| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? 09:10 - Jun 2 with 2132 views | itfcjoe |
Pat McFadden in a message to Peter Mandelson.
Not a good thing to come out for the Labour party, this Mandelson appointment continues to inflict serious pain to the party each time new documents are released |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 10:02 - Jun 2 with 1828 views | Guthrum |
"Who can we tax?" has been the perennial question in government since ancient times.
The benefits bit is just gratuitous, showing the contempt of our leaders towards the unfortunate, the disabled and those working people whose wages do not cover living costs. Plus ignoring the fact that the largest part of the "benefits" expense is the state pension, to support our elderly.
All in order to vote-bribe the comfortably off so they can afford Netflix and SUVs too large for them to drive around urban streets. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 10:11 - Jun 2 with 1762 views | BrianTablet |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 10:02 - Jun 2 by Guthrum |
"Who can we tax?" has been the perennial question in government since ancient times.
The benefits bit is just gratuitous, showing the contempt of our leaders towards the unfortunate, the disabled and those working people whose wages do not cover living costs. Plus ignoring the fact that the largest part of the "benefits" expense is the state pension, to support our elderly.
All in order to vote-bribe the comfortably off so they can afford Netflix and SUVs too large for them to drive around urban streets. |
Absolutely. We should be focussing on "Who don't we tax?" and why |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:01 - Jun 2 with 1669 views | unstableblue |
The UK is sleep walking into something potentially catastrophic.
Labour's tenure has done good in parts, but they are appalling at communicating it. But their taxation on small businesses is crippling, and the Iran War pain is about to kick-in. The Mandelson debacle stinks, and isn't over for Starmer. To your point the benefit burden needs reform - but somehow need to stop this shocking movement of wealth up to the few. This is a balance.
In parallel Reform are growing in strength, but they are clearly completely unfit to run the country. The damage is already being done in local councils. But my word in government they would run us into the ground*.
The full ramifications of Trump's agenda are being felt in the US both economically, globally and socially. And this should taint Farage and Reform who are a pro-Trump agenda, but it just doesn't.
*The elephant in the room is Brexit, the metrics are now so stark on how economically damaging it has been. But Farage has poisoned the debate - no one can go near it now. The man in the street thinks immigration is the issue - yet seems to not connect Farage's Brexit debacle to the mass immigration caused - much of it essential to prop of care services. Now its emerging Richard Tice is a full-on climate change denier. We have to stay on target of the renewables and nuclear build out.
Essentially we're in a bit of a doom loop. Inward foreign investment, change to small business tax regimes, and the end to the Iran war crucial early steps.
Bizarrely some metrics are going in the right direction. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:32 - Jun 2 with 1616 views | Radlett_blue |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:01 - Jun 2 by unstableblue |
The UK is sleep walking into something potentially catastrophic.
Labour's tenure has done good in parts, but they are appalling at communicating it. But their taxation on small businesses is crippling, and the Iran War pain is about to kick-in. The Mandelson debacle stinks, and isn't over for Starmer. To your point the benefit burden needs reform - but somehow need to stop this shocking movement of wealth up to the few. This is a balance.
In parallel Reform are growing in strength, but they are clearly completely unfit to run the country. The damage is already being done in local councils. But my word in government they would run us into the ground*.
The full ramifications of Trump's agenda are being felt in the US both economically, globally and socially. And this should taint Farage and Reform who are a pro-Trump agenda, but it just doesn't.
*The elephant in the room is Brexit, the metrics are now so stark on how economically damaging it has been. But Farage has poisoned the debate - no one can go near it now. The man in the street thinks immigration is the issue - yet seems to not connect Farage's Brexit debacle to the mass immigration caused - much of it essential to prop of care services. Now its emerging Richard Tice is a full-on climate change denier. We have to stay on target of the renewables and nuclear build out.
Essentially we're in a bit of a doom loop. Inward foreign investment, change to small business tax regimes, and the end to the Iran war crucial early steps.
Bizarrely some metrics are going in the right direction. |
Good overall analysis. But leave Brexit - it's done, for better or worse & reopening this squabble would be hugely counter-productive.
