| Attack on Berlin Pride 22:25 - Jul 25 with 3623 views | Zx1988 |
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My heart goes out to all those affected, and to all those in the LGBTQIA+ community for whom the world perhaps feels a little less safe this evening.
My wife and I were at Norwich Pride this afternoon, and seeing this news sent a chill down my spine. [Post edited 25 Jul 22:30]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 20:44 - Jul 26 with 963 views | bluelagos |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 18:58 - Jul 26 by Zx1988 |
Not particularly.
I can't see how the police could not have shot him in the circumstances, but his death only turns him into a martyr and a poster-child for the POS who radicalised him in the first place.
Life in prison would have ruined that particular plan. |
And by shooting him dead the intelligence services don't get the chance to interrogate him and potentially prevent future attacks from what they learned.
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 with 773 views | Benters |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 18:58 - Jul 26 by Zx1988 |
Not particularly.
I can't see how the police could not have shot him in the circumstances, but his death only turns him into a martyr and a poster-child for the POS who radicalised him in the first place.
Life in prison would have ruined that particular plan. |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 06:15 - Jul 27 with 753 views | bluelagos |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 by Benters |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |
Forget waterbutts, you should present on GBNews with such well thought out and insighrful comments Benters. [Post edited 27 Jul 6:20]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 06:20 - Jul 27 with 728 views | Benters |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 06:15 - Jul 27 by bluelagos |
Forget waterbutts, you should present on GBNews with such well thought out and insighrful comments Benters. [Post edited 27 Jul 6:20]
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True though innit.
PS the waterbutts are bone dry all eight of em  [Post edited 27 Jul 6:21]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:19 - Jul 27 with 658 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 by Benters |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |
Weapon grade! |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:23 - Jul 27 with 650 views | Powrigan |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 14:08 - Jul 26 by The_Major |
I couldn't give a flying one what this scumbags religion, political persuasion, whatever is.
Catch him, lock him up. It's not complicated. |
He will probably be arrested and removed from Germany, then be welcomed to the UK with open arms by the usual people. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:26]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:23 - Jul 27 with 656 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 15:09 - Jul 26 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But worth nothing that many Islamic countries have prison, or even death penalties for being gay. Once part of state law then it becomes normalised as a view within society.
On a wider point it’s tragic the number of vehicle based attacks that have happened in Germany over the last few years. A liberal tolerant society that now has anti vehicle barriers for many events (albeit must assume there was none in this instance). Suggestions the suspect was known to authorities, I assume they are simply unable to cope with the numbers in n watch lists. |
Arrested in Germany on terrorism charges. Sentenced in May but released due to time served. Carries out this attack just two months after being released. |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:42 - Jul 27 with 612 views | Zx1988 |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 by Benters |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |
Yes, how dare the left show compassion to a group that may not show compassion to them.
Your world must be a f**king bleak place, if you reduce even the most common acts of humanity (such as opposing a genocide) to a transactional matter. | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:43 - Jul 27 with 608 views | urbanpenguin |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 by Benters |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |
No, I don't find it odd. Muslims can be gay too, trust me, I've encountered a few.
Pride is a protest to fight for equality, and those who are or have been repressed community are extremely likely to acutely see it and fight for it in others - even when it's not as brutally obvious an ongoing genocide. So it's totally understandable lgbtqi people are keen to stop that which has happened to them also happen to other people, even if some of the people they want to help may hate them. I'm not a Christian, but this seems an age old approach to care, empathy & struggle that's been practiced for millennia and which is arguably the bedrock of community and survival.
At the other end of the spectrum to the Berlin attack, yesterday my husband was repeatedly homophobically shouted outside our flat at by a kid no older than eight. All groups and communities have hateful and homophobic people in them, even where I live and even this message board, and that's why we push for education, equality & understanding wherever they are and whoever is under attack. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:46]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:45 - Jul 27 with 594 views | Powrigan |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:42 - Jul 27 by Zx1988 |
Yes, how dare the left show compassion to a group that may not show compassion to them.
Your world must be a f**king bleak place, if you reduce even the most common acts of humanity (such as opposing a genocide) to a transactional matter. |
He lives in what is known as the real world. Not this perfect imaginary world where everyone loves each other regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc etc. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:46]
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:54 - Jul 27 with 566 views | Zx1988 |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:45 - Jul 27 by Powrigan |
He lives in what is known as the real world. Not this perfect imaginary world where everyone loves each other regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc etc. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:46]
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So you're saying that our compassion to others should be based purely on whether they would show compassion to us in return? | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:59 - Jul 27 with 547 views | Mullet |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:23 - Jul 27 by Powrigan |
He will probably be arrested and removed from Germany, then be welcomed to the UK with open arms by the usual people. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:26]
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Given he was shot dead by police I doubt it. |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:07 - Jul 27 with 513 views | Mullet |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 14:42 - Jul 26 by RadioOrwell |
Traditional Islamic law views same-sex sexual acts as a major sin, and mainstream jurisprudence considers the practice forbidden.
From the Islamic standpoint, homosexuality is a forbidden action; a major sin
and anyone who partakes in it is considered a disobedient servant to Allah
that will acquire His displeasure and disapproval. This is clearly stated in the
three main sources of the Shariah: The Quran, the Sunnah, and the
consensus of all scholars, which extends from the time of the Prophet till
today.
