| Ann Widdecombe 16:51 - Jul 21 with 9434 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hit over the head with a hammer 21 times.
Regardless of one's views of her religious beliefs, no one deserves to go like that. Sickening. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:11 - Jul 22 with 992 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:04 - Jul 22 by bartyg |
"Vile specimen" - words that if I had used in relation to a certain homophobic politician would've resulted in abuse being reported, I imagine. |
I don't think many would take issue with those words being used towards AW, considering her views on same sex relationships. Although it would be a little crass in the wake of her death.
One poster who I am acquainted with described AW as a vile bigot. AW's out dated religious views on same sex relationships make the lives of people like my daughter harder then they should be. I have no time for homophobia, whether it be genuine hatred of the LBGTQ community or simply a by product of religious views.
Calling you a vile specimen is based on your post celebrating the death of AW by saying newsof her passing had put a spring in your step and set you up nicely for the weekend. I'm amazed that you are still doubling down on that and trying to create false equivalence between the words I have usd to describe you and the words you used in relation to hearing AW had passed. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:18]
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:11 - Jul 22 with 990 views | MattinLondon |
| Ann Widdecombe on 16:11 - Jul 22 by balcombeblue |
I didn't say it did, but Proctor was supported publicly.
If only Widdecombe was as unblemished and pure as all of us hey? |
I’m not sure that anyone on here has claimed to be unblemished- everyone has some sort of character flaw or prejudice.
However, Widdecombe was a dreadful person whose voting record and views promoted inequality and bigotry. That being said, anyone who is quite conservative in their outlook or uses a highly selected interpretation of the bible to justify their homophobia would’ve viewed her differently.
The fact that she was charming to her friends etc isn’t out of the ordinary as most people are not entirely bad. And no one deserves to be murdered for their political views. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:28]
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:12 - Jul 22 with 989 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:02 - Jul 22 by Ryorry |
What hypocrisy. Look at your own list of OPs. |
Come on Ryorry, let's be honest. BDS has only weighed in because of who posted the OP. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:16 - Jul 22 with 944 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:12 - Jul 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Come on Ryorry, let's be honest. BDS has only weighed in because of who posted the OP. |
The irony being that I have had BDS on ignore for the best part of a year and can't see what he has posted. Nor do I have any wish to. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:16]
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:18 - Jul 22 with 925 views | lowhouseblue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:10 - Jul 22 by Churchman |
There were plenty of posters revelling in her death. One particular hero posted on the first page just two words. ‘Ding Dong’. We know the rest given the thread was not about Big Ben. They were glad she was dead. Pure and simple.
There was some backtracking and silence when the horrific nature of how she died was revealed, but let’s face it, a percentage enjoyed the news when it was first announced and that cannot be taken back because a piece of sht hit her 21 times with a hammer.
It reflects on them.
Going into her politics is in my opinion totally irrelevant. She neither broke the law or directly harmed anybody to my knowledge. She was a politician who believed in what she believed in, just as Jo Cox and David Amess did.
Whether I agree with any of their views is irrelevant. If we are reduced to the level of anyone not agreeing with a set of views deserves to be killed, then we are sticking the concept of democracy in the bin and are left with one voice, one right - the Trump and Putin route. That’s not for me. |
also, in terms of all that is wrong with stuff online - it begins with de-humanising those who are not in your gang or hold views that are different from yours. it de-legitimises disagreement and seeks to cast others as untouchable, as 'evil', and beyond the pale. and there is nothing as de-humanising as celebrating someone else's death. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:19 - Jul 22 with 918 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ann Widdecombe on 17:35 - Jul 22 by balcombeblue |
Death can be celebrated if it isn't murder? |
Jesus, not this again. I am not saying that. Just adding context, because saying it after someone's been battered to death with a hammer is far worse IMO. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:28 - Jul 22 with 865 views | MattinLondon |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:19 - Jul 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, not this again. I am not saying that. Just adding context, because saying it after someone's been battered to death with a hammer is far worse IMO. |
Unfortunately there has been a lot of point scoring regarding her murder.
I would not have used the ‘spring in my step’ (or whatever it was) to describe her death - whether that poster would have still used that phrase after it was deemed to be murder -well only they know.