And let's not run Britain down too much. The other developed European countries face similar challenges - slower growth, globalisation, poor demographics, unpopular immigration. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:34 - Jun 2 with 1602 views | Meadowlark |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:01 - Jun 2 by unstableblue |
The UK is sleep walking into something potentially catastrophic.
Labour's tenure has done good in parts, but they are appalling at communicating it. But their taxation on small businesses is crippling, and the Iran War pain is about to kick-in. The Mandelson debacle stinks, and isn't over for Starmer. To your point the benefit burden needs reform - but somehow need to stop this shocking movement of wealth up to the few. This is a balance.
In parallel Reform are growing in strength, but they are clearly completely unfit to run the country. The damage is already being done in local councils. But my word in government they would run us into the ground*.
The full ramifications of Trump's agenda are being felt in the US both economically, globally and socially. And this should taint Farage and Reform who are a pro-Trump agenda, but it just doesn't.
*The elephant in the room is Brexit, the metrics are now so stark on how economically damaging it has been. But Farage has poisoned the debate - no one can go near it now. The man in the street thinks immigration is the issue - yet seems to not connect Farage's Brexit debacle to the mass immigration caused - much of it essential to prop of care services. Now its emerging Richard Tice is a full-on climate change denier. We have to stay on target of the renewables and nuclear build out.
Essentially we're in a bit of a doom loop. Inward foreign investment, change to small business tax regimes, and the end to the Iran war crucial early steps.
Bizarrely some metrics are going in the right direction. |
Agreed - all except the nuclear power nonsense. This government like the one before it has been fooled by the nuclear lobby. Read the National Audit Office report. Wind generated electricity is cheaper than it's ever been and getting cheaper, but consumer prices are (bizarrely!) tied to gas pricing, so the wind farms are switched off.
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:40 - Jun 2 with 1570 views | Steve_M |
The cowardice of an election strategy that refused to criticise Jeremy Hunt's two vindictive cuts to National Insurance, let alone pledge to overturn them has predictably not been a success. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:51 - Jun 2 with 1486 views | Vaughan8 |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:40 - Jun 2 by Steve_M |
The cowardice of an election strategy that refused to criticise Jeremy Hunt's two vindictive cuts to National Insurance, let alone pledge to overturn them has predictably not been a success. |
The Increase of the minimum wages and the NI increases have caused less jobs and more unemployment. They went for the "headlines" putting up the minimum wages but it ultimately reduces jobs for people starting out.
This was pretty obvious when it happened but now people are feeling the effects and more people are on benefits.
Some employer on Radio 5live the other day said for a few £'s more an hour, he can get someone fully trained (I think he was a plumber) instead of paying a youngster minimum wage and having to train them up for presumably months and maybe years before they can go out on their own.
I know there will be the usual defenders of Labour, and say everyone deserves a decent wage, which is fine, if the jobs are there. I'd rather get paid less and work, than have no job. |  | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 12:56 - Jun 2 with 1328 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:51 - Jun 2 by Vaughan8 |
The Increase of the minimum wages and the NI increases have caused less jobs and more unemployment. They went for the "headlines" putting up the minimum wages but it ultimately reduces jobs for people starting out.
This was pretty obvious when it happened but now people are feeling the effects and more people are on benefits.
Some employer on Radio 5live the other day said for a few £'s more an hour, he can get someone fully trained (I think he was a plumber) instead of paying a youngster minimum wage and having to train them up for presumably months and maybe years before they can go out on their own.
I know there will be the usual defenders of Labour, and say everyone deserves a decent wage, which is fine, if the jobs are there. I'd rather get paid less and work, than have no job. |
I agree with the need for more effort to help youngsters. It is screaming out for govt subsidised in job training that leaves a qualification.
The problem with the way the tax system has been used has hit employers.
So, raise taxes on employment (NI) to bring in more money. But the result is less workers and so less income plus more cost in unemployment benefits.
Result far less income.
So lets put up another tax .... |  | | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:00 - Jun 2 with 1308 views | NthQldITFC |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:34 - Jun 2 by Meadowlark |
Agreed - all except the nuclear power nonsense. This government like the one before it has been fooled by the nuclear lobby. Read the National Audit Office report. Wind generated electricity is cheaper than it's ever been and getting cheaper, but consumer prices are (bizarrely!) tied to gas pricing, so the wind farms are switched off.
