| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me 08:27 - Oct 20 with 5008 views | muccletonjoe |
To impose a 100 point penalty on Manchester City would be far short of what is needed , even as a future deterrent. For years they have bought players no other team could afford , operated under conditions which were clearly contradictory to the rules and have had an unfair advantage over every other team in the league. They have assembled teams no other club could aspire to within the rules.
They should be banned from the Premier league / Europe for a minimum of 5 years , stripped of all titles and trophies they won with an unfair advantage and fined the sort of sums they overspent. If the Premier league wants to retain any integrity from their own rules. , this has to be a radical punishment , which at least goes some way toward fitting the crimes involved. [Post edited 20 Oct 8:28]
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:00 - Oct 20 with 1242 views | BseaBlue |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 09:45 - Oct 20 by Guthrum |
Removal of ownership would be a very big step, but I'm not sure how the PL could do that. Abu Dhabi would simply claim that the club's executives had gone rogue and deceived them also. Would need a real smoking gun to prove a link to the very top.
That's before you bring geopolitics into it. |
The Premier League can't but the independent football regulator can.
Enforcement Powers as follows (Excuse the AI slop):
2. Available Enforcement Powers
If the findings of extensive financial rule breaches stand, the IFR can initiate a review. If the owners fail the ODSE test, the regulator's statutory powers include:
• Removal Directions: Directing the owners to take all reasonable steps to cease their ownership.
• Ownership Removal Orders: In extreme cases of non-compliance, forcing a divestment or sale of the club to an approved third party, which can include appointing trustees to manage the club's transition.
• Disqualification Orders: Informally or permanently banning individuals from holding executive positions in English football. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:11 - Oct 20 with 1210 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 09:27 - Oct 20 by hype313 |
By all accounts, sounds like 100 point deduction, then another 30 point next season, essentially keeping them in the championship for at least 2 years, a huge fine and the removal of ownership.
They'll be back in their right place in the 3rd tier of football before long, and if you speak to City fans, they seemed happier when they won the PO final against Gillingham, than they did winning the PL. |
30 points would not be enough to keep them in the Championship. Especially with the extended play-offs, they would surely rack up 100+ points (before the deduction) and finish in the top eight. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:21 - Oct 20 with 1194 views | itfcpaul |
Just a thought, if this is reality, would they do anything about the games they have played and the points they have picked up so far this season? | |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:32 - Oct 20 with 1151 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 10:48 - Oct 20 by Keno |
Sorry but I think the penalty should be
100 points this season 50 nest season and 25 the next
No transfers in for 3 years
the only music at the ethihad is the smiths
they have to play in clown outfits including the big clown shoes
the club badge to be changed to say Cheating B'Stards
travel to away games in is a old 1970's bus with no air con and one of those dodgy loos
and Norwich to be relegated to national league |
I'd still back them to get a top 8 playoff place in the Championship from -50 |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:41 - Oct 20 with 1119 views | lurcher |
They are going to get off lightly.
A big points deduction and a year out of the top flight. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 12:02 - Oct 20 with 1064 views | SheffordBlue |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:11 - Oct 20 by SWLondonBlue93 |
30 points would not be enough to keep them in the Championship. Especially with the extended play-offs, they would surely rack up 100+ points (before the deduction) and finish in the top eight. |
I think some of that depends on what else goes with it e.g. transfer restrictions.
I can't see many of their squad sticking around for a season in the Championship even for one season so a 30 point deduction with a heavily weakened squad does it make it a lot less certain they'd get close to promotion. | |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 12:34 - Oct 20 with 1019 views | TrimandBlue82 |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 10:41 - Oct 20 by Guthrum |
Yes. I was thinking maybe a decade. |
Needs to be that to have any sort of impact doesn't it. As others have said the academy is good so they have that to fall back on. It's just a hell of a pickle that needs sorting for the good of English football. | | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 12:35 - Oct 20 with 1015 views | eireblue |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 10:48 - Oct 20 by Keno |
Sorry but I think the penalty should be
100 points this season 50 nest season and 25 the next
No transfers in for 3 years
the only music at the ethihad is the smiths
they have to play in clown outfits including the big clown shoes
the club badge to be changed to say Cheating B'Stards
travel to away games in is a old 1970's bus with no air con and one of those dodgy loos
and Norwich to be relegated to national league |
Apart from the Smiths, that sounds reasonable.
No one should have to endure the smiths, apart from when doing psychological warfare type activities, against really bad baddies, even then, Geneva Convention types may show concern. |  | | |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 12:35 - Oct 20 with 1013 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 11:41 - Oct 20 by lurcher |
They are going to get off lightly.
