| So what can we do? 08:09 - Jul 22 with 2887 views | bluelagos |
Really interesting views on this thread/issue yesterday.
Wondering what can the fan base do on this other than tut loudly?
'Legacy' fans being chased out of clubs by jasondozzell 21 Jul 12:17A lot of United supporters on twitter talking about how season tickets being removed for smallest thing.
It's really worrying how the US sports model doesn't care for loyal supporters who have travelled for years.
https://x.com/i/status/2079288903215857744
It's already going on here with price hikes.
But if you turn football into an anaemic concert/Harry Potter World type experience then it will lose the thing that makes it so exciting.
Really don't think it's great that we've got so much American money now in the game, even if we have benefited.
You watch the Keegan footage and it's like another world.
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| So what can we do? on 09:49 - Jul 22 with 620 views | Guthrum |
| So what can we do? on 09:36 - Jul 22 by nrb1985 |
As others have said though, if they only cater to what older fans want you'll lose the younger generation. Which is what has happened.
Fan zone and all that stuff isn't really for you (or me!). |
Fan Zone works fine as a place to grab a beer and catch up with people before a game, especially if you aren't local, don't know the pubs and/or haven't got time to find somewhere to park after a long journey and walk into town to find one. Even for someone who isn't "younger".
Going to more away than home games, it is more of a Matchday Experience on the US model, involving the whole day, significant travel, food, arranged meetups, the match and more food on the return trip. Perhaps that alters my expectations, never having been able to stroll into town after lunch and be back home by teatime. |  |
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| So what can we do? on 09:52 - Jul 22 with 609 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So what can we do? on 09:24 - Jul 22 by commuterblue |
My season ticket is very affordable thank you. And tremendous value. As was my daughters £40 in her first year for the whole season. And now £600 for the two of us next season.
Which loyal supporters are you talking about? The ones who didnt buy any of the thousands of season tickets for the final Leavue 1 season? Or the ones who didnt buy the half season tickets in tbe same season. Or the ones who didnt buy in that close seaskn when there was still availability?
The atmosphere for big games is phenomenal. The club faciliate the coach
welcome. The flags and everything else for QPR led to a once in a lifetime atmosphere. The derbies, the end of season games are memories with my daughter that she will have long after I am gone.
Life is more than a zero sum game. If over the course of a season 2,000 people are willing to spend £500 a ticket in hospitality, thats an extra £1m to help get a signing in. Love it. That means I will see better playera on the pitch. Brilliant.
So, if the club want to have mascots and a kick about inflatable on the practice pitxh - no wahalla. I wont buy a, to me overpriced beer, in the stadium for the same reason I wont in the Greyhound. But as it turns out lots of people do. Good, every little helps.
I hope you feel better for your rant. But what a load of tosh. |
“Which loyal supporters are you talking about?”
Lagos can obviously answer for himself, but I’m pretty sure he’s talking about people like you and your daughter. Assuming you see yourself as a fan and have been loyal through the lean years too. Prices for us are relatively reasonable now, but the warnings are already there with established PL clubs.
You may see it is scaremongering and of course it may not come to pass if we don’t establish ourselves as a successful PL club. But fans like you and your daughter ARE being driven out of some clubs already or having to pay £thousands a year. It is a direction of travel that’s being increasingly highlighted in the media, on forums, by fans. [Post edited 22 Jul 9:57]
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| So what can we do? on 09:55 - Jul 22 with 599 views | Billywitch |
Respectfully may I ask, aren't you one of the supporters that is retaining his season ticket, but not attending next season (home games) due to Mark Ashton being here? Vaguely remember a number saying they are taking that stance, with you being one.
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| So what can we do? on 10:03 - Jul 22 with 576 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| So what can we do? on 08:27 - Jul 22 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Unless over the next 30 years we turn into a European powerhouse i dont see that it will affect us much. Jack and Diane are unlikely to comen over to take in a town game.
We can however show our solidarity with other fans |
If we sign two Japanese international players this Summer there WILL be Japanese tourists at Ipswich games next season, wearing Tingly Ted's baseball caps. | | | |
| So what can we do? on 10:06 - Jul 22 with 566 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| So what can we do? on 08:43 - Jul 22 by bluelagos |
What I want if for ordinary fans to be able to watch Ipswich - for it to be affordable and accessible.