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Unless we can find a storage solution, the intermittency of wind and solar means we need nuclear I think. Perhaps a massive dam and pump water uphill with excess wind/solar power and store potential energy. Pity Norfolk is flat. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:03 - Jun 2 with 1280 views | giant_stow |
I'm not sure how much more tax can be increased, personally. Many people already seem to be really stretched. I know this will win me no fans, but I think it's time to look at reducing the pensions bill - its the one thing that has been left untouched and is also an apparently massive chunk of overall govt spending.
As part of that, I'd be looking to spend far more on services, support and training for young people - the intergenerational divide seems huge. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:36 - Jun 2 with 1179 views | itfcjoe |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:03 - Jun 2 by giant_stow |
I'm not sure how much more tax can be increased, personally. Many people already seem to be really stretched. I know this will win me no fans, but I think it's time to look at reducing the pensions bill - its the one thing that has been left untouched and is also an apparently massive chunk of overall govt spending.
As part of that, I'd be looking to spend far more on services, support and training for young people - the intergenerational divide seems huge. |
Pensions and welfare simply have to be reformed (i.e, cut massively!)
The triple lock is unsustainable and needs to be removed
The welfare bill is out of control and rising
Tough decisions which no party will make | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:48 - Jun 2 with 1116 views | nrb1985 |
Sums up the issue with our politics.
As Blair mentioned in his essay - there are huge structural challenges coming down the pike in terms of AI, Demographics, Energy and resource security. (No I don't agree with everything Blair says)
Meanwhile, our politicians are talking about taxing the middle class an extra 1% here or there to fund some welfare initiative elsewhere or stopping boats or some other utter whataboutery.
Literally re arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. | | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:51 - Jun 2 with 1106 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:36 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Pensions and welfare simply have to be reformed (i.e, cut massively!)
The triple lock is unsustainable and needs to be removed
The welfare bill is out of control and rising
Tough decisions which no party will make |
You do realise that when the governments talks about the costs of pensions they include the cost to the exchequer of tax relief on pension contributions.
It isn’t just the triple lock that is pushing up cost for tax payers. They also ignore Income tax revenue on pension income. |  |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:55 - Jun 2 with 1053 views | J2BLUE |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:36 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Pensions and welfare simply have to be reformed (i.e, cut massively!)
The triple lock is unsustainable and needs to be removed
The welfare bill is out of control and rising
Tough decisions which no party will make |
We are heading for disaster. They need to be creating a plan for how to deal with AI/robotics when it takes lots of jobs. Unemployment is likely only going one way. |  | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:59 - Jun 2 with 1034 views | Radlett_blue |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:51 - Jun 2 by Pinewoodblue |
You do realise that when the governments talks about the costs of pensions they include the cost to the exchequer of tax relief on pension contributions.
It isn’t just the triple lock that is pushing up cost for tax payers. They also ignore Income tax revenue on pension income. |
What you say is true, but given that few people can live on the basic State pension, the government should not be discouraging people from saving for their pensions. Reeves will have her eye on the larger pension pots; this is more fertile ground for Labour than crucifying small businesses. | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 14:00 - Jun 2 with 1018 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:00 - Jun 2 by NthQldITFC |
Unless we can find a storage solution, the intermittency of wind and solar means we need nuclear I think. Perhaps a massive dam and pump water uphill with excess wind/solar power and store potential energy. Pity Norfolk is flat. |
Agreed, if we want to get away from fossil fuels then a nuclear base load is essential. It’s estimated it would take 10 to 30 years to build enough battery storage for the UK renewables. Then there’s the cost every time you access that stored energy so you end up with volitility of pricing like now.
France is the leading Nuclear energy power in Europe and makes tidy sums selling to the Uk. | | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 14:43 - Jun 2 with 928 views | Bangor31 |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:34 - Jun 2 by Meadowlark |
Agreed - all except the nuclear power nonsense. This government like the one before it has been fooled by the nuclear lobby. Read the National Audit Office report. Wind generated electricity is cheaper than it's ever been and getting cheaper, but consumer prices are (bizarrely!) tied to gas pricing, so the wind farms are switched off.
