| OGS 07:57 - Jun 17 with 7853 views | itfctilidie |
Haven't been sold on the idea personally but having spoke to a Manc at work I'm a bit more on board. Apparently his scouting at United was really good but they didn't buy the players he identified. Scouting is obviously being an area we have lacked in so I feel as much as we need a good manager, we need one who is well connected and I guess Ole is given his history in the game |  | | |  |
| OGS on 08:00 - Jun 17 with 4625 views | Zx1988 |
It'll be interesting to see how he fares here, given previous comments by Bristol fans about Ashton's scouting/buying habits, and the suggestions that KMc didn't want any of the players that were identified for him in January. |  |
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| OGS on 08:07 - Jun 17 with 4541 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
A big plus for Ole will be his knowledge of European football. That's a well connected guy. |  |
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| OGS on 08:39 - Jun 17 with 4278 views | hype313 |
Add the fact that he didn't want the return of Ronaldo, which was a vanity signing by the hierarchy. |  |
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| OGS on 08:46 - Jun 17 with 4199 views | andyblue231 |
I suspect I’d be a bigger fan if he’d scored the winning goal in a European cup final for us.
Interested as to why these skills didn’t work at Cardiff and Besiktas. Or why no one else has sought to recruit him in the last few years. | | | |
| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 with 4169 views | DanTheMan |
Obviously if he comes, he gets my full support but frankly I'd be underwhelmed if this is who we go with.
Without the McKenna link, I struggle to see why we'd choose him. |  |
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| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 with 4159 views | Kieran_Knows |
| OGS on 08:39 - Jun 17 by hype313 |
Add the fact that he didn't want the return of Ronaldo, which was a vanity signing by the hierarchy. |
He was all set to join Man City, hence why the board acted last minute. |  |
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| OGS on 08:54 - Jun 17 with 4095 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan |
Obviously if he comes, he gets my full support but frankly I'd be underwhelmed if this is who we go with.
Without the McKenna link, I struggle to see why we'd choose him. |
100% ... if we are making decisions this big based on continuity being a factor we are in a little bit of trouble.
You'd also have to question wether the infrastructure put in place to conduct a global search is really what it's been made out to be. | | | |
| OGS on 08:57 - Jun 17 with 4062 views | soupytwist |
"Didn't buy the players he identified" but the ones he didn't have any say in signing mostly turned out to be rubbish isn't much of a recommendation to me.
What's to say that the players he identified would have been any good?
If we're after a well connected figure who is decent at scouting, offer them a job in the player recruitment department, not as first team coach. |  | | |
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| OGS on 09:17 - Jun 17 with 3841 views | tractorboy1978 |
| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan |
Obviously if he comes, he gets my full support but frankly I'd be underwhelmed if this is who we go with.
Without the McKenna link, I struggle to see why we'd choose him. |
I think you would have to trust MA's judgement if we chose to appoint him. There are probably 'sexier' options but I am not sure they come with any less risk. I really don't think there is an obvious stand-out candidate. You are looking for someone that is a good personality/cultural fit as much as anything else and someone that can fit into our structure as it stands. | | | |
| OGS on 09:21 - Jun 17 with 3771 views | nrb1985 |
| OGS on 08:46 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
I suspect I’d be a bigger fan if he’d scored the winning goal in a European cup final for us.
Interested as to why these skills didn’t work at Cardiff and Besiktas. Or why no one else has sought to recruit him in the last few years. |
Would add too that, ex Cardiff, he has only managed big clubs. Molde obviously being a reasonably big club in Norway.
We of course aren’t going to be able to set up like a “big club” next season - so I’m not sure I immediately see a transferable skill set.
Rather feels like KM was asked for his view and suggested his mate. Which is what SAF did with Moyes…
Gets my full support as Dan says but not sure this is a great fit. [Post edited 17 Jun 9:22]
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| OGS on 09:22 - Jun 17 with 3738 views | hype313 |
| OGS on 09:17 - Jun 17 by tractorboy1978 |
I think you would have to trust MA's judgement if we chose to appoint him. There are probably 'sexier' options but I am not sure they come with any less risk. I really don't think there is an obvious stand-out candidate. You are looking for someone that is a good personality/cultural fit as much as anything else and someone that can fit into our structure as it stands. |
I'm not sure there are 'Sexier' appointments available, we could gamble on McKenna 2.0 but that would be a huge risk given where we are now, compared to League One. | |
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| OGS on 09:23 - Jun 17 with 3724 views | portmanking |
| OGS on 09:17 - Jun 17 by tractorboy1978 |
I think you would have to trust MA's judgement if we chose to appoint him. There are probably 'sexier' options but I am not sure they come with any less risk. I really don't think there is an obvious stand-out candidate. You are looking for someone that is a good personality/cultural fit as much as anything else and someone that can fit into our structure as it stands. |
Is OGS a strong personality and good cultural fit? I think people are being blinded far too much about this link between him and Pert.
