| New Agent for Philogene 06:58 - Jul 8 with 9961 views | FrimleyBlue |
What we thinking, £40 mill?
if we thought the old agent was fun, this lot are a different level, the father was known for getting the maximum for his clients. Rumours of clubs abroad being interested. I think we would be very lucky to see him start for us in August [Post edited 8 Jul 7:04]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:47 - Jul 8 with 1130 views | southnorfolkblue |
30 mill tops I reckon. He’s a proven top end Championship player but is unproven at the next level. I don’t see anyone paying 40 for him tbh. It’s probably what our opening gambit would be to any prospective purchaser, but I’d be staggered if anyone was prepared to pay that. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:52 - Jul 8 with 1104 views | portmanking |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:43 - Jul 8 by football |
Maybe he just doesnt like his current agent? |
You don't pay Fabrizio Romano to advertise his switch to the Raiola's if there's zero interest in a move elsewhere.
I don't blame him either. He has zero attachment to us. He's been good to us and vice versa. But do I see him being part of the next big chapter to stabilise? Honestly, no. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:56 - Jul 8 with 1084 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Eek. We were already looking at needing at least 10 new players and that was before losing any of the better players from the current squad. A lot of work to be done... |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 11:00 - Jul 8 with 1040 views | Dubtractor |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:52 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
You don't pay Fabrizio Romano to advertise his switch to the Raiola's if there's zero interest in a move elsewhere.
I don't blame him either. He has zero attachment to us. He's been good to us and vice versa. But do I see him being part of the next big chapter to stabilise? Honestly, no. |
Yep. Whilst I think losing him would give us a headache, this is clearly about him and his agent hawking him to the market. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 11:00 - Jul 8 with 1035 views | greeneking24 |
Surely we want to keep our best players. An injury free Jaden played in the right position. Very happy with Clarke and Philogene on the left in the prem.
Not sure we could attract better for the money in that position.
Change of agent might be because he was pissed off with him after the delays he caused signing for us and this is the first opportunity to change. End of agent contract. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:11 - Jul 8 with 959 views | grow_our_own |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:56 - Jul 8 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Eek. We were already looking at needing at least 10 new players and that was before losing any of the better players from the current squad. A lot of work to be done... |
Indeed, I'd expect the work to strengthen attacking areas this summer to have begun by now. If we sign a striker, but seem certain to lose our best attacking midfielder, then we haven't moved forward at all. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:13 - Jul 8 with 954 views | FrimleyBlue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:11 - Jul 8 by grow_our_own |
Indeed, I'd expect the work to strengthen attacking areas this summer to have begun by now. If we sign a striker, but seem certain to lose our best attacking midfielder, then we haven't moved forward at all. |
not quite
We need a striker, if we sign one, we've moved forwards
Depending on how O'neil wants to play, we may lose a player who might not suit our new style, bring in a nice bit of cash whilst doing so.
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| New Agent for Philogene on 11:24 - Jul 8 with 888 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Real strange one this.
Which clubs would realistically be an upgrade for him this season? I can't see established PL clubs bidding for him, nor top continental clubs who could realistically offer what we would want?
Unless we are prepared to take as little as £25m but add a huge sell on percentage. There's little point to keeping a player whose heart is not in the current job though, and we may decide to move him on to facilitate a bigger available spend.
Pity because he's one of those players who gets you off your seat in anticipation. And despite him being an introvert I did feel he had at last bonded with the fans last season. | | | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 11:33 - Jul 8 with 854 views | berkstractorboy |
We would be mad to let him go if he wanted to stay, but his heart isn't in Ipswich and most of us could see that last season. He was functional, did his job, and did it very well a lot of the time, but there doesn't look to be the emotional attachment many players get.
You can't keep a player who doesn't want to be here, it's disruptive and you don't get the best version of the player. All the actions are of a player keen on a move and I am sure MA and GON know it already (and maybe KMc did).
As with everything make it happen quickly. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:34 - Jul 8 with 840 views | sibrespace |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:41 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's great at finishing but most of his goals are not the kind of transition goals we will need to be scoring this season. They are sustained attacking pressure, find a bit of space and bend it into the corner goals.
