| Next manager is all about results… 00:07 - Jun 12 with 2163 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
In the hardest league in the world. With only a handful of potential staters that can play at a the level.
Tough gig, the more I think about it, the more I think we need a bridge with experience in keeping teams up. |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 01:27 - Jun 12 with 1770 views | Illinoisblue |
Agreed. For all the talk from Ashton about how “stability is our superpower” (and from L1 to Prem it was) we may be entering a period when we get managers in for a couple seasons for specific goals and then change and grow. We need to do everything we can to not become Burnley and continually yoyo up and down. Going to be a fascinating summer ahead! |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 03:14 - Jun 12 with 1645 views | Perublue |
Kjetil Knutsen ….. FWIW is the new betting favourite.. certainly I get it and would’ve be open to it if we were a reasonably settled regular fixture in the premier league… the whole point this season no matter how ugly it is, is to stay up.. for me he doesn’t fit that. [Post edited 12 Jun 4:23]
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| Next manager is all about results… on 04:07 - Jun 12 with 1584 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Next manager is all about results… on 03:14 - Jun 12 by Perublue |
Kjetil Knutsen ….. FWIW is the new betting favourite.. certainly I get it and would’ve be open to it if we were a reasonably settled regular fixture in the premier league… the whole point this season no matter how ugly it is, is to stay up.. for me he doesn’t fit that. [Post edited 12 Jun 4:23]
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FWIW he’s had some incredible results in Europe against teams with huge budgets. | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 04:24 - Jun 12 with 1557 views | Perublue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 04:07 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
FWIW he’s had some incredible results in Europe against teams with huge budgets. |
Agreed, but the premier league is a different animal. | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 04:32 - Jun 12 with 1542 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Next manager is all about results… on 04:24 - Jun 12 by Perublue |
Agreed, but the premier league is a different animal. |
Don’t know enough about him to be honest. Encouraged that he has been linked with bigger PL clubs before but the Norwegian league isn’t comparable at all obviously. | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 06:03 - Jun 12 with 1424 views | cressi |
I agree entirely staying up is all important finding a way to win is the kind of manager we need at the present. |  | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 06:57 - Jun 12 with 1287 views | PioneerBlue |
It is entirely possible we do enter a period of repeated change now, most clubs go through several managers before landing on s good one after a good one leaves. Its not typically to consistently find the right person and go up and up and up. Arguably this is a perfect clean slate gig but with the pressure of us being certs for relegation. No room for error on selection or the new coaching side. There will likely be few successful days unless we do something like Leeds or Sunderland to build the feel good with players and fans from Aug. This is going to be bumpy. | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 07:17 - Jun 12 with 1194 views | mikeybloo88 |
A handful? Only if you’ve got small hands... |  | | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 07:26 - Jun 12 with 1160 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Next manager is all about results… on 03:14 - Jun 12 by Perublue |
Kjetil Knutsen ….. FWIW is the new betting favourite.. certainly I get it and would’ve be open to it if we were a reasonably settled regular fixture in the premier league… the whole point this season no matter how ugly it is, is to stay up.. for me he doesn’t fit that. [Post edited 12 Jun 4:23]
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Personally don't know much about Knutson, but knowing the others on that uninspiring list, he is immediately my preferred option. | | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:34 - Jun 12 with 1135 views | StokieBlue |
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't really want to change to a pragmatic or even clogging style just to stay up.
It still might not work and parachute payments are good enough now that our building would continue.
Obviously I would prefer to stay up but if that is after a year of Dyche-ball or similar is that what we really want?
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| Next manager is all about results… on 07:39 - Jun 12 with 1108 views | Dubtractor |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:34 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't really want to change to a pragmatic or even clogging style just to stay up.
It still might not work and parachute payments are good enough now that our building would continue.
Obviously I would prefer to stay up but if that is after a year of Dyche-ball or similar is that what we really want?
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Doesn't need to be dycheball tbh.
Sunderland passed the ball nicely, they have just been excellent when in defensive shape, and counter attacked quickly and effectively.
The point is we need to be effective at getting results over the line in tight games, hold the lead when we get it, work out how to nullify the teams closer to our level. We failed at all of those last time.
Fwiw I also don't want to see anti football, but I dont think it needs to be. [Post edited 12 Jun 7:43]
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| Next manager is all about results… on 07:48 - Jun 12 with 1067 views | StokieBlue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:39 - Jun 12 by Dubtractor |
Doesn't need to be dycheball tbh.
Sunderland passed the ball nicely, they have just been excellent when in defensive shape, and counter attacked quickly and effectively.