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It's very easy to pick the good things on a given energy source. For example, wind is getting cheaper as technology has improved and economies of scale on wind plants have increased.
few talk about the fact that N2T and B2T are being built to accommodate, primarily, the fluctuation in production from wind / solar. we pay for it via standing charges, not the power gen firms. the additional BESS creation is also solely there due to accommodate variable energy sources. so just in East Anglia you could probable account for circa 4bn in infrastructure costs that are nearly all associated with wind / solar, that are not accounted for in the price for wind.
the difficulty with energy systems is you need a based load energy provider, preferably clean, and even better one that is cheap. If you go down the route of we can only tolerate green energy, then the closest you will get is nuclear as your base with a plethora of other energy production as your top up sources e.g. wind, solar, geothermal, hydro etc
economically we have crippled ourselves on the green energy agenda due to not preparing for grid capacity and not having enough variety of variable sources.
my 2 cents. we should allow new E&P for the next 10-15 years. tax them appropriately so that we can get rid of the green levy for all businesses. decouple the price of electricity for the consumer. the tax from E&P is siloed to invest in greener energy. i'd go for nuclear as base load and repurpose redundant gas / coal for SMR's.
crux is there is always an opportunity cost, but that cost is usually pretty subjective and each person on here will have a different view. | | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:30 - Jun 2 with 847 views | ChiefXL |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 11:51 - Jun 2 by Vaughan8 |
The Increase of the minimum wages and the NI increases have caused less jobs and more unemployment. They went for the "headlines" putting up the minimum wages but it ultimately reduces jobs for people starting out.
This was pretty obvious when it happened but now people are feeling the effects and more people are on benefits.
Some employer on Radio 5live the other day said for a few £'s more an hour, he can get someone fully trained (I think he was a plumber) instead of paying a youngster minimum wage and having to train them up for presumably months and maybe years before they can go out on their own.
I know there will be the usual defenders of Labour, and say everyone deserves a decent wage, which is fine, if the jobs are there. I'd rather get paid less and work, than have no job. |
I am a usual defender of Labour and can safely say the increase of the minimum wage is one of the stupidest things any government has done in years and will only further exacerbate youth unemployment |  | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:37 - Jun 2 with 806 views | Libero |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 13:36 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Pensions and welfare simply have to be reformed (i.e, cut massively!)
The triple lock is unsustainable and needs to be removed
The welfare bill is out of control and rising
Tough decisions which no party will make |
I hear this repeatedly but how does that square away with the fact that over £19 billion means tested benefits and support for utilities goes unclaimed?
Reality is, we've a lot of sick people in the nation (lets not forget there was a mass disabling event a few years ago, dreadfully managed by the government at the time) and a hell of a lot of mentally ill people too (in part due to the hostile environment that's been created by successive governments over the last near 20 years and the absolutely p1zz poor services on offer)
When people talk about "reforming benefits" what they really mean is cuts.
So, in that context, reforming benefits just puts more of societies most vulnerable in a dreadful position. What's needed is a cultural change, they need to make work pay again and they need to tax-the-f00k out of the exact people who they've been letting exploit the United Kingdom. |  | | |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:42 - Jun 2 with 796 views | itfcjoe |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:30 - Jun 2 by ChiefXL |
I am a usual defender of Labour and can safely say the increase of the minimum wage is one of the stupidest things any government has done in years and will only further exacerbate youth unemployment |
Yep, and there is an obvious Labour way to sell not having it - i.e. protecting the rights of those trying to get into the workforce as opposed to those already there....it has ended up being a pull the ladder up behind you policy where no one will employ youngsters because why would you? | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:48 - Jun 2 with 779 views | itfcjoe |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:37 - Jun 2 by Libero |
I hear this repeatedly but how does that square away with the fact that over £19 billion means tested benefits and support for utilities goes unclaimed?
Reality is, we've a lot of sick people in the nation (lets not forget there was a mass disabling event a few years ago, dreadfully managed by the government at the time) and a hell of a lot of mentally ill people too (in part due to the hostile environment that's been created by successive governments over the last near 20 years and the absolutely p1zz poor services on offer)
When people talk about "reforming benefits" what they really mean is cuts.