This appointment really does nothing for me, whatsoever.
I'm really hoping O'Neil and OGS are both red herrings, personally. | | | |
| OGS on 09:24 - Jun 17 with 3705 views | nodge_blue |
Im sure he is a good guy but his track record in recent years is non existent. I cant see Ashton getting that gut feeling he has referred to when he got KMc. Trouble is, it's hard to see who does give him that. Id prefer Rodgers to Ole. [Post edited 17 Jun 9:24]
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| OGS on 09:24 - Jun 17 with 3672 views | nrb1985 |
| OGS on 09:17 - Jun 17 by tractorboy1978 |
I think you would have to trust MA's judgement if we chose to appoint him. There are probably 'sexier' options but I am not sure they come with any less risk. I really don't think there is an obvious stand-out candidate. You are looking for someone that is a good personality/cultural fit as much as anything else and someone that can fit into our structure as it stands. |
Per my post just after yours, I would have a nagging doubt that this is more Kieran’s appointment than Ashton’s.
Might work out also might not like it didn’t with SAF suggesting Moyes. | | | |
| OGS on 09:28 - Jun 17 with 3593 views | franz_tyson |
| OGS on 08:46 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
I suspect I’d be a bigger fan if he’d scored the winning goal in a European cup final for us.
Interested as to why these skills didn’t work at Cardiff and Besiktas. Or why no one else has sought to recruit him in the last few years. |
Wouldn't his time at Cardiff be the best indicator by comparison of club size/expectations? Jobs in Norway and Man U or Besitkas don't tell us a lot.
He was cr@p at Cardiff, got them relegated and got sacked after a bad start in the Championship. In and out in 9-10 months.
He feels like a figurehead manager, like Southgate. Going off the idea of him, the more I think of it. | | | |
| OGS on 09:32 - Jun 17 with 3543 views | tractorboy1978 |
| OGS on 09:24 - Jun 17 by nrb1985 |
Per my post just after yours, I would have a nagging doubt that this is more Kieran’s appointment than Ashton’s.
Might work out also might not like it didn’t with SAF suggesting Moyes. |
Isn't that the case with anyone we appoint though? It might work, it might not. | | | |
| OGS on 09:35 - Jun 17 with 3476 views | BiGDonnie |
| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan |
Obviously if he comes, he gets my full support but frankly I'd be underwhelmed if this is who we go with.
Without the McKenna link, I struggle to see why we'd choose him. |
Really?
Premier League experience, well respected in the game, broad knowledge of European football outside of the England, will help attract higher profile players, good managerial record and knows the club and staff well.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Ole's at the wheel. |  |
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| OGS on 09:39 - Jun 17 with 3340 views | darkhorse28 |
Jesus. Yeah there’s levels of fantasy. The worst recruitment in the history of football, but if my auntie only had balls!!
They love him (as a player) he gave his career to be a sub, and scored the winner in a champions league final, he’s rightly lorded, as a player.
I’d suggest maybe more critical evaluation sees a really poor manager who actually only had excuses, it’s and buts.
We don’t know if that’s right. It probably isn’t. BUT what about Cardiff, Turkey and Norway - in all three cases HE was the big show and 100% would have been able to scout and recruit.
I’ll do the critical thinking but for you - he’s signed 48 players in his management career …, 45 of them are dreadful!!!
At EVERY club. And he shouldn’t criticise other people doing his scouting at Utd because Bruno is one of the few exceptions, and he didn’t scout him then, his record where he was in charge of recruitment is even worse than the Utd recruitment that killed a club.
Can’t believe you’d believe a Utd fan on Ole - it’s like asking you about John Warks management skills - probably Pep if he got a chance, legend!! WAKE UP
Such a lazy, terrible appointment with zero merit and just status, ALL that is wrong with having one mans ego run a football club.
You can go and look at Oles signings on transfer market anytime you wish, lots of time now to judge his signings careers…, you can save the time 95% missed and mostly dreadful, worse the more control he had!!!
Ask the Utd fan why that’s! …, maybe he’ll mumble something something champions league goal.
If we were signing the player, brilliant, great player for sure, manager 1/10…., and opposite of McKenna .., isn’t hungry because she had all the success in the world as a player …, he’s failed, failed, failed, then he failed again.
We have elite status and resources, this would be a pathetic appointment, lazy decision making, and even if he did well, shows where we are as a club.., and it’s not elite.