Her murder doesn’t negate the fact that she was an appalling person- I’m not revelling in her death but people should not be above criticism after death - no matter what circumstances were involved. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:28 - Jul 22 with 852 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:10 - Jul 22 by Churchman |
There were plenty of posters revelling in her death. One particular hero posted on the first page just two words. ‘Ding Dong’. We know the rest given the thread was not about Big Ben. They were glad she was dead. Pure and simple.
There was some backtracking and silence when the horrific nature of how she died was revealed, but let’s face it, a percentage enjoyed the news when it was first announced and that cannot be taken back because a piece of sht hit her 21 times with a hammer.
It reflects on them.
Going into her politics is in my opinion totally irrelevant. She neither broke the law or directly harmed anybody to my knowledge. She was a politician who believed in what she believed in, just as Jo Cox and David Amess did.
Whether I agree with any of their views is irrelevant. If we are reduced to the level of anyone not agreeing with a set of views deserves to be killed, then we are sticking the concept of democracy in the bin and are left with one voice, one right - the Trump and Putin route. That’s not for me. |
No-one said she deserves to be killed. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:33 - Jul 22 with 823 views | balcombeblue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:19 - Jul 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, not this again. I am not saying that. Just adding context, because saying it after someone's been battered to death with a hammer is far worse IMO. |
That’s fine. Don’t fully agree about the way someone died but fine to disagree on that.
Some good posts on here by people with different views who are actually engaged in sensible conversation like me and you, Churchman, MattinLondon and more.
There wasn’t anything vile about AW. To hold those views and express them as she did, while maintaining the relationships and work she did suggests otherwise. Plenty on the left have taken a similar stance |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:33 - Jul 22 with 813 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:11 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't think many would take issue with those words being used towards AW, considering her views on same sex relationships. Although it would be a little crass in the wake of her death.
One poster who I am acquainted with described AW as a vile bigot. AW's out dated religious views on same sex relationships make the lives of people like my daughter harder then they should be. I have no time for homophobia, whether it be genuine hatred of the LBGTQ community or simply a by product of religious views.
Calling you a vile specimen is based on your post celebrating the death of AW by saying newsof her passing had put a spring in your step and set you up nicely for the weekend. I'm amazed that you are still doubling down on that and trying to create false equivalence between the words I have usd to describe you and the words you used in relation to hearing AW had passed. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:18]
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:42 - Jul 22 with 785 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Her religious beliefs ?
Really ?
She was a Catholic. That is as mainstream as they come.
Biggest religion in the world with nearly 1.4 billion followers.
Remember Tony Blair and Andy Burnham belong to the same religion. |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:50 - Jul 22 with 754 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:10 - Jul 22 by Churchman |
There were plenty of posters revelling in her death. One particular hero posted on the first page just two words. ‘Ding Dong’. We know the rest given the thread was not about Big Ben. They were glad she was dead. Pure and simple.
There was some backtracking and silence when the horrific nature of how she died was revealed, but let’s face it, a percentage enjoyed the news when it was first announced and that cannot be taken back because a piece of sht hit her 21 times with a hammer.
It reflects on them.
Going into her politics is in my opinion totally irrelevant. She neither broke the law or directly harmed anybody to my knowledge. She was a politician who believed in what she believed in, just as Jo Cox and David Amess did.
Whether I agree with any of their views is irrelevant. If we are reduced to the level of anyone not agreeing with a set of views deserves to be killed, then we are sticking the concept of democracy in the bin and are left with one voice, one right - the Trump and Putin route. That’s not for me. |
Nobody has said she deserved to be killed because of her views as far as I’m aware. Yes some people were pleased that she’d gone when news of her death broke, but nobody has cheared the nature of her death or suggested she deserved to be murdered. That was a straw man that kept popping up as soon as her cause of death was first announced. It remains as unpleasant and untruthful attack on posters now as it did then. I’m not sure where people have got that line from, but it can’t have been from posts on here.
You’re right that people celebrated her death when it was first announced though. That was definitely the case.
The way this event has played out on here has been pretty distasteful imo. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 18:52 - Jul 22 with 750 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:42 - Jul 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
Her religious beliefs ?
Really ?
She was a Catholic. That is as mainstream as they come.
