| I guess anyone could leave now 14:02 - Jun 12 with 2592 views | AVJones |
So many players were here because of KM.
Loved playing for him, believed in him, were improved by him. Including all those that were more squad players than starters.
It all starts from scratch now. |  | | |  |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:02 - Jun 12 with 2407 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
That was going to happen with or without McKenna |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:06 - Jun 12 with 2330 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Football players are used to it.
Very rare for a manager to be in one place 5 years these days. Imagine being on the Watford staff. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:07 - Jun 12 with 2326 views | Radlett_blue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:02 - Jun 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
That was going to happen with or without McKenna |
Indeed, a huge reset was always necessary this summer if we were to have any chance of staying up, with or without McKenna. What's important is that the new man can gel quickly with our recruitment & scouting team as we must recruit far better than we did in 2024. |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:23 - Jun 12 with 2151 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This can be a hugely positive thing.
There are also players who have struggled to make the impact they are capable of in the year just gone. I think most would say that even though they are our three key players, we've probably haven't seen the best of Clarke/ Philo/ Davis with them all being asked to invert at times.
That might all change now. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:24 - Jun 12 with 2143 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I don't suppose the £50k a week and premier league football does any harm either. We don't have a squad awash with players who could easily go and play regularly higher up the food chain and are only here out of loyalty to McKenna. O'Shea is perhaps the only one, but it would take a huge bid. |  | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:24 - Jun 12 with 2147 views | Steve_M |
How many players do you reckon will be keen to leave and not take a chance on playing in the Premier League? |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:26 - Jun 12 with 2121 views | IndependentlyBlue |
And anyone could arrive, depending on who’s appointed |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:26 - Jun 12 with 2120 views | bsw72 |
Why does it start from scratch - the club is in such a better position than it was before KM arrived.
We now have PL football again, more funding, improved training facilities and an opportunity to progress further.
As for players leaving - not a bad thing, we need some new players to come into the squad so we avoid the mistakes made in 24-25. |  | | |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:43 - Jun 12 with 2009 views | Radlett_blue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:23 - Jun 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
This can be a hugely positive thing.
There are also players who have struggled to make the impact they are capable of in the year just gone. I think most would say that even though they are our three key players, we've probably haven't seen the best of Clarke/ Philo/ Davis with them all being asked to invert at times.
That might all change now. |
Clarke & Philogene were 2 of our key players last season, scoring 16 & 12 goals despite each starting no more than half the games. Hard to say McKenna didn't get the best out of them.
Davis had a different season, with far fewer assists, but that was probably a result of being told not to get caught upfield so often. | |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:50 - Jun 12 with 1968 views | Churchman |
We heard all that when Cook was kicked out. Particularly regarding Morsy. Did any go because PC left? Not one.
These are professional footballers who know the score. If a Lambertesque bonehead pitches up, that may change but even then, where are they going to? |  | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:55 - Jun 12 with 1933 views | FrimleyBlue |
How many players joined because of him. He hadnt brought in players who hed managed before. Many of the players have links with ashton and other players
Of course the type of manager he is would be key and what he achieved but its not ome where players followed him to the club.
As long as the new manager has a similar coaching ability it wont really effect it as much as you think. But also we need a lot of new players anyway |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:03 - Jun 12 with 1868 views | Vaughan8 |
Most of our players haven't been at the club more than 2 years. Of those who have been longer, I'd say none are irreplaceable.
Let's not get all dramatic. Next you'll be saying we should name the training ground after McKenna..........! | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:27 - Jun 12 with 1802 views | Rimsy |
No way are these players going to give up a stint in the Pl because of a change of manager. |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 13:53 - Jun 13 with 1398 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:43 - Jun 12 by Radlett_blue |
Clarke & Philogene were 2 of our key players last season, scoring 16 & 12 goals despite each starting no more than half the games. Hard to say McKenna didn't get the best out of them.
Davis had a different season, with far fewer assists, but that was probably a result of being told not to get caught upfield so often. |
In 22/23 Clarke had 21 goal contributions (9G, 12A) no pens, 23/24 19 goal contributions (15G, 4A), 5 pens. This year 18 (16G, 2A) with 6 pens.
In 23/24 Philogene had 19 goal contributions (15G, 4A). This year 14 (12G, 2A)
They've performed well but had statistically better seasons than when they played for teams with poorer squads than us.
That's not at all to say that Mckenna was holding them back, he coached them into the system brilliantly well, but I think it's a stretch to say we have got the best out of them.