So, in that context, reforming benefits just puts more of societies most vulnerable in a dreadful position. What's needed is a cultural change, they need to make work pay again and they need to tax-the-f00k out of the exact people who they've been letting exploit the United Kingdom. |
Yes, cuts are required - the system is being abused and everyone knows someone doing it.
The longer it goes on, the more likely it is when the necessary cuts are made that so many more of those genuinely in serious need get hurt so much more.
As it is we have families where both parents work and have a child who is autistic, but not severely disabled, and alongside disability benefits they get an extra £88 a week for a car through the motobility scheme. | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 16:02 - Jun 2 with 739 views | Libero |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:48 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Yes, cuts are required - the system is being abused and everyone knows someone doing it.
The longer it goes on, the more likely it is when the necessary cuts are made that so many more of those genuinely in serious need get hurt so much more.
As it is we have families where both parents work and have a child who is autistic, but not severely disabled, and alongside disability benefits they get an extra £88 a week for a car through the motobility scheme. |
Last time I checked, estimated benefit fraud is £6.5 billion, but let's go crazy and pretend it's double that, £12.5 billion, it's still under what's not being claimed that should be...
I know people who pretend to be separated when they're still living together, just so they receive a few hundred pounds extra universal credit- not going to lie, I've reported them, nothing happens.
I fear you've shown your ignorance there with your last paragraph unfortunately - in order to get that mobility car the child must be on the higher mobility rate for PIP, DLA or CDP, that isn't something you can "fake" and suggesting it is, is really harmful to disabled people.
I hear you saying "autistic but not severely disabled" and I appreciate that not everyone is going to have the insight I have as someone who previously has worked supporting autistic/disabled children, or having a high support needs autistic child- but that is one hell of a judgement call from you when you're not a medical professional and seem to have zero understanding of how exactly these benefits are awarded.
EDIT: Just looked up the figures, as wasn't sure as been a long while since I was involved in that kind of work- it's actually £9.5 billion in estimated benefit fraud, point stands.
Also worth mentioning, that this figure includes f*** ups by the DWP, of which they make plenty. Would be interested to see a breakdown of how that stacks up in there actually, but I'm only popping on here briefly to kill time between meetings. [Post edited 2 Jun 16:12]
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 16:18 - Jun 2 with 677 views | itfcjoe |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 16:02 - Jun 2 by Libero |
Last time I checked, estimated benefit fraud is £6.5 billion, but let's go crazy and pretend it's double that, £12.5 billion, it's still under what's not being claimed that should be...
I know people who pretend to be separated when they're still living together, just so they receive a few hundred pounds extra universal credit- not going to lie, I've reported them, nothing happens.
I fear you've shown your ignorance there with your last paragraph unfortunately - in order to get that mobility car the child must be on the higher mobility rate for PIP, DLA or CDP, that isn't something you can "fake" and suggesting it is, is really harmful to disabled people.
I hear you saying "autistic but not severely disabled" and I appreciate that not everyone is going to have the insight I have as someone who previously has worked supporting autistic/disabled children, or having a high support needs autistic child- but that is one hell of a judgement call from you when you're not a medical professional and seem to have zero understanding of how exactly these benefits are awarded.
EDIT: Just looked up the figures, as wasn't sure as been a long while since I was involved in that kind of work- it's actually £9.5 billion in estimated benefit fraud, point stands.
Also worth mentioning, that this figure includes f*** ups by the DWP, of which they make plenty. Would be interested to see a breakdown of how that stacks up in there actually, but I'm only popping on here briefly to kill time between meetings. [Post edited 2 Jun 16:12]
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But you can say it's ignorance, but I know of at least 3 families where both parents work, the kid is autistic but getting along fine in mainstream education to point where attendance is next to perfect and can do after school clubs, but they get that extra money to put towards what is invariably a new car every few years - in the last budget the scheme was updated to remove luxury cars and Coupe's etc from the scheme.
I also know a couple of families where child is autistic and struggles to get through school one or two days a week, meaning (in these cases) the Mum can't work, or hold down a proper 'career' type job or progress or work anywhere not close to the school and needs the car to help keep the job she has alongside being on call to pick them up etc.