Biggest religion in the world with nearly 1.4 billion followers.
Remember Tony Blair and Andy Burnham belong to the same religion. |
It's not the biggest religion in the world. There are 2 billion Muslims globally.
Unfortunately, some Roman Catholics and some Muslims (and members of other religions) interpret the text of their Holy books literally when it comes to same sex relationships. Even though those texts were written when the world was a less tolerant place.
We recently had a captain of our football club refuse to embrace the Rainbow laces campaign citing his religious beliefs. I don't believe Morsy was a vile bigot with hatred in his heart. I believe that his interpretation of his religion was intolerant and discriminatory. Just as AW's were. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:03 - Jul 22 with 711 views | balcombeblue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:19 - Jul 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, not this again. I am not saying that. Just adding context, because saying it after someone's been battered to death with a hammer is far worse IMO. |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 19:09 - Jul 22 with 681 views | J2BLUE |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:52 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not the biggest religion in the world. There are 2 billion Muslims globally.
Unfortunately, some Roman Catholics and some Muslims (and members of other religions) interpret the text of their Holy books literally when it comes to same sex relationships. Even though those texts were written when the world was a less tolerant place.
We recently had a captain of our football club refuse to embrace the Rainbow laces campaign citing his religious beliefs. I don't believe Morsy was a vile bigot with hatred in his heart. I believe that his interpretation of his religion was intolerant and discriminatory. Just as AW's were. |
If we're counting all branches then there are 2.5bn Christians.
Pretty terrifying really that there are around 5bn religious people in the world. |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 19:17 - Jul 22 with 656 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:52 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not the biggest religion in the world. There are 2 billion Muslims globally.
Unfortunately, some Roman Catholics and some Muslims (and members of other religions) interpret the text of their Holy books literally when it comes to same sex relationships. Even though those texts were written when the world was a less tolerant place.
We recently had a captain of our football club refuse to embrace the Rainbow laces campaign citing his religious beliefs. I don't believe Morsy was a vile bigot with hatred in his heart. I believe that his interpretation of his religion was intolerant and discriminatory. Just as AW's were. |
Fair. I suppose the distinction between ‘vile bigot with hatred in their heart’ versus people adopting an intolerant religious position is pretty moot to the person at the receiving end of the discrimination. A fundamentally decent person driven by a blind spot caused by their religion’s stance can cause just as much offence or damage. The victim won’t worry about the exact cause of the bigotry.
I’m veering away from Widdecombe, but I thought that as a thoughtful distinction. I can’t comment from the position of anyone who’s in the LGBTQ community and how significant the blocking of progressive change by politicians was though. You’ll have a far better idea of the challenges they face than me. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 19:18 - Jul 22 with 649 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 19:09 - Jul 22 by J2BLUE |
If we're counting all branches then there are 2.5bn Christians.
Pretty terrifying really that there are around 5bn religious people in the world. |
“Terrifying”? What could possibly go wrong? 😬 | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 19:52 - Jul 22 with 568 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:33 - Jul 22 by balcombeblue |
That’s fine. Don’t fully agree about the way someone died but fine to disagree on that.
Some good posts on here by people with different views who are actually engaged in sensible conversation like me and you, Churchman, MattinLondon and more.
There wasn’t anything vile about AW. To hold those views and express them as she did, while maintaining the relationships and work she did suggests otherwise. Plenty on the left have taken a similar stance |
I would disagree with you there, I do think her views were vile. Maintaining relationships and work is neither here nor there IMO. Plenty of people with abhorrent views maintain relationships and work.
I wouldn't celebrate her death though. I didn't even celebrate Thatcher's death, as many did. It's probably better to try to understand why someone had horrible views rather than just want to wipe them off the face of the earth. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 19:53 - Jul 22 with 568 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 19:09 - Jul 22 by J2BLUE |
If we're counting all branches then there are 2.5bn Christians.
Pretty terrifying really that there are around 5bn religious people in the world. |
But how many people identify as Jedi? | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 19:55 - Jul 22 with 556 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:52 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not the biggest religion in the world. There are 2 billion Muslims globally.
Unfortunately, some Roman Catholics and some Muslims (and members of other religions) interpret the text of their Holy books literally when it comes to same sex relationships. Even though those texts were written when the world was a less tolerant place.