What I want is for the club to be putting as much effort into improving the atmosphere as they do in providing hospitality offers.
What I want is for the club to recognise that it was ordinary fans who stuck by the club for decades and it is those fans who they should be focusing on - rather than adopting a tourist model that cuts them off.
What I see is the a club who are eyeing up the financial gains that come with Premier League football and looking to exploit those first and foremost.
Without the fans a club is nothing. Moving towards a club see match day as a corporate w@nkfest for wealthy visitors on par with a visit to Wimbledon or Lords isn't for me. |
So, to put it in cricket terms, what we want is:
"More passionate Hollies, less corporate jollies" | | | |
| So what can we do? on 10:28 - Jul 22 with 519 views | commuterblue |
| So what can we do? on 09:52 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
“Which loyal supporters are you talking about?”
Lagos can obviously answer for himself, but I’m pretty sure he’s talking about people like you and your daughter. Assuming you see yourself as a fan and have been loyal through the lean years too. Prices for us are relatively reasonable now, but the warnings are already there with established PL clubs.
You may see it is scaremongering and of course it may not come to pass if we don’t establish ourselves as a successful PL club. But fans like you and your daughter ARE being driven out of some clubs already or having to pay £thousands a year. It is a direction of travel that’s being increasingly highlighted in the media, on forums, by fans. [Post edited 22 Jul 9:57]
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Well, I dont think Lagos is talking about ST holders, as he is talking about creating artificial scarcity for non ST holders. (his words)
My rule of thumb fwiw was to have a ST when I had a journey of less than 2.5 hoirs each way. I dropped my ST when I left the country.
I got lucky in that i came back to Suffolk when season tickets were available. But had I missed the boat, I wouldnt be complainig about artificial scarcity.
Prices are increasing, but £460 for 19 games just seems very reasonable. Its very easy to spend £24 and not get very much. Two hours at minimum wage for a game... |  |
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| So what can we do? on 10:32 - Jul 22 with 513 views | nrb1985 |
| So what can we do? on 09:44 - Jul 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is it you that plays the markets?! |
What on earth are you talking about?
As normal, I have the feeling you're about to make a tit out of yourself. | | | |
| So what can we do? on 10:35 - Jul 22 with 514 views | LankHenners |
Probably against the grain a bit here but I think there's a line between pushing back on the things that seem more 'corporate' and the 'modern football is rubbish' brigade whinging that things aren't as good as in their day.
Seems pretty arrogant and selfish to be honest for anyone to decide who a 'proper fan' is and who should be catered to or not. People like going to matches more when the team's winning and playing bigger clubs? Big deal. That's always been the case and always will be.
We don't really have a problem with being infiltrated by tourists in the same way as the big clubs do - as we learnt from last time there are clearly ways in which seats are being sold off to third parties and you get random day trippers in but that's evidently an issue at every club and presumably something everyone's trying to crack down on.
I also don't think the atmosphere is that bad really - we are a bit 'sing when you're winning' but so are loads of clubs. When we've had big games and excitement on the pitch the crowd steps up and makes itself heard - people can argue over the rights and wrongs of it all they like but at the end of the day what's happening on the pitch will always dictate the mood in the stands.
Not to say that everything the club does is good or they haven't got things wrong (because they have) but the idea that 'loyal supporters' are being chased out is a bit silly imo. Especially with things like the away priority points system and season ticket cap, it's harder than it's ever been for casual fans to regularly enjoy a match. |  |
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| So what can we do? on 11:03 - Jul 22 with 459 views | southnorfolkblue |
| So what can we do? on 09:34 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Agreed. I can’t stand the phrase ‘match day experience’. The only match day experience I want is for the club to put on a match. A half decent pint served quickly at half time would be a bonus, and a natter with people you may not have caught up with for a while, but everything else can get in the bin. |
I think it’s the bit that Americans dont get about football. The World Cup Final Half time show just proves the point imho. Football fans have far more basic desires and wishes when it comes to watching the game and understand that atmosphere and passion come from within and not some K pop superstars performing at half time | |
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| So what can we do? on 11:04 - Jul 22 with 455 views | Pinewoodblue |
Rules on season tickets are clear. They are for your personal use, if you are unable to attend you make your seat available through the club. Same applies to away tickets.