A big points deduction and a year out of the top flight. |
It really doesn't matter what happens, they will just buy their way out of it.
Maybe we can sell them Al Hamadi. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 13:34 - Oct 20 with 936 views | tazdac |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 10:48 - Oct 20 by Keno |
Sorry but I think the penalty should be
100 points this season 50 nest season and 25 the next
No transfers in for 3 years
the only music at the ethihad is the smiths
they have to play in clown outfits including the big clown shoes
the club badge to be changed to say Cheating B'Stards
travel to away games in is a old 1970's bus with no air con and one of those dodgy loos
and Norwich to be relegated to national league |
Can the 1970’s bus be fitted with a radio by Delboy? :o) | | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 14:17 - Oct 20 with 894 views | BrayBlue |
Man City should be forced to pay back all 714pts they accrued between 2008-18, the period when they were guilty of cheating - and here’s how: next season they start on - 714pts. For the sake of easy maths, let’s say they earn 100pts, that would see them relegated on -614pts.
Here’s the crucial bit: the points deduction rolls over! So whenever they return to the PL they would start on -614pts, and so on until all 714pts have been repaid. It would take City a decade or so to wipe the slate clean, roughly the same amount of time they were cheating - seems fair to me?
Cheers,
JK | | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 14:20 - Oct 20 with 892 views | ITFC_Essex |
They sent Pompey back to the stone age, for less, if they get away with 100points reduction then we can have no faith in the Premier League, at all. |  |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 15:14 - Oct 20 with 845 views | VanDusen |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 08:34 - Oct 20 by MattinLondon |
FFP or whatever it’s called is a total load of bollox designed to keep clubs in their place.
Man City have no external debt, Liverpool are £400M in debt, Man Utd much more yet only one is being punished. Spurs have spent much more on players yet they can carry on regardless.
Total farce enforced by the traditional bigger clubs to prevent clubs like Man City etc from grabbing a slice of the Champions League cake. |
Spot on. Man City are a symptom - not the cause. | | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 15:30 - Oct 20 with 821 views | bsw72 |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 14:20 - Oct 20 by ITFC_Essex |
They sent Pompey back to the stone age, for less, if they get away with 100points reduction then we can have no faith in the Premier League, at all. |
Slightly different wasn't it? HMRC did the financial damage together with the fact that they had 4 owners in one season, PL just fined them 9 points, and then the EFL fined them 10 the next season. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 16:15 - Oct 20 with 782 views | LuciBlue |
Any money received (not just profit) from player sales should be distributed amongst any team that played ManC while they were cheating. |  |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 16:43 - Oct 20 with 753 views | BlueBoots |
As the cheating took place over 9 seasons, how a deduction of 10 points for each of those seasons would affect what happened (prize money based on an estimated £1.5m per finishing position in the league) Would be impossible to work out prize money / TV revenue for European competition, as no idea how far the substituted teams would have progressed in the tournament, so just force Man City to pay them what they earned for their involvement 
2009/10
Europa League revenue paid to Aston Villa
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2010/11
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
4.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2011/12
Title awarded to Manchester United
1.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2012/13
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2013/14
Title awarded to Liverpool
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2014/15
3m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2015/16
Champions League revenue paid to Man Utd
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2016/17
Champions League revenue paid to Arsenal
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2017/18
No Impact
That last one is pretty telling...won the league by 19 points, so the cumulative effect of their cheating over those seasons had fully kicked in; would be interested to know if there's anything suspicious about their dealings over the past 8 seasons too which are yet to come to light.
(The only charges that have come after this period so far (35 of them) relate to "failure to cooperate" rather than any specific wrongdoing) |  |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 17:00 - Oct 20 with 734 views | Oldsmoker |
Everton with one (ONE) misdemeanor - 10 points reduce to 6.
Citeh with 112 (FFS) so let's do the maths...
Let's go with the lower figure of 6 but they deserve 10 all day long...
6 x 112 = 672.
max pts in EPL = 38 x 3 = 114.
max pts in championship = 46 x 3 = 138
max pts in lg1 = 46 x 3 = 138
max pts in lg2 = 46 x 3 = 138
max pts in Nat lg = 46 x 3 = 138
total points = 114+138+138+138+138=666 (sign of the devil - no surprise)
That leaves a 6 point deduction as they start next season in National League North.
