| Controversial I know. 09:49 - Jul 5 with 7690 views | OldFart71 |
Yes I am aware that it's controversial. Probably classed as sexist, but I dislike women commentators/pundits in football.
Before anyone says I don't believe a woman's place is either in the kitchen or the bedroom. They have every right to be on a par with men in any aspect of life. |  | | |  |
| Controversial I know. on 09:52 - Jul 5 with 4406 views | bsw72 |
Can I ask why? Not liking something is not controversial, it’s the reason why that can be controversial. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 10:05 - Jul 5 with 4291 views | NBVJohn |
| Controversial I know. on 09:52 - Jul 5 by bsw72 |
Can I ask why? Not liking something is not controversial, it’s the reason why that can be controversial. |
That's an important question.
I felt uncomfortable about how irritating I found them, and then I quickly realised that I don't find them any more or less irritating then the male pundits and commentators.
Increasingly I watch games with the sound off. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 10:10 - Jul 5 with 4248 views | Mullet |
Some are good, some are ok, some are sh1t just like the men. The fact that they’re women which bothers you is sexist though. There’s not a debate about that. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 10:18 - Jul 5 with 4155 views | Trequartista |
Why? I hardly notice it nowadays. Commentators certainly I can't see any reason - you could argue pundits need to have played at a certain level but I've never noticed male England international players having extra wisdom. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 with 4086 views | Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 10:35 - Jul 5 with 4027 views | andyblue231 |
Personally I don’t like black commentators or pundits. It’s not racism though.
I also slam the tv off when Tim Vickery and Balague come on. I don’t care how good they are, They’ve played the game at an even lower level than Karen Carney.
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| Controversial I know. on 10:36 - Jul 5 with 4017 views | CaptainAhab |
Not for me.. Danny Mills is far worse than any of the women. Seems like most of the female commentators have a very good tactical knowledge of the game, far moreso than lots of their male counterparts.. Hopefully jobs for the boys will be a thing of the past and the blokes will have to up their game to get the gig too. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 10:42 - Jul 5 with 3935 views | andyblue231 |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
Another thread discussing women. They can’t do anything without hundred of messages debating them.
Your wife not liking them just proves the job patriarchy has done. It becomes an internalised value system.
A lot of men hate women. More than you’d think and people you know. As soon as they do anything they don’t like it starts to come out. There’s a bunch of justifications but ultimately there’s just this kernel of irritation when some men see women doing things. Part
Of the brain stem lights up.
As men we have to work harder. Cos we are currently creating a rotten world. This threads isn’t helping. | | | |
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| Controversial I know. on 10:56 - Jul 5 with 3822 views | Ryorry |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
I've downvoted you for "How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?"
but as you say, it's an interesting question, and rather weirdly I'm not a big fan of them either, which personally I put down to their inevitably generally higher-pitched voices - I find lower tones more comfortable, less hard on the ear - but also, I do think there is a familiarity factor. It's a question of what you're used to, what you grew up with - it takes time to adjust & become as comfortable & used to what's new as you are with what's decades old for you.
Having said that, I'm a lot happier with some of the female commentators than some of the males who come out with nothing but the obvious & trite cliches! |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:04 - Jul 5 with 3750 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 10:42 - Jul 5 by andyblue231 |
Another thread discussing women. They can’t do anything without hundred of messages debating them.
Your wife not liking them just proves the job patriarchy has done. It becomes an internalised value system.
A lot of men hate women. More than you’d think and people you know. As soon as they do anything they don’t like it starts to come out. There’s a bunch of justifications but ultimately there’s just this kernel of irritation when some men see women doing things. Part
Of the brain stem lights up.
As men we have to work harder. Cos we are currently creating a rotten world. This threads isn’t helping. |
The OP posed an interesting question. Nothing more.
Mrs C doesn’t like blokes commentating on certain women’s’ sports either for the same reason I gave in the other post. It has nothing to do with a paternal society and her preference is more to do with understanding what they are looking at/expertise than pure gender. Women’s football is different to men’s - it’s as simple as that.
A lot of people hate. It’s not restricted to sex or anything else. Less or more than in the past? One for debate, but it’s a very different world now to say 50 years ago, WW1 and 2 before that where opportunities for women were far more restrictive than they are now. It’s been a long journey and a long way to go (equal pay etc) on so many things.
As it goes I think threads like this do help. Discussing things openly always does. The sort of judgement of your third paragraph in my view doesn’t. The discussion may change minds or otherwise but it’ll do no harm. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:05 - Jul 5 with 3751 views | chicoazul |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
Tell me you’re sexist without telling me you’re sexist. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:07 - Jul 5 with 3724 views | chicoazul |
| Controversial I know. on 11:04 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
The OP posed an interesting question. Nothing more.