While homosexuality has gained greater social acceptance in many Western societies, it remains
highly stigmatized and, in most cases, forbidden in mainstream Islam. Theologically-based
homophobia has given rise to negative social representations of homosexuality in Muslim
communities around the world. Lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) Muslims themselves are acutely
aware of the stigma of homosexuality, and the prejudice and, in some cases, harsh punishment that
they may face if they disclose their sexual identity. |
That totally ignores the fact that killing in Islam is an even bigger sin and a massive centrepoint of the religion. Very similar to Christianity and the thousand or more years of Christian culture in Europe.
Making a selective religious argument either way ignores the politics, culture and economic forces that have shaped these things around the world.
Killing in Islam requires proof and a formal decision even under Sharia law (and technically is meant to be avoided at all costs but certain countries aren't so good at that) If you kill unlawfully you get the worst punishments from God.
The Quran is pretty clear that killing someone is like killing everyone. The parts usually misinterpeted in the modern era refer to the Meccan wars and defensive actions often - Muslims and Christians both followed Just War principles of their own in the middle ages. So it's really important when people cite the Quran or the Bible etc the context isn't lost. | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:18 - Jul 27 with 476 views | Powrigan |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:59 - Jul 27 by Mullet |
Given he was shot dead by police I doubt it. |
The goodness for that, another brainwashed loon erased from this world | | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:20 - Jul 27 with 478 views | vapour_trail |
Every day he posts his tedious shite and yet he’s still here. |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:22 - Jul 27 with 456 views | Powrigan |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:54 - Jul 27 by Zx1988 |
So you're saying that our compassion to others should be based purely on whether they would show compassion to us in return? |
I just think if people choose to move to Europe, they should respect European values and culture and not go around killing people for going against what they believe.
I feel that would be a good start. | | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:25 - Jul 27 with 436 views | Mullet |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:22 - Jul 27 by Powrigan |
I just think if people choose to move to Europe, they should respect European values and culture and not go around killing people for going against what they believe.
I feel that would be a good start. |
European values is a really important idea. What are those then?
Has anyone here said he was right to kill people out of interest? | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:31 - Jul 27 with 416 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:20 - Jul 27 by vapour_trail |
Every day he posts his tedious shite and yet he’s still here. |
Sorry! | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:50 - Jul 27 with 354 views | RadioOrwell |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:07 - Jul 27 by Mullet |
That totally ignores the fact that killing in Islam is an even bigger sin and a massive centrepoint of the religion. Very similar to Christianity and the thousand or more years of Christian culture in Europe.
Making a selective religious argument either way ignores the politics, culture and economic forces that have shaped these things around the world.
Killing in Islam requires proof and a formal decision even under Sharia law (and technically is meant to be avoided at all costs but certain countries aren't so good at that) If you kill unlawfully you get the worst punishments from God.
The Quran is pretty clear that killing someone is like killing everyone. The parts usually misinterpeted in the modern era refer to the Meccan wars and defensive actions often - Muslims and Christians both followed Just War principles of their own in the middle ages. So it's really important when people cite the Quran or the Bible etc the context isn't lost. |
Seven Muslim countries retain capital punishment for homosexual behavior: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, southern Somalia, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan.
Bloke on football forum says they need to stop. |  | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 09:02 - Jul 27 with 315 views | Mullet |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 08:50 - Jul 27 by RadioOrwell |
Seven Muslim countries retain capital punishment for homosexual behavior: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, southern Somalia, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan.
Bloke on football forum says they need to stop. |
So does Uganda which is “Christian” and the law was arguably as much political and so did we until the mid 1800s. No one is denying it happens (although how frequently it’s actually applied is seemingly rare and hard to track according to a quick search) and no one here is supporting it either.
It’s almost like it’s really complicated | |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 09:51 - Jul 27 with 245 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 05:16 - Jul 27 by Benters |
Don’t you find it strange how so many of the gay community go on these marches supporting Palestine,yet part of the Muslim community hate the gay community?
Also if this had been a white chap or right wing supporter attacked someone this thread would have been on 10 pages by now?
When it’s this way round the hard left don’t want to know. |
What the feck are you talking about?! |  |
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| Attack on Berlin Pride on 09:54 - Jul 27 with 235 views | BerlinBlue2226 |
And I think this going to make the 15th very interesting now. 300000 people are expected for rave the planet in exactly the same area as this took place. So security will be increased even more. Then add 50000 for the Hertha game, another 23000 for Union vs Town. | | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 11:43 - Jul 27 with 109 views | MattinLondon |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 07:45 - Jul 27 by Powrigan |
He lives in what is known as the real world. Not this perfect imaginary world where everyone loves each other regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc etc. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:46]
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And that is why we need far more compassion because the real world can be horrible.
We need more love, more tolerance and more patience and understanding. Otherwise the real world becomes more hate-filled allowing individuals to be radicalised and potential murderers. |  | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 12:14 - Jul 27 with 52 views | chantryblueboy |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 11:43 - Jul 27 by MattinLondon |
And that is why we need far more compassion because the real world can be horrible.
We need more love, more tolerance and more patience and understanding. Otherwise the real world becomes more hate-filled allowing individuals to be radicalised and potential murderers. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ | | | |
| Attack on Berlin Pride on 12:16 - Jul 27 with 48 views | MattinLondon |
Your point being? | | | |
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