Tickets sold to tourists create higher revenue, as they tend to spend big. Tickets passed onto a mate, free or otherwise, don’t increase revenue.
There are also season ticket holders who attend a limited number of matches and sell the ticket on, often via a ticket tout, for profit.I have a friend, Old Trafford season ticket holder, the season ticket holder of the sear next to his, only attends a handful of games each season. The seat is inevitably occupied by a tourist. My friend has been asked many times, when the season ticket holder attends, to let him know if he ever has to miss a game.
How often do we see posts on here announcing they have a spare ticket.
Wether every cancellation of a season ticket is justified, or not, is hard say but it is clear that many will be warranted. |  |
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| So what can we do? (n/t) on 11:35 - Jul 22 with 407 views | Sharkey |
Tghius is England, so it will never happen, but in places like Germany and Sweden the response would for the noisiest fans to switch off for at least parts of the game. This is to make the point that they provide part of the thing that the clubs are selling to tourists/prawn-sandwich brigade. [Post edited 22 Jul 11:38]
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| So what can we do? on 11:40 - Jul 22 with 402 views | Vic |
Unless we are happy to be a middling Championship or even Lg 1 team then there really isn't any option than to accept it for the foreseeable future.
Life has a wonderful way of going in circles and so it wouldn't surprise me if the money machine bubble of the Prem doesn't in some way deflate over time and clubs can then get back to being more community based things.
Like others have said, I think we'll be protected from the very worst of the current trend because of our location. |  |
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| So what can we do? on 12:18 - Jul 22 with 344 views | SheffordBlue |
| So what can we do? on 11:04 - Jul 22 by Pinewoodblue |
Rules on season tickets are clear. They are for your personal use, if you are unable to attend you make your seat available through the club. Same applies to away tickets.
Tickets sold to tourists create higher revenue, as they tend to spend big. Tickets passed onto a mate, free or otherwise, don’t increase revenue.
There are also season ticket holders who attend a limited number of matches and sell the ticket on, often via a ticket tout, for profit.I have a friend, Old Trafford season ticket holder, the season ticket holder of the sear next to his, only attends a handful of games each season. The seat is inevitably occupied by a tourist. My friend has been asked many times, when the season ticket holder attends, to let him know if he ever has to miss a game.
How often do we see posts on here announcing they have a spare ticket.
Wether every cancellation of a season ticket is justified, or not, is hard say but it is clear that many will be warranted. |
Our season ticket rules currently allow, and actually support the transfer of your season ticket to family and friends if you can't attend, even though it doesn't increase revenue. It's really easy to do this through the ticketing part of the website. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:23 - Jul 22 with 292 views | southnorfolkblue |
| So what can we do? on 09:34 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Agreed. I can’t stand the phrase ‘match day experience’. The only match day experience I want is for the club to put on a match. A half decent pint served quickly at half time would be a bonus, and a natter with people you may not have caught up with for a while, but everything else can get in the bin. |
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| So what can we do? on 16:16 - Jul 22 with 238 views | bluelagos |
| So what can we do? on 09:52 - Jul 22 by Swansea_Blue |
“Which loyal supporters are you talking about?”
Lagos can obviously answer for himself, but I’m pretty sure he’s talking about people like you and your daughter. Assuming you see yourself as a fan and have been loyal through the lean years too. Prices for us are relatively reasonable now, but the warnings are already there with established PL clubs.
You may see it is scaremongering and of course it may not come to pass if we don’t establish ourselves as a successful PL club. But fans like you and your daughter ARE being driven out of some clubs already or having to pay £thousands a year. It is a direction of travel that’s being increasingly highlighted in the media, on forums, by fans. [Post edited 22 Jul 9:57]
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Cheers Swanners
I'm talking about the many Towen fans who are not currently ST holders and who are likely to be facing a "pay for hospitality or don't go" option given the huge demand.