I make that right. |  |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 17:04 - Oct 20 with 730 views | vapour_trail |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 16:43 - Oct 20 by BlueBoots |
As the cheating took place over 9 seasons, how a deduction of 10 points for each of those seasons would affect what happened (prize money based on an estimated £1.5m per finishing position in the league) Would be impossible to work out prize money / TV revenue for European competition, as no idea how far the substituted teams would have progressed in the tournament, so just force Man City to pay them what they earned for their involvement
2009/10
Europa League revenue paid to Aston Villa
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2010/11
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
4.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2011/12
Title awarded to Manchester United
1.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2012/13
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2013/14
Title awarded to Liverpool
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2014/15
3m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2015/16
Champions League revenue paid to Man Utd
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2016/17
Champions League revenue paid to Arsenal
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2017/18
No Impact
That last one is pretty telling...won the league by 19 points, so the cumulative effect of their cheating over those seasons had fully kicked in; would be interested to know if there's anything suspicious about their dealings over the past 8 seasons too which are yet to come to light.
(The only charges that have come after this period so far (35 of them) relate to "failure to cooperate" rather than any specific wrongdoing) |
It’s immaterial whether their cheating continued post 2018.
The muscle memory from the decade of cheating was embedded in the football club and has delivered the success that followed.
I’d strip them of everything they won domestically since the cheating started but not reallocate, leave them as blank.
A significant financial penalty.
And then some form of punishment through points or removal from league that guarantees them a spell out of the prem. I don’t know how you work that. These rolling points deductions just make whatever league they land in each year a bit of a shitshow. |  |
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| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 17:15 - Oct 20 with 714 views | IPSWICH1078 |
I think they need to give them a rolling points deduction. Say 300 point deduction.
If they reach 100 points this season then they start next season in the Championship on -200. That should take them a few years to get back.
5 year transfer embargo.
A single 100 point deduction isn't enough. They'll bounce straight back up.
They cheated for 10 years so the punishment should be reflective of their crime. | | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 19:26 - Oct 20 with 645 views | armchaircritic59 |
That equates to a 10 point penalty for each year they've been accused of. Which isn't even a slap on the wrist. No good fining them, whatever the amount, it would be lost change down the back of an Abu Dhabi sofa. I think they should also compensate their own fans who for 10 years were being sold a lie and having to pay a lot of money for the privilege in season tickets etc. In essence they unknowingly were supplying money to the club for the purposes of cheating. I know how'd I feel if it was my club, perish the thought. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 22:31 - Oct 20 with 557 views | barcelonablue2 |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 16:43 - Oct 20 by BlueBoots |
As the cheating took place over 9 seasons, how a deduction of 10 points for each of those seasons would affect what happened (prize money based on an estimated £1.5m per finishing position in the league) Would be impossible to work out prize money / TV revenue for European competition, as no idea how far the substituted teams would have progressed in the tournament, so just force Man City to pay them what they earned for their involvement
2009/10
Europa League revenue paid to Aston Villa
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2010/11
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
4.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2011/12
Title awarded to Manchester United
1.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2012/13
Champions League revenue paid to Tottenham
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2013/14
Title awarded to Liverpool
6m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2014/15
3m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2015/16
Champions League revenue paid to Man Utd
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2016/17
Champions League revenue paid to Arsenal
7.5m prize money shared amongst other clubs
2017/18
No Impact
That last one is pretty telling...won the league by 19 points, so the cumulative effect of their cheating over those seasons had fully kicked in; would be interested to know if there's anything suspicious about their dealings over the past 8 seasons too which are yet to come to light.
(The only charges that have come after this period so far (35 of them) relate to "failure to cooperate" rather than any specific wrongdoing) |
if you are going to follow the logic of 9 seasons it would make more sense to remove all the signings they could not of bought without sham contracts and then remove their contributions.
No Aguero, no FA cup. In fact remove all his goal contributions. Remove all the keepers saves. Removes all the defenders blocks. Remove Tevez. Remove Fernadinho's stats.
Why assume they are challenging for trophies when most clubs whom cannot spend often flirt with the opposite side end of the table. How do we know city wouldn't of been relegation fodder without their sham payments.
Don't understand why the assumption is they only won medals and cups. A premier league place is also something fought for and won every season and they won those by sham means as well. |  | | |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 07:58 - Oct 21 with 444 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Reported 100 points deduction seems a light sentence to me on 08:34 - Oct 20 by MattinLondon |
FFP or whatever it’s called is a total load of bollox designed to keep clubs in their place.
Man City have no external debt, Liverpool are £400M in debt, Man Utd much more yet only one is being punished. Spurs have spent much more on players yet they can carry on regardless.
Total farce enforced by the traditional bigger clubs to prevent clubs like Man City etc from grabbing a slice of the Champions League cake. |
Expulsion from the Premier League, and they should have to apply to join a league outside of the EFL. And have the titles and trophies stripped. |  |
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