We won’t get 15 points with Ole.., dreadful. | | | |
| OGS on 09:41 - Jun 17 with 3344 views | nrb1985 |
| OGS on 09:32 - Jun 17 by tractorboy1978 |
Isn't that the case with anyone we appoint though? It might work, it might not. |
Rather misses the point.
While you're not wrong, you'd like to think the starting point for the successful candidate is based on their aptitude for the job, not because they know the departing coach and some existing staff.
Aside from that, I can't see much transferrable experience or skills from coaching Man Utd, Molde and Besiktas that are going to help us next season.
Other than the link to KM and Pert et al, I don't think he'd be on anybody's bingo card. [Post edited 17 Jun 9:45]
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| OGS on 09:42 - Jun 17 with 3343 views | AljoBlue |
Worryingly the Ashley Young talksport interview reminds me very much of the Roy Keane era with us. Both famous players under Ferguson, and both copied his managerial style in the dressing room - ruling by fear. If what Ashley Young says is true, and why would he know less than us fans, this would be a polar opposite manager to Kieran. Add in OGS will, like Keane, have to work with vastly lower ability players here, than he had at Man Utd, and where he had 2 of the most outstanding young coaches in the premier league doing the coaching for him. I could not be more underwhelmed by this. |  | | |
| OGS on 09:44 - Jun 17 with 3293 views | nrb1985 |
| OGS on 09:42 - Jun 17 by AljoBlue |
Worryingly the Ashley Young talksport interview reminds me very much of the Roy Keane era with us. Both famous players under Ferguson, and both copied his managerial style in the dressing room - ruling by fear. If what Ashley Young says is true, and why would he know less than us fans, this would be a polar opposite manager to Kieran. Add in OGS will, like Keane, have to work with vastly lower ability players here, than he had at Man Utd, and where he had 2 of the most outstanding young coaches in the premier league doing the coaching for him. I could not be more underwhelmed by this. |
Yeah agree.
Just not much at all in the way of synergies with us and him other than the links to existing personnel. | | | |
| OGS on 09:44 - Jun 17 with 3294 views | ITFC1977 |
| OGS on 08:57 - Jun 17 by soupytwist |
"Didn't buy the players he identified" but the ones he didn't have any say in signing mostly turned out to be rubbish isn't much of a recommendation to me.
What's to say that the players he identified would have been any good?
If we're after a well connected figure who is decent at scouting, offer them a job in the player recruitment department, not as first team coach. |
He suggested they buy Haaland before he made his Salzburg debut, wanted Kane but Man U said he was too old, Declan rice whilst at West Ham, caicedo but was told they need players premier league ready and Jude Bellingham whilst he was at Birmingham.
I think we could confidently say they would have been half decent. | | | |
| OGS on 09:52 - Jun 17 with 3184 views | tractorboy1978 |
| OGS on 09:41 - Jun 17 by nrb1985 |
Rather misses the point.
While you're not wrong, you'd like to think the starting point for the successful candidate is based on their aptitude for the job, not because they know the departing coach and some existing staff.
Aside from that, I can't see much transferrable experience or skills from coaching Man Utd, Molde and Besiktas that are going to help us next season.
Other than the link to KM and Pert et al, I don't think he'd be on anybody's bingo card. [Post edited 17 Jun 9:45]
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I'm not necessarily a big Ole champion for the job but I can see more logic than some people can.
To play devil's advocate, would Brendan Rodgers have transferable skills? Swansea was a long time ago and the only time he has been in a relegation fight in the last 15 years (with a squad that should never have been there might I add) he got relegated. | | | |
| OGS on 10:20 - Jun 17 with 2939 views | nrb1985 |
| OGS on 09:52 - Jun 17 by tractorboy1978 |
I'm not necessarily a big Ole champion for the job but I can see more logic than some people can.
To play devil's advocate, would Brendan Rodgers have transferable skills? Swansea was a long time ago and the only time he has been in a relegation fight in the last 15 years (with a squad that should never have been there might I add) he got relegated. |
I can see the logic.
Seems a nice bloke and already knows the key men in the setup - which isn't unimportant. I just think other than that there's not much else going for him.
Re Rodgers - he's not for me but I think he'd be a better fit than Ole. He's more of a "coach" at least. Neither are for me tbh but I'd choose Rodgers over OGS.
If we are going with just the names out there then O'Neill, Corberan or Barry would both be more preferrable than the above for me. | | | |
| OGS on 10:33 - Jun 17 with 2787 views | carlo88 |
Have to confess I'm not really bothered who we employ. I was expecting to be relegated unfortunately with Kieran or anyone else in charge so anything else is a bonus. |  | | |
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