Those families are receiving the same benefits, from what I understand - this is what I mean in my initial post where I say that the longer this goes on, the worse it will hit the ones truly in need of it. Both of these will get slashed and the latter families will be screwed and the former will go back to just having a bit less money but broadly be fine.
I read that autism is under diagnosed in this country, and would tend to agree with this; but if it is then what can be claimed for it needs to be scaled back somehow.
I don't really just want to focus on that, there are plenty of other cases, kids from families where they are the 3rd generation never working a day in their life, the work shy | |
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 16:35 - Jun 2 with 588 views | Libero |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 16:18 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
But you can say it's ignorance, but I know of at least 3 families where both parents work, the kid is autistic but getting along fine in mainstream education to point where attendance is next to perfect and can do after school clubs, but they get that extra money to put towards what is invariably a new car every few years - in the last budget the scheme was updated to remove luxury cars and Coupe's etc from the scheme.
I also know a couple of families where child is autistic and struggles to get through school one or two days a week, meaning (in these cases) the Mum can't work, or hold down a proper 'career' type job or progress or work anywhere not close to the school and needs the car to help keep the job she has alongside being on call to pick them up etc.
Those families are receiving the same benefits, from what I understand - this is what I mean in my initial post where I say that the longer this goes on, the worse it will hit the ones truly in need of it. Both of these will get slashed and the latter families will be screwed and the former will go back to just having a bit less money but broadly be fine.
I read that autism is under diagnosed in this country, and would tend to agree with this; but if it is then what can be claimed for it needs to be scaled back somehow.
I don't really just want to focus on that, there are plenty of other cases, kids from families where they are the 3rd generation never working a day in their life, the work shy |
I do say ignorance and your comment about autistic children "getting along fine in mainstream education" doesn't change my mind.
My boy is high support needs, he also goes to a mainstream school and beyond a few hiccups or a particularly bad week is "getting along fine" - that doesn't mean he doesn't require additional support or funding.
That funding and support is WHY he can attend a mainstream setting and continue to grow in a way that he wouldn't at an alternative provision.
You are not going to fix this country by reducing what the weakest in society is entitled to, it is already barely enough to get by.
Benefit fraud in this country is absolutely minimal and I've already pointed out how much goes unclaimed in benefits in comparison.
From all engagements I've had directly with you and read from you, I believe you to be a good, honest bloke and I'm sure there are many good, honest blokes out there who hold the views you're sharing here right now- I appreciate it won't be your active intent, but it's essentially demonising the disabled.
I respect your takes on football, I feel you have a wealth of knowledge and insight, but on this you're displaying a huge ignorance and that's not meant as an insult- I'm just speaking factually.
There is currently nowhere near enough support offered for families with autistic children and/or autistic adults, it does not need "scaling back" [Post edited 2 Jun 16:37]
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| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 17:19 - Jun 2 with 495 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Every meeting I have is: Who can we tax to pay benefits to others? on 15:48 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Yes, cuts are required - the system is being abused and everyone knows someone doing it.
The longer it goes on, the more likely it is when the necessary cuts are made that so many more of those genuinely in serious need get hurt so much more.
As it is we have families where both parents work and have a child who is autistic, but not severely disabled, and alongside disability benefits they get an extra £88 a week for a car through the motobility scheme. |
The number of dubious claims seems to be on the increase. I am aware of two examples where benefit has started this year. They both relate to attendance allowance of which I have some personal experience.
When I first looked into this, eight years ago, Spinal Injuries Association offered to help complete the 30 page application form for my wife, The offer was declined, these days there are even companies who advertise their services and only charge a fee if the claim is successful.
Attendance Allowance was granted for 3 years and another 30 page application had to be completed. When it was time to apply a third time I thought this was ridiculous and sent a letter with the form e explaining that there was no prospect of her situation ever changing for the better. They no longer give an expiry date.
I know of a guy, diagnosed with Prostate Cancer late last year, who has made a successful claim for AA yet he has since purchased a motor home and takes himself away for weeks at a time on his own, leaving his wife at home. I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t report him either.
I might add I also know people who would qualify for a number of tax free benefits but don’t because they don’t need financial help.
A reset is needed but can’t see it happening without causing serious hardship to many. | |
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