We recently had a captain of our football club refuse to embrace the Rainbow laces campaign citing his religious beliefs. I don't believe Morsy was a vile bigot with hatred in his heart. I believe that his interpretation of his religion was intolerant and discriminatory. Just as AW's were. |
My mistake. I confused Christians at 2.3 billion of which the vast majority are Catholic.
It is just as important to recognise in this that people have right to disagree with the consensus.
I expect that you and I think that somebodies sexuality is a matter for themselves alone.
I believe that if two people love each other that should be all that is required.
However I can see some people have different opinions.
Which should not be argued by a hammer to the head. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 20:02 - Jul 22 with 544 views | balcombeblue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 19:52 - Jul 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I would disagree with you there, I do think her views were vile. Maintaining relationships and work is neither here nor there IMO. Plenty of people with abhorrent views maintain relationships and work.
I wouldn't celebrate her death though. I didn't even celebrate Thatcher's death, as many did. It's probably better to try to understand why someone had horrible views rather than just want to wipe them off the face of the earth. |
They do maintain relationships, I agree. I just position that many of the people she was able to debate and influence had very different views.
It's crass (you haven't done this) to lump someone like her with other genuinely vile people. e.g those that constantly spread hateful, racist and bigoted views.
I feel quite similar about Corbyn. I have no political crossover but I found his historical alliance of republican groups or Islamic groups utterly reprehensible. I'd happily debate his supporters though. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 20:08 - Jul 22 with 524 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 19:55 - Jul 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
My mistake. I confused Christians at 2.3 billion of which the vast majority are Catholic.
It is just as important to recognise in this that people have right to disagree with the consensus.
I expect that you and I think that somebodies sexuality is a matter for themselves alone.
I believe that if two people love each other that should be all that is required.
However I can see some people have different opinions.
Which should not be argued by a hammer to the head. |
Completely agree with that final sentence. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 22:01 - Jul 22 with 404 views | Churchman |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:50 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Nobody has said she deserved to be killed because of her views as far as I’m aware. Yes some people were pleased that she’d gone when news of her death broke, but nobody has cheared the nature of her death or suggested she deserved to be murdered. That was a straw man that kept popping up as soon as her cause of death was first announced. It remains as unpleasant and untruthful attack on posters now as it did then. I’m not sure where people have got that line from, but it can’t have been from posts on here.
You’re right that people celebrated her death when it was first announced though. That was definitely the case.
The way this event has played out on here has been pretty distasteful imo. |
I never suggested anyone did say she deserved to die. People were pleased she was dead. ‘Ding Dong’ etc. That is what I typed, that is what I meant. I didn’t like it. I don’t now. It was disgusting.
There is also a menacing threat to democracy and free speech in this which I also don’t like. |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 22:08 - Jul 22 with 398 views | Churchman |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:28 - Jul 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one said she deserves to be killed. |
My wording of my last paragraph is incorrect. It’s more a general comment on where it leads when people take pleasure in a politician like AWs death. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 22:33 - Jul 22 with 329 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Ann Widdecombe on 22:08 - Jul 22 by Churchman |
My wording of my last paragraph is incorrect. It’s more a general comment on where it leads when people take pleasure in a politician like AWs death. |
Let's be clear. People taking 'pleasure' in the death of a human is problematic. A fundamental right in the human rights act is the right to life. Who among us does not support the right to exist as a human being?
It really does not matter what ethics and principles govern your life, you have a right to live your life as you see fit, as long as you do not cause harm to others.
Having an opinion does not harm another, unless you impose/force it. AW had opinions that she advocated for, but you can argue the toss over whether her opinions were ultimately imposed on others. I am not a political person, I do not have any shame in that, because no political party fully encompasses my belief system. I have faced a lot of criticism for that, but I believe in my right to be politically atheistic in the same way others believe in their right to be religiously atheistic.
What we can't lose in this discussion, though, is humanity. Every single life is precious. As in, the entity of life. What we do with it defines us as human beings, and there will always be conflict of opinion, but as American philosopher Dr. Wayne W. Dyer said:
"If you have the choice between being right and being kind, choose being kind." |  |
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