| Southampton owner does have a point... 17:04 - Jun 2 with 1700 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Not condoning the whole spygate situation, but if cheating is to be clamped down on lets look at what goes on every weekend.
Taken from the Dragan Salak interview... "On the other side, we can see on almost every game, players diving, trying to basically get a penalty or get a red card. That is not fair. And it's very simple to call this cheating because they know what they're doing, it's much, much more direct influence on the game and the result than whatever we did." |  | | |  |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:06 - Jun 2 with 1645 views | henryblue |
apples and bowling balls |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:09 - Jun 2 with 1590 views | TractorJack |
Er and when it's caught it's punished.. |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:12 - Jun 2 with 1557 views | gainsboroughblue |
There is a difference between in the heat of the moment, reactionary behaviour within a 90 minute game of football and a pre-meditated plan to travel hundreds of miles several hours or days before a fixture to intentionally spy on another club.
There is a referee on the field to determine foul play and cheating but you won't find an adjudicator sitting in a tree checking for spies.
The whatabouterry from this lot is getting right on my tits to be honest. |  |
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:15 - Jun 2 with 1519 views | redrickstuhaart |
That's what the ref and VAR are there for. Its dealt with. He is minimising. | |
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:23 - Jun 2 with 1456 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:09 - Jun 2 by TractorJack |
Er and when it's caught it's punished.. |
So you believe no one gets away with diving, or going to ground easily, feigning contact and injury? There are rarely any retrospective punishments, maybe an apology that the referee had the wool pulled over his eyes but no punishment for the 'cheat' involved,
You are watching a different game to what I am. | | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:24 - Jun 2 with 1456 views | Basuco |
No he doesn't, there is a specific rule that states that you must not spy on other teams, this is what they actually did and then attempted to hide from the EFL and FA, as they must have known it broke regulation 127. That is a bit like saying you should not be prosecuted for speeding as many drivers break the speed limit every day. |  | | |
| He doesnt have a point. on 17:34 - Jun 2 with 1371 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Hes trying to justify what they did.
In reality all cheating is wrong.
He needs to move on. [Post edited 2 Jun 17:34]
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:37 - Jun 2 with 1326 views | Garv |
He's absolutely right but no one cares, because over the course of a game or a season everyone benefits from it.
That aspect of the game will only stop when managers and clubs/fans start calling out their own players for it, and even then probably not. And they wouldn't do it anyway.
There's absolutely no point in calling out opposition players and then turning a blind eye when someone on your side does it and you get an advantage from it. Christ, Leif Davis is bloody brilliant at it.
And by the way, him being right doesn't make their punishment unjust. [Post edited 2 Jun 21:52]
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:37 - Jun 2 with 1324 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
I still want to know if Ipswich are investing in spying equipment and/or security now that we're in the Prem and this rule does not apply.
All cheating is bad. However, I'd also like action on 'accidental' outcomes that affect matches:
Decent sized shin pads.
Hairnets for those with easily caught barnets.
Spectacles for referees.
Egg-timer for VAR decisions. |  | | |
| He doesnt have a point. on 17:38 - Jun 2 with 1315 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| He doesnt have a point. on 17:34 - Jun 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Hes trying to justify what they did.
In reality all cheating is wrong.
He needs to move on. [Post edited 2 Jun 17:34]
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Indeed. The only real justification would be if they could give evidence that other clubs do it and get away with it. Since they aren't claiming that, it suggests that probably isn't the case.
Having fallen foul of the rules, they are making a mess of comms surrounding it too. |  |
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:42 - Jun 2 with 1276 views | Axeldalai_lama |
"if cheating is to be clamped down on"
You make it sound like it's absolute anarchy and they've randomly chosen to apply one rule and forget the rest. They are not clamping down on cheating, they are applying the rules of the game to incidents that happen and are brought before them.
Absolute pathetic base level response. I'd be absolutely fuming if I was a saints fan listening to all this nonsense. It's worse than kids in the playground. What about those other kids, it didn't even help anyway, everyone does it, it's not fair to punish us like this. Massive massive babies and they're running the club and sanctioning this stuff. Pathetic. |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 18:07 - Jun 2 with 1144 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 17:42 - Jun 2 by Axeldalai_lama |
"if cheating is to be clamped down on"
You make it sound like it's absolute anarchy and they've randomly chosen to apply one rule and forget the rest. They are not clamping down on cheating, they are applying the rules of the game to incidents that happen and are brought before them.