The point is we need to be effective at getting results over the line in tight games, hold the lead when we get it, work out how to nullify the teams closer to our level. We failed at all of those last time.
Fwiw I also don't want to see anti football, but I dont think it needs to be. [Post edited 12 Jun 7:43]
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But I don't think that is what he is suggesting?
I might be wrong but "need a bridge with experience in keeping teams up." would seem to imply what I've said rather than Sunderlands manager who had no PL experience?
I think we broadly agree though.
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| Next manager is all about results… on 07:54 - Jun 12 with 1036 views | nrb1985 |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:34 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't really want to change to a pragmatic or even clogging style just to stay up.
It still might not work and parachute payments are good enough now that our building would continue.
Obviously I would prefer to stay up but if that is after a year of Dyche-ball or similar is that what we really want?
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I agree with you but Joe made a good point on BM that Brighton had Hughton for a couple of seasons before moving on to Potter and RDZ et al so I’m a bit more sanguine if that’s the direction of travel.
Like you though it wouldn’t be my chosen direction of travel. | | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:57 - Jun 12 with 1020 views | Perublue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:34 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't really want to change to a pragmatic or even clogging style just to stay up.
It still might not work and parachute payments are good enough now that our building would continue.
Obviously I would prefer to stay up but if that is after a year of Dyche-ball or similar is that what we really want?
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Short term pain for long term gain though … looking at next season’s championship is quite sobering and I can only presume the following one will be even tougher.
We were fortunate to get back up this last season and 17th ( or better) is essential I believe to give us that chance to be Bournemouth,Brighton,Brentford etc initially …. Step by step. | |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:00 - Jun 12 with 1001 views | StokieBlue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:57 - Jun 12 by Perublue |
Short term pain for long term gain though … looking at next season’s championship is quite sobering and I can only presume the following one will be even tougher.
We were fortunate to get back up this last season and 17th ( or better) is essential I believe to give us that chance to be Bournemouth,Brighton,Brentford etc initially …. Step by step. |
There is no guarantee it would work though, those type of managers don't always work and then it's just pain and a squad of players who aren't going to help us get back up.
We are an attractive proposition at this point, just think we should be aiming a bit higher but we will see.
This place and PR would be very toxic if we got in this type of manager, played poor football and still lost which could easily happen.
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:08 - Jun 12 with 959 views | Churchman |
I still think we are better player wise than you think (though I’ve come round to thinking we need a better keeper), but yes, it’s all about results. And to get there we need to be more competitive with bigger, better players in the spine of the team.
It definitely is a tough gig, but also a great opportunity. Bluemonday made the point that the Ipswich job is around one of the top 40 jobs in the world. I hadn’t thought of it that way but I guess that’s true. If it is, that’s an opportunity for us and for whoever gets the gig.
I’m nervous about a hasbeen off the manager merrygoround or some bloke with an exotic name who’s gone through more clubs than a beaver through a log.
I like the idea of finding a manager that ‘gets’ the club in the way McKenna did and not just a coach. Somebody for the long term. But we are short of time and players - neither of which were a problem when KM joined.
If the club has been doing its job properly it’ll have been succession planning as an ongoing thing for some while. If so, they’ll be further down the line than is being let on.
It’ll be interesting. |  | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 08:08 - Jun 12 with 952 views | NthQldITFC |
| Next manager is all about results… on 04:32 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Don’t know enough about him to be honest. Encouraged that he has been linked with bigger PL clubs before but the Norwegian league isn’t comparable at all obviously. |
I suppose the counter to that is that while the PL is a monster, every game is different and if you have a reasonable base a details-clever manager can maybe pick off the critical games you really need to win to survive.
Not sure if that's him or not, but what I'm floundering about trying to say is that top level experience might be necessary for a mid table or higher finish, but a clever rookie might do enough to achieve survival with a less predictable and less consistent, orthodox setup. |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:17 - Jun 12 with 918 views | Guthrum |
I do think that our experience the season before last has instilled an unjustified fear of the Prem in fans.
Circumstances have changed quite a bit since then. We are no longer a free-scoring L1 outfit who pulled off something of a miracle but were then thrown in the deep end. This time we have the basis of a solid defence (personnel and philosophy), with players who went through or joined in the Prem and have had two seasons to consolidate.
We need a strengthening of experience in the spine, plus reinforcement up top and on the right. Not a completely new squad or to throw everything into defence.
After all, we won't survive with draws alone. |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:21 - Jun 12 with 874 views | Radlett_blue |
I get your point, but recruitment has to be key. We have a lot of money to spend.