Mrs C doesn’t like blokes commentating on certain women’s’ sports either for the same reason I gave in the other post. It has nothing to do with a paternal society and her preference is more to do with understanding what they are looking at/expertise than pure gender. Women’s football is different to men’s - it’s as simple as that.
A lot of people hate. It’s not restricted to sex or anything else. Less or more than in the past? One for debate, but it’s a very different world now to say 50 years ago, WW1 and 2 before that where opportunities for women were far more restrictive than they are now. It’s been a long journey and a long way to go (equal pay etc) on so many things.
As it goes I think threads like this do help. Discussing things openly always does. The sort of judgement of your third paragraph in my view doesn’t. The discussion may change minds or otherwise but it’ll do no harm. |
How is it different? It’s the same sport with the same rules played in the same way by footballers. How is it different? | |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:07 - Jul 5 with 3726 views | flykickingbybgunn |
I have no opinion about commentaters unless it is about are they any good.
Sex, colour, or anything else is irrelevent.
The only one that I am against is Chris Sutton. I cant think why. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:08 - Jul 5 with 3705 views | Ryorry |
| Controversial I know. on 11:04 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
The OP posed an interesting question. Nothing more.
Mrs C doesn’t like blokes commentating on certain women’s’ sports either for the same reason I gave in the other post. It has nothing to do with a paternal society and her preference is more to do with understanding what they are looking at/expertise than pure gender. Women’s football is different to men’s - it’s as simple as that.
A lot of people hate. It’s not restricted to sex or anything else. Less or more than in the past? One for debate, but it’s a very different world now to say 50 years ago, WW1 and 2 before that where opportunities for women were far more restrictive than they are now. It’s been a long journey and a long way to go (equal pay etc) on so many things.
As it goes I think threads like this do help. Discussing things openly always does. The sort of judgement of your third paragraph in my view doesn’t. The discussion may change minds or otherwise but it’ll do no harm. |
Completely agree re open & honest discussions like this helping 👍 | |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:13 - Jul 5 with 3643 views | MattinLondon |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
Your second paragraph is nonsense.
Same pitch dimensions, same ball size, same goal post size etc etc. Everything about the woman’s game (on the pitch) is the same as the men’s. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:18 - Jul 5 with 3613 views | Trequartista |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
"How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?"
In the same way that many top managers have never played top level football. It's not a sexist argument you are making above, I just feel there is no evidence to back it up. Does Wayne Rooney really have more tactical insight than Emma Hayes? I just don't see it. [Post edited 5 Jul 11:18]
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| Controversial I know. on 11:18 - Jul 5 with 3590 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 11:13 - Jul 5 by MattinLondon |
Your second paragraph is nonsense.
Same pitch dimensions, same ball size, same goal post size etc etc. Everything about the woman’s game (on the pitch) is the same as the men’s. |
Apart from pace, physicality. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:19 - Jul 5 with 3582 views | lazyblue |
I don’t think is necessary either , it’s purely box ticking and honestly it doesn’t work as well particularly for match commentary. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:19 - Jul 5 with 3587 views | Libero |
Shout out to the old boys showing their whole arse to the forum, in this thread. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:19 - Jul 5 with 3577 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 11:05 - Jul 5 by chicoazul |
Tell me you’re sexist without telling me you’re sexist. |
You’ve lost me on that one. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:23 - Jul 5 with 3494 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 10:35 - Jul 5 by andyblue231 |
Personally I don’t like black commentators or pundits. It’s not racism though.
I also slam the tv off when Tim Vickery and Balague come on. I don’t care how good they are, They’ve played the game at an even lower level than Karen Carney.
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Sorry, I really don’t understand your first sentence.
The OP raised an interesting question for discussion around women commentating on a men’s team sport. That’s all. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:25 - Jul 5 with 3471 views | MattinLondon |
| Controversial I know. on 11:18 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Apart from pace, physicality. |
But there are differences between pace and physicality between the PL and the championship but it’s still fundamentally the same game. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 11:31 - Jul 5 with 3437 views | chicoazul |
| Controversial I know. on 11:18 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Apart from pace, physicality. |
So the Champions League final is a different sport from Felixstowe v Sudbury. Except it isn’t , is it. | |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:34 - Jul 5 with 3413 views | stickymockwell |
| Controversial I know. on 11:19 - Jul 5 by Libero |
Shout out to the old boys showing their whole arse to the forum, in this thread. |
I like womens arses more than mens arses. I think I might be sexist. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 11:37 - Jul 5 with 3383 views | stickymockwell |
| Controversial I know. on 11:34 - Jul 5 by stickymockwell |
I like womens arses more than mens arses. I think I might be sexist. |
Anyone who prefers to listen to Giroud or Rooney needs their head checking | |
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