Absolute pathetic base level response. I'd be absolutely fuming if I was a saints fan listening to all this nonsense. It's worse than kids in the playground. What about those other kids, it didn't even help anyway, everyone does it, it's not fair to punish us like this. Massive massive babies and they're running the club and sanctioning this stuff. Pathetic. |
He's coming across as a bit of a whiny git over this isn't he. It's very likely he would have known about that culture in the club, but even if not he should just own it and eat some humble pie. They were caught breaking the rules. And they're lucky to get away with the relatively lenient punishment they received imo. |  |
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 18:08 - Jun 2 with 1138 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Does he have a point? Not a very good one if he does.
a) if you cheat and get caught, you get punished appropriately. It happens every matchday.
b) Southampton do the same every game - try to influence a penalty or sending off situation. They're throwing stones in a glass house with that argument.
It's frankly pathetic of Dragan (and the club and supporters), not a good point. | | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 18:42 - Jun 2 with 1016 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
Terrible take from the owner.
Calculated, systematic and most certainly pre medicated strategy to cheat over a number of weeks, months (whole season) etc.
Very diffetent to spur of the moment decision from a player on the field.. in which a Referee & VAR are in place to penalise cheating.
Closest link i can think of off top of my head is the US postal service cycling teams systematic doping programme with Lance Armstrong (not to that level) but my point still stands
Hopefully FA decide to ban Eckhart from Engkish football for 12 months |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 18:53 - Jun 2 with 983 views | armchaircritic59 |
Southampton owner is the one responsible for employing Eckert, he maybe should consider that. If anyone says he couldn't possibly have foreseen what happened, that's not an excuse. And the difference between what happened with the spying and what her refers to happening on the field of play ( few would argue with that in all honesty ) is that one is done in full sight of everyone present at the game, the other is clandestine and underhand and deliberately kept secret. Until you get caught! |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 20:25 - Jun 2 with 806 views | Churchman |
Whataboutery is hardly a defence and is utterly irrelevant to what Scumhampton did.
It was not ‘clamping down’. It was punishing a club for deliberately and repeatedly breaking written rules to gain advantage over others. In any case they received a 4 point penalty which barely makes a slap on the wrist. No punishment for me. For them to assume they’d have beaten Hull just adds arrogance to what they did.
Diving and conning the referee? A separate issue that those running the game should do something about.
That sorry shower would do well to shut up and scuttle under a rock for a few months taking that stupid badge and Chucky lookalike manager with them. |  | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 20:53 - Jun 2 with 706 views | Churchman |
One last comment. For anyone getting a little moist over Southampton’s plight, punishment, etc etc I have the following question.
Had Southampton pipped us at the post to 2nd and this stuff had come to light, do you think they or their numbskull supporters would have given a flying fat one that we might have missed out due to their deliberate cheating? Of course not. They’d have been rolling in the aisles not giving a monkeys, just as they were when they took the p£ss out of Middlesbrough at their play off games.
So why on earth should anyone, especially other Championship clubs, have a shred of pity for them? | | | |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 21:01 - Jun 2 with 672 views | StokieBlue |
He doesn't have a point.
It's a childish attempt at deflecting from their own massive wrong-doings.
Should suck it up, sack the manager and try and reconnect with the fans. I suspect a lot of fans are getting more than a bit angry at the line the club are spinning.
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 21:14 - Jun 2 with 626 views | GeoffSentence |
When he gets his own players to stop doing it then he can take the moral high ground. |  |
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| Southampton owner does have a point... on 21:24 - Jun 2 with 563 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Southampton owner does have a point... on 18:08 - Jun 2 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Does he have a point? Not a very good one if he does.
a) if you cheat and get caught, you get punished appropriately. It happens every matchday.
b) Southampton do the same every game - try to influence a penalty or sending off situation. They're throwing stones in a glass house with that argument.
It's frankly pathetic of Dragan (and the club and supporters), not a good point. |
I think we’d all agree there’s too much cheating on the pitch, er sorry, I mean simulation. That sounds much more acceptable! It’s hard to agree with the rest of his logic though. It’s like Gary Glitter deflecting onto Rolf Harris! 🙈😬 | |
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