| The unnamed celebrity scandal 23:37 - Nov 3 with 16633 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Obviously everyone knows and has known for months who it is. I’d actually heard from my man in the media about it in December 2025. It goes without saying… don’t name him as it lands Phil and the site in trouble.
What was interesting about today’s case going against him (subject to appeal) is that it’s now public knowledge he tried to kill himself twice in 2026 regarding the story being on the brink of publicity. The Telegraph first reporting their separate (yet similar story) at the end of last year wa obviously the start of it all crumbling.
Fascinating viewing. My question for TWTD and the reason for the thread is now it is established that he did actually try to kill himself twice over this and so it’s not an empty threat is the correct thing morally:
A) he stays anonymous. And the two very high level investigations from the two media teams involved take the case to the police. And only once he’s charged is he named.
B) the story of the 10+ victims is told as they wished and the media are allowed to publish what they’ve found through investigatitive journalism that first began over 2 years ago now to get to the bottom of the story. But runs the risk of him committing suicide.
What is the moral rightful outcome here?
Finally once again it’s genuinely something I’m interested in the forums opinion on and so please don’t be a t*t and get the thread pulled by naming him or subtly hinting at the person. We all know who it is - zero need to start making stupid jokes and run the risk of it being deleted before an interesting discussion can take place.
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:44 - Nov 11 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
To just have casual sex? Probably not.
But in my experience, if it's an actual relationship with those kinds of ages, the older man (and it's almost certainly an older man) will be a very strange person and usually really controlling.
It's not always that way of course but being in my mid 30s myself, the idea of being with a girl younger than my niece makes me feel ill, regardless of if they are an adult.
As I say though, personal opinion, people can do what they want. [Post edited 11 Nov 17:06]
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I didn't say anything about sex.
The Channel 4 programme I referenced earlier was a real eye-opener, it's not always the man who's older, and sometimes neither is controlling, they're just in love.
We've drifted off into something different from Walliams though. I was just agreeing with Ryorry about age gaps not always being weird. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:49 - Nov 11 | Ryorry |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:06 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
To just have casual sex? Probably not.
But in my experience, if it's an actual relationship with those kinds of ages, the older man (and it's almost certainly an older man) will be a very strange person and usually really controlling.
It's not always that way of course but being in my mid 30s myself, the idea of being with a girl younger than my niece makes me feel ill, regardless of if they are an adult.
As I say though, personal opinion, people can do what they want. [Post edited 11 Nov 17:06]
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Sorry your observation of such a situation/s has /have been bad, but to go around consequently extrapolating, judging, and labelling others who you've never even met as "strange" and "controlling" is just rank, and literally prejudiced. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:51 - Nov 11 | DanTheMan |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:49 - Nov 11 by Ryorry |
Sorry your observation of such a situation/s has /have been bad, but to go around consequently extrapolating, judging, and labelling others who you've never even met as "strange" and "controlling" is just rank, and literally prejudiced. |
OK, I can tell people are feeling very personal about this so I'm bowing out. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:55 - Nov 11 | lowhouseblue |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:23 - Nov 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm with you. Each to their own but I do find it a little odd. I remember being in sixth form and this guy in his 30s was waiting for one of the girls. Big difference between something like 45/31 and 32/18 IMO even though the gap is the same. |
big age differences are indeed very odd. what really matters though is someone's capacity to make good decisions. the law has always defined that in terms of age, but that's very rough and ready. clearly, as we've just seen, someone's vulnerability may be to do with things other than just age - resources, power, dependence, etc. it's too complicated for the law to be more involved without becoming oppressive. charlotte proudman on the radio just now was arguing to change the age of consent, but that feels very heavy handed and risks criminalising people who do have the capacity to make good decisions but still choose things we might consider odd. and in the end any age is a bit arbitrary. how people make decisions about relationships is extremely complex stuff and the law is a very blunt instrument. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:03 - Nov 11 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:55 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
big age differences are indeed very odd. what really matters though is someone's capacity to make good decisions. the law has always defined that in terms of age, but that's very rough and ready. clearly, as we've just seen, someone's vulnerability may be to do with things other than just age - resources, power, dependence, etc. it's too complicated for the law to be more involved without becoming oppressive. charlotte proudman on the radio just now was arguing to change the age of consent, but that feels very heavy handed and risks criminalising people who do have the capacity to make good decisions but still choose things we might consider odd. and in the end any age is a bit arbitrary. how people make decisions about relationships is extremely complex stuff and the law is a very blunt instrument. |
"big age differences are indeed very odd"
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes realtionships where there isn't an age gap are odd. I hate this sweeping generalisation we see so much of.
Who's to say what's odd? At the end of the day, it's just different to the norm. But that's not inherently wrong. Some of the happiest people don't seem to fit 'the norm' as it's deemed by society.
As I said earlier, there was a 20 year age gap between my uncle and aunty, they were happily married for many years (only ended by his death). They had 5 lovely daughters. But to you, that's odd. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:08 - Nov 11 | Ryorry |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:51 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
OK, I can tell people are feeling very personal about this so I'm bowing out. |
It's not "personal"; most on here would challenge that sort of labelling if it were applied to other groups of people. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:14 - Nov 11 | Zx1988 |
How utterly unsurprising.
I don't know if/how it would work, but it feels as if there needs to be some serious legal reform in the area of injunctions and how they can be used.
I wouldn't want it to become open season for witch hunts based on any and all allegations but, if media outlets are able to satisfy themselves that a potential story is libel-proof and in the public interest to print, they shouldn't be prevented from doing so just because a wealthy celeb doesn't want to be outed as a wrong'un. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 22:15 - Nov 11 | BanksterDebtSlave |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:04 - Nov 12 | The_Romford_Blue |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:03 - Nov 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"big age differences are indeed very odd"
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes realtionships where there isn't an age gap are odd. I hate this sweeping generalisation we see so much of.
Who's to say what's odd? At the end of the day, it's just different to the norm. But that's not inherently wrong. Some of the happiest people don't seem to fit 'the norm' as it's deemed by society.
As I said earlier, there was a 20 year age gap between my uncle and aunty, they were happily married for many years (only ended by his death). They had 5 lovely daughters. But to you, that's odd. |
If they got together when one is 38 and the other is 18, then yeah it’s odd. It’s two completely different stages of life. A brain isn’t even fully developed at 18. It’s weird to me that either party could have attraction to the other to actually spend the time for a real relationship. One night together is icky but a whole relationship.. it’s disturbing to me personally.
Whereas 45 and 65 would have the same brain development and I don’t think that’s anywhere remotely the same as the above. Despite the 20 year age difference being the same number of years. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:08 - Nov 12 | The_Romford_Blue |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 10:46 - Nov 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
"Fascinating viewing"?
Mental Health, Suicide, and the appalling conviction rate in sexual assault and rape cases are not entertainment. |
Holdup why am I getting it in the neck many days after the OP. It was fascinating in the sense of to query what is the correct outcome as to whether to name him or not as this would be a legal first to not publish something very much in the public interest because of his human right to not die. Despite it being self inflicted if he was to die as a result of the story naming him (he was outright threatening suicide rather than that he’d be murdered by a vigilante group).
Suggesting I’m saying that the potential suicide, or even that I said rape is fascinating, is frankly out of order. You purposely ignoring my carefully worded, well explained and balanced OP - is out of order. [Post edited 12 Nov 1:11]
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 05:53 - Nov 12 | Benters |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:03 - Nov 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"big age differences are indeed very odd"
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes realtionships where there isn't an age gap are odd. I hate this sweeping generalisation we see so much of.
Who's to say what's odd? At the end of the day, it's just different to the norm. But that's not inherently wrong. Some of the happiest people don't seem to fit 'the norm' as it's deemed by society.
As I said earlier, there was a 20 year age gap between my uncle and aunty, they were happily married for many years (only ended by his death). They had 5 lovely daughters. But to you, that's odd. |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 05:58 - Nov 12 | Benters |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:04 - Nov 12 by The_Romford_Blue |
If they got together when one is 38 and the other is 18, then yeah it’s odd. It’s two completely different stages of life. A brain isn’t even fully developed at 18. It’s weird to me that either party could have attraction to the other to actually spend the time for a real relationship. One night together is icky but a whole relationship.. it’s disturbing to me personally.
Whereas 45 and 65 would have the same brain development and I don’t think that’s anywhere remotely the same as the above. Despite the 20 year age difference being the same number of years. |
What do you think of the old geezers and their younger Thai brides?
We had a few of them in the village over the years, and the husbands were always sending money out to the family of the said brides.
Not only that it’s a roaring trade In those sort of countries old boys going on ‘golfing holidays’ etc. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 