The club has literally invested £000s in lounges and then repackages standard seats as part of a "eat and seat" deal at huge mark ups. By doing so there are even fewer tickets for fans who are not ST holders on a normal match day basis.
The more tickets packaged as hospitality, the fewer available for sale at normal prices.
Whether it's intentional or not (I think it is) they are creating even more scarcity of match day tickets whilst simultaneously pushing the overpriced hospitality offers at far higher prices.
It's a model that many Premiership clubs do and we are very much going down that route from what I can see.
I'm fine - but the more tickets that are diverted away from fans (by high prices being unaffordable) the more the stadium becomes like those we visited (Spurs/Maine Rd and Anfield) with fewer and fewer ordinary fans.
Some people may think I am paranoid (which is cool) but look at the prices in the latest brochure. Many of those are not new seats - they are seats no longer available on a match day basis unless you are happy to pay top dollar.
https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws
The boxes are as they always were - but the club are now pushing tickets like the "Hall of Fame" for £300 for 1 match. Three Lions Lounge at £252 for seats in Block R.
It's a direction of travel that puts making money first and is exploiting fans as they do so... | |
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| So what can we do? on 17:01 - Jul 22 with 208 views | SmithersJones |
As this thread demonstrates, once you get into details there are lots of shades of opinion, which can easily become disagreement, which in turn is perfect for those seeking to turn the game into something we don’t want.
If there’s one issue for fans to get behind it’s defending the system of promotion and relegation. Not only is this the factor that gives football the jeopardy that makes it special, it’s the one thing that is putting off undesirable investors (of whatever nationality). | | | |
| So what can we do? on 17:39 - Jul 22 with 184 views | commuterblue |
| So what can we do? on 16:16 - Jul 22 by bluelagos |
Cheers Swanners
I'm talking about the many Towen fans who are not currently ST holders and who are likely to be facing a "pay for hospitality or don't go" option given the huge demand.
The club has literally invested £000s in lounges and then repackages standard seats as part of a "eat and seat" deal at huge mark ups. By doing so there are even fewer tickets for fans who are not ST holders on a normal match day basis.
The more tickets packaged as hospitality, the fewer available for sale at normal prices.
Whether it's intentional or not (I think it is) they are creating even more scarcity of match day tickets whilst simultaneously pushing the overpriced hospitality offers at far higher prices.
It's a model that many Premiership clubs do and we are very much going down that route from what I can see.
I'm fine - but the more tickets that are diverted away from fans (by high prices being unaffordable) the more the stadium becomes like those we visited (Spurs/Maine Rd and Anfield) with fewer and fewer ordinary fans.
Some people may think I am paranoid (which is cool) but look at the prices in the latest brochure. Many of those are not new seats - they are seats no longer available on a match day basis unless you are happy to pay top dollar.
https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws
The boxes are as they always were - but the club are now pushing tickets like the "Hall of Fame" for £300 for 1 match. Three Lions Lounge at £252 for seats in Block R.
It's a direction of travel that puts making money first and is exploiting fans as they do so... |
There is already scarcity because we are popular. So, in my opinion, they dont need to create artificial scarcity. Whatever happens, fans who would like to games will not be able to go.
If they are repackaging seats (not doubting you, but the link looked wierd), that will remove seats from non hospitality fans true. But it will also increase our transfer/wage budget.
But, given the amount of kids wearing Ipswich shirts out and about, I simply dont see the pipeline risk you talk about. Also, last season, so many first time fans were shown at half time (this was a lot fewer in the PL, and will be again this year, naturally) | |
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| So what can we do? on 17:45 - Jul 22 with 178 views | mellowblue |
I doubt it will affect us too much. Within a few years we will have the new Cobbold stand, maybe 40,000+ capacity that we will not fill anyway. | | | |
| So what can we do? on 18:40 - Jul 22 with 150 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So what can we do? on 10:32 - Jul 22 by nrb1985 |
What on earth are you talking about?
As normal, I have the feeling you're about to make a tit out of yourself. |
It isn't a difficult question. |  |
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