The point was really that there is a chance we could see the two of them kick of again under a new boss. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:19 - Jun 13 with 1308 views | Kropotkin123 |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 13:53 - Jun 13 by Bellevue_Blue |
In 22/23 Clarke had 21 goal contributions (9G, 12A) no pens, 23/24 19 goal contributions (15G, 4A), 5 pens. This year 18 (16G, 2A) with 6 pens.
In 23/24 Philogene had 19 goal contributions (15G, 4A). This year 14 (12G, 2A)
They've performed well but had statistically better seasons than when they played for teams with poorer squads than us.
That's not at all to say that Mckenna was holding them back, he coached them into the system brilliantly well, but I think it's a stretch to say we have got the best out of them.
The point was really that there is a chance we could see the two of them kick of again under a new boss. |
The other poster said they player half a season in the same position, so the fair comparison is 28G, 4A. So 32 goal contributions Vs 21 or 19.
Mehmeti also scored 2 from that position. Incredible that 30 goals came from that position. |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:23 - Jun 13 with 1291 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:19 - Jun 13 by Kropotkin123 |
The other poster said they player half a season in the same position, so the fair comparison is 28G, 4A. So 32 goal contributions Vs 21 or 19.
Mehmeti also scored 2 from that position. Incredible that 30 goals came from that position. |
Would have been very interesting to see how many goals would have been scored across the season had we somehow kept hold of hutchinson | |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:37 - Jun 13 with 1229 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:19 - Jun 13 by Kropotkin123 |
The other poster said they player half a season in the same position, so the fair comparison is 28G, 4A. So 32 goal contributions Vs 21 or 19.
Mehmeti also scored 2 from that position. Incredible that 30 goals came from that position. |
This is a good point!
I still feel that we never really saw the best of either consistently but appreciate others might feel differently. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:40 - Jun 13 with 1211 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
Mckenna or not we still need a new team.
Not sure how many of the current players would think they were nailed on to play 38 games in the PL no questions asked. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:45 - Jun 13 with 1183 views | Vic |
Any new manager should be bringing with them a compelling vision of how they are going to develop the team and players to become an established Prem team. If any player doesn't buy into that they need to move on - though I expect that as professional footballers all will be keen buy into the next part of the ride. |  |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:15 - Jun 13 with 1071 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 14:45 - Jun 13 by Vic |
Any new manager should be bringing with them a compelling vision of how they are going to develop the team and players to become an established Prem team. If any player doesn't buy into that they need to move on - though I expect that as professional footballers all will be keen buy into the next part of the ride. |
This is blunt, but, few if any of them will get into another premier league squad so this is likely their best chance so you would think they will be getting their heads down and making it count. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:26 - Jun 13 with 1031 views | Vic |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:15 - Jun 13 by WolfieAtTheBack |
This is blunt, but, few if any of them will get into another premier league squad so this is likely their best chance so you would think they will be getting their heads down and making it count. |
Absolutely - they wont get a better chance to impress a new manager.
As much as I'm disappointed to see KM go I do see a potential upside for the club in this - but it depends on getting the right manager in (to state the obvious!) | |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:55 - Jun 13 with 942 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 15:26 - Jun 13 by Vic |
Absolutely - they wont get a better chance to impress a new manager.
As much as I'm disappointed to see KM go I do see a potential upside for the club in this - but it depends on getting the right manager in (to state the obvious!) |
It's just a lot right now, we have a lot to do.
If we are not ready to go with a team that can win games from the first game, we will not have the luxury of say a 10 game settling in period to get going like we did this season to play catch up.
My expectations are if we stay up great, but, given so many changes it would take some doing and I think the powers that be (Ashton) need to manage the fan bases expectations as well.
I say all that and we might do a Sunderland under an unknown Argentinian under 23s coach, that's the beauty of this madness. | | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 16:10 - Jun 13 with 897 views | PioneerBlue |
Im not sure the topic deserved a down vote! It is a thought experiment and true we were already looking at significant changes.
What might be open topic now is the players we thought as starter ish for PL might be a stone to turn over by a new manager and it raises questions over how they will want to train defend attack and whether they want the same shape on the left or right. These kinds of question do raise discussion over Jaden/ Clarke or perhaps we look more like 3421 and then need a few different jigsaw pieces.
Not unreasonable to consider. It will all become clear over the coming 10 weeks whether we have a continuity manager or something a bit different. | |
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| I guess anyone could leave now on 18:18 - Jun 13 with 686 views | armchaircritic59 |
Well, they might equally love playing for whoever the new guy turns out to be. Give people a chance I say. |  | | |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 18:45 - Jun 13 with 608 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I guess anyone could leave now on 18:18 - Jun 13 by armchaircritic59 |
Well, they might equally love playing for whoever the new guy turns out to be. Give people a chance I say. |
Quite. KM was obviously a draw, but so will Klopp be. |  |
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