Sunderland recruited well & performed amazingly with a manager who had 2 years of experience at Lorient & was sacked after relegating them in his second season.
Imagine the furore if we recruited someone like that. And no, I don't want Sean Dyche. |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:43 - Jun 12 with 783 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Yes, staying up is important, but let’s not also forget that McKenna was instrumental in rebuilding the connection between the club, the supporters and the town/county. This is what Ipswich Town always used to be, but that relationship was lost during the Evan’s years.
Of course I want a manager that has the ability to build a team that has a chance of staying up, and remaining up, but not at the price of losing that connection.
IMO if we destroy that just to stay up, then we’ve lost sight of who we are - and it’s not worth it. So many clubs have bought PL survival, and yet have become soulless husks. Is that what Ipswich town is? Not in my mind. The Manager choice is so critical - SBR, Burley and now McKenna epitomised these values (I only exclude SAR as I was too young to really understand empathetic relationships, so cannot say with direct experience that he did too).
I’m confident the Town board will find the right man, but let’s not sell our soul to the devil just for short term success - it may be impossible to recapture if we lose that connection once again. | | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 08:44 - Jun 12 with 778 views | itfcjoe |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:34 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't really want to change to a pragmatic or even clogging style just to stay up.
It still might not work and parachute payments are good enough now that our building would continue.
Obviously I would prefer to stay up but if that is after a year of Dyche-ball or similar is that what we really want?
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I'd say yes, staying up is everything now - even with regards to parachute payments - if you get relegated after 1 season you only get them for 2 years, whereas if you staty up for more than 1 you get them for 3 years......imagine what our summer would be looking like going into last season of parachute payments in the Championship and knowing income could drop £50m the following season and trying to build a squad with that in back of mind.
Obviously everyone would prefer good football, swashbuckling our way above the line - but any which way we can find ourselves above the dotted line come May is fine with me and does so much for the club |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:50 - Jun 12 with 739 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Get a good coach and give them some proper Premier League level recruitment.
We can appoint a Pragmatic, experienced manager all we want but if we don't hit on our recruitment it wont matter at all.
I'm in favour of taking an educated risk again like Mckenna was. Young coach with a high ceiling or someone from abroad who's managed at the top level before. Give them the tools and see what they can do. |  |
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:51 - Jun 12 with 722 views | StokieBlue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 08:44 - Jun 12 by itfcjoe |
I'd say yes, staying up is everything now - even with regards to parachute payments - if you get relegated after 1 season you only get them for 2 years, whereas if you staty up for more than 1 you get them for 3 years......imagine what our summer would be looking like going into last season of parachute payments in the Championship and knowing income could drop £50m the following season and trying to build a squad with that in back of mind.
Obviously everyone would prefer good football, swashbuckling our way above the line - but any which way we can find ourselves above the dotted line come May is fine with me and does so much for the club |
I just don't think getting a stalwart in guarantees staying up. It's an old argument in my view, a progressive coach or a good one without PL experience is just as likely to keep you up.
Perhaps I am wrong, we will see soon enough!
I do also think the point about toxicity is valid, lots of people get fed up very quickly nowadays if it's agricultural and we still aren't winning.
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| Next manager is all about results… on 08:55 - Jun 12 with 692 views | norfsufblue |
| Next manager is all about results… on 07:39 - Jun 12 by Dubtractor |
Doesn't need to be dycheball tbh.
Sunderland passed the ball nicely, they have just been excellent when in defensive shape, and counter attacked quickly and effectively.
The point is we need to be effective at getting results over the line in tight games, hold the lead when we get it, work out how to nullify the teams closer to our level. We failed at all of those last time.
Fwiw I also don't want to see anti football, but I dont think it needs to be. [Post edited 12 Jun 7:43]
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The point about getting results over the line is excellent. Our last foray into the Premier League could have been so much different if we had capitalised on some decent performances that didnt really generate the points they deserved. As games ran out thats when it became a slog and more disheartening and ultimately impossible. |  | | |
| Next manager is all about results… on 08:55 - Jun 12 with 694 views | NthQldITFC |
| Next manager is all about results… on 08:51 - Jun 12 by StokieBlue |
I just don't think getting a stalwart in guarantees staying up. It's an old argument in my view, a progressive coach or a good one without PL experience is just as likely to keep you up.
Perhaps I am wrong, we will see soon enough!
I do also think the point about toxicity is valid, lots of people get fed up very quickly nowadays if it's agricultural and we still aren't winning.
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