We butchered counter after counter this season and that is something we simply have to fix this season. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:46]
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I think I’m right that we had one of the highest possession percentage stats last season? Which explains why most of his goals were as a result of sustained pressure. That doesn’t mean he can’t be effective on the transition. I think you’re looking for a player that either doesn’t exist or is out of our reach if the definition is to be as good as Philogene but even better on the break. The challenge is not to upgrade him but rather to upgrade the rest of the team to his level IMHO. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:37 - Jul 8 with 830 views | jayessess |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:00 - Jul 8 by Dubtractor |
Yep. Whilst I think losing him would give us a headache, this is clearly about him and his agent hawking him to the market. |
thing is I can't see that there is a serious market for him. What category of club is in the venn diagram of "pays £30m + matches PL wages" and "would be interested"?
That kind of money you'd need a Champions League club in Germany or Spain. In Italy that fee is basically Milan, Juve, Inter or Napoli. Galatasaray? Would be the 2nd-biggest fee they'd ever paid. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 11:57 - Jul 8 with 767 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:34 - Jul 8 by sibrespace |
I think I’m right that we had one of the highest possession percentage stats last season? Which explains why most of his goals were as a result of sustained pressure. That doesn’t mean he can’t be effective on the transition. I think you’re looking for a player that either doesn’t exist or is out of our reach if the definition is to be as good as Philogene but even better on the break. The challenge is not to upgrade him but rather to upgrade the rest of the team to his level IMHO. |
I think this lacks to context of the overall thread.
Philogene wants to leave. It's why he's moved agent and it's why they are paying Romano to tweet things like 'might be on the move this summer'. Forget about us 'trying to upgrade him', he wants to go.
Of course he can be effective on the transition but the realities of how he plays means he is much more effective for a ball dominant team.
So my point was simply, if he does go then I dont think we lose that much as we certainly wont be that team this season. We could swap him out for someone who is more of a counter threat with possibly less quality in tight spaces and become a more effective relegation battling team. And you'd still have other players capable of playing in tight spaces with Clarke and Mehmeti. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:00 - Jul 8 with 764 views | Illinoisblue |
Reminds me to ask; the singing bus driver on the promotion video, was his line “cheer up Philogene” a dig at Jaden? Seems like JP is known as a shy quiet kid who just wants to play football. In which case digging him out is uncalled for.
Whatever, 50million should be the starting price for any discussion. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:00 - Jul 8 with 759 views | homer_123 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:33 - Jul 8 by berkstractorboy |
We would be mad to let him go if he wanted to stay, but his heart isn't in Ipswich and most of us could see that last season. He was functional, did his job, and did it very well a lot of the time, but there doesn't look to be the emotional attachment many players get.
You can't keep a player who doesn't want to be here, it's disruptive and you don't get the best version of the player. All the actions are of a player keen on a move and I am sure MA and GON know it already (and maybe KMc did).
As with everything make it happen quickly. |
I would say that there is 'zero' evidence his heart isn't in Ipswich. There is nothing to suggest he is any less emotionally attached to the Club than any other player.
As has been well documented. He's a quiet lad, seems to keep his own counsel etc. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:08 - Jul 8 with 718 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:00 - Jul 8 by homer_123 |
I would say that there is 'zero' evidence his heart isn't in Ipswich. There is nothing to suggest he is any less emotionally attached to the Club than any other player.
As has been well documented. He's a quiet lad, seems to keep his own counsel etc. |
Innit. This narrative winds me up. Not everyone wants to be the centre of attention, fist pumping the north stand after a game or hanging over the balcony at Isaac's. And that's OK. He's quieter, unassuming, it doesn't mean he cares any less about the outcome.
Maybe if Nunez concentrated less on the performative bOll0cks and being the panto villain at Carrow Road he might've provided a match winning contribution like Philogene did. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:18 - Jul 8 with 678 views | sibrespace |
| New Agent for Philogene on 11:57 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
I think this lacks to context of the overall thread.
Philogene wants to leave. It's why he's moved agent and it's why they are paying Romano to tweet things like 'might be on the move this summer'. Forget about us 'trying to upgrade him', he wants to go.
Of course he can be effective on the transition but the realities of how he plays means he is much more effective for a ball dominant team.
So my point was simply, if he does go then I dont think we lose that much as we certainly wont be that team this season. We could swap him out for someone who is more of a counter threat with possibly less quality in tight spaces and become a more effective relegation battling team. And you'd still have other players capable of playing in tight spaces with Clarke and Mehmeti. |
If he goes (which I agree it looks like he might), we will be losing our best attacking player (my opinion). You suggest we can replace with a player with less quality? I disagree.
We’ve seen Jack Clarke in the PL. It didn’t go well, but I’m sure he will have a point to prove. Can he do it? He doesn’t have PL pace or physicality.
If JP departs we may need a complete rebuild on our left side, which will add further risk to our season. There’s a narrative on this thread that it doesn’t really matter if we lose our best player and best finisher. I think it makes the task of staying up a lot harder. Clarke and Mehmeti are not adequate replacements for him at that level.
Final point - he hasn’t said he wants to leave, and changing agents could be mainly about renegotiating his contract with us to get a better deal. The social media post puts it onto the club’s agenda. Doesn’t mean he will necessarily leave. [Post edited 8 Jul 12:19]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:20 - Jul 8 with 666 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:00 - Jul 8 by homer_123 |
I would say that there is 'zero' evidence his heart isn't in Ipswich. There is nothing to suggest he is any less emotionally attached to the Club than any other player.
As has been well documented. He's a quiet lad, seems to keep his own counsel etc. |
When we talk about emotional attachment, I don't think it's as black and white as either you are or you aren't. But I do think it's pretty clear Ipswich has always been viewed as a stepping stone, as evidenced by the tweet below.
There's nothing wrong with that either. It's the reality of modern football. Equally, you don't usually change agency and publicise it if your heart is really on helping your club stay in the Prem.
He wants to get to the top and we are a small part of that journey.
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:22 - Jul 8 with 650 views | JeremiahBrown |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
Fair enough, I was under the impression that Jaden was £22m for some reason.
On your final paragraph, I think that underlines why I think his career will be a nomadic one. He's a genuine enigma. The classic Mick McCarthy quote 'world beater or panel beater'.
I would imagine GON and Ashton would accept £30m if his heart genuinely isn't in the season here.
I know the Turkish interest was really strong over the last 12 months. He may even see that as a different adventure, especially if he can get a move to a Turkish outfit playing European football.
The Raiola's don't hang around though. So, I imagine his days in Suffolk are 100% numbered. |
I always assumed the initial Turkish interest was because Ole Gunnar Solskjaer worked at Turkish club Beşiktaş and he would have known about Philogene, as he took an interest in Ipswich due to being friends with Mckenna. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:25 - Jul 8 with 631 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:18 - Jul 8 by sibrespace |
If he goes (which I agree it looks like he might), we will be losing our best attacking player (my opinion). You suggest we can replace with a player with less quality? I disagree.
We’ve seen Jack Clarke in the PL. It didn’t go well, but I’m sure he will have a point to prove. Can he do it? He doesn’t have PL pace or physicality.
If JP departs we may need a complete rebuild on our left side, which will add further risk to our season. There’s a narrative on this thread that it doesn’t really matter if we lose our best player and best finisher. I think it makes the task of staying up a lot harder. Clarke and Mehmeti are not adequate replacements for him at that level.
Final point - he hasn’t said he wants to leave, and changing agents could be mainly about renegotiating his contract with us to get a better deal. The social media post puts it onto the club’s agenda. Doesn’t mean he will necessarily leave. [Post edited 8 Jul 12:19]
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Fabrizo (not sure how you spell it) is as well as a football fans delight to get ITK gossip he is also an agents best friend, his platforms are very much football industry focused.
I work in a similar sort of set up and if you get a new client / artist / player you announce it to show off as well as make sure the people who you want to know, know. In this instance any suitors of the player know there is a conversation to be had under his new representation.
If he was my client I would keep him at Ipswich until January then move him on, if he does well he will be worth more, he is does rubbish we get him the hell out of the there to Europe on loan then start again next summer to make as much % as possible.
Sadly, this is how it works. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:25 - Jul 8 with 631 views | FrimleyBlue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:20 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
When we talk about emotional attachment, I don't think it's as black and white as either you are or you aren't. But I do think it's pretty clear Ipswich has always been viewed as a stepping stone, as evidenced by the tweet below.
There's nothing wrong with that either. It's the reality of modern football. Equally, you don't usually change agency and publicise it if your heart is really on helping your club stay in the Prem.
He wants to get to the top and we are a small part of that journey.
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Barca turned down Rashford to get Jayden as Gordan cover............ | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:27 - Jul 8 with 624 views | homer_123 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:20 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
When we talk about emotional attachment, I don't think it's as black and white as either you are or you aren't. But I do think it's pretty clear Ipswich has always been viewed as a stepping stone, as evidenced by the tweet below.
There's nothing wrong with that either. It's the reality of modern football. Equally, you don't usually change agency and publicise it if your heart is really on helping your club stay in the Prem.
He wants to get to the top and we are a small part of that journey.
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So, then, surely, he's absolutely emotionally invested in doing the best he can for Ipswich, as it serves his best interest? | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:37 - Jul 8 with 541 views | JeremiahBrown |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:12 - Jul 8 by Guthrum |
Yes, if it's a positive move, trading shooting ability for pace if that's what O'Neil wants, then OK. But we'd need to find goals from somewhere else.
As I said elsewhere, it's taking a risk on a new signing, rather than utilising the talent we already have. |
Yes I agree, but that is if we can even get a good new signing. Anyone really good will be wanted by higher up the league and we will probably miss out. We seem to be struggling to get the signings we want now, without another one to have to find. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:40 - Jul 8 with 532 views | bartyg |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:20 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
When we talk about emotional attachment, I don't think it's as black and white as either you are or you aren't. But I do think it's pretty clear Ipswich has always been viewed as a stepping stone, as evidenced by the tweet below.
There's nothing wrong with that either. It's the reality of modern football. Equally, you don't usually change agency and publicise it if your heart is really on helping your club stay in the Prem.
He wants to get to the top and we are a small part of that journey.
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At some point he's going to need to have realistic expectations. He wasn't good enough at Villa, and didn't have enough interest overseas from other clubs playing in European competitions. If he's waiting for a breakout season that gets him on top 10 clubs in the world radar then he's about 6 years too late (for a winger). |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 12:48 - Jul 8 with 483 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:20 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
When we talk about emotional attachment, I don't think it's as black and white as either you are or you aren't. But I do think it's pretty clear Ipswich has always been viewed as a stepping stone, as evidenced by the tweet below.
There's nothing wrong with that either. It's the reality of modern football. Equally, you don't usually change agency and publicise it if your heart is really on helping your club stay in the Prem.
He wants to get to the top and we are a small part of that journey.
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Its the way of the world. We laud a guy who left Norwich for us because it was his better chance of premier league football. He wouldn't have done it 2 years earlier. Hutchinson downed tools and refused to play to force his move, Delap was whoring himself out and talking to clubs from the March when we were about to be relegated. People want him back, and they're not necessarily wrong.
That's not to say a genuine affinity can't develop over time, and it does, but nobody signs for us initially because they grew up idolising Jon Stead. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:52 - Jul 8 with 429 views | jayessess |
| New Agent for Philogene on 12:22 - Jul 8 by JeremiahBrown |
I always assumed the initial Turkish interest was because Ole Gunnar Solskjaer worked at Turkish club Beşiktaş and he would have known about Philogene, as he took an interest in Ipswich due to being friends with Mckenna. |
Think you can get some very favourable wages in Turkey because of the tax regime but Besiktas won't be in a position to pay the fee we'd ask. | |
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