us and Brentford isn't Greaves vs. Pinnock or Philogene vs. Lewis-Potter, its more Damsgaard and Thiago vs. Nunez & Hirst. |
Agreed. Current team will be relegated mainly because it lacks goals, not because defence & keeper aren't up to it. | | | |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 14:20 - May 19 with 260 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 10:46 - May 19 by Herbivore |
Massive stretch to describe our midfield this season as a liability. We were certainly hampered by Cajuste struggling but Matusiwa and Taylor were an effective partnership for much of the season. |
We were getting overrun at times, even in the champ. |  |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 14:22 - May 19 with 255 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 08:51 - May 19 by Herbivore |
I think it's likely that Davis, O'Shea, Matusiwa, and Philogene/Clarke will start in most games next season. Most of the rest of the squad will be subs/squad players, Hirst actually looked alright last time out in the Prem and bagged a few goals in his limited minutes so as a back up option he's good enough, same is true of the likes of Greaves, McAteer, Furlong, Kipre, Walton, Mehmeti, Nunez, possibly Taylor as well as a fourth choice CM.
That means we need a decent number of players ready to start and some better depth in some areas, especially CM, 10, and up top. But that's true of every side that goes up so it's not a particularly insightful bit of commentary from Goodman, newly promoted signs routinely sign double digit numbers of players to try and give themselves a chance of staying up. |
I fear left hand side is getting cooked in the PL if we are on the back foot. An addition needed there as well. | |
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| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 14:39 - May 19 with 226 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Don Goodman saying only a handful of current squad on 13:14 - May 19 by Radlett_blue |
Indeed, Cajuste wasn't proactive enough when we didn't have the ball. Taylor really improved & earned his starts. Neil came in as an effective deputy as Cajuste wasn't deemed strong enough. |
Defending was Cajuste's weakness so he should have played as a 10. He would be better going forward than either Mehmeti or Nunez and worse than either in covering back. This flawless in his game was magnified by playing in a two man midfield. If Kieron is going to persist in this formation we are going to need two better defensive midfielders than Azor. In the Premiership, Matusiwa and Taylor can only be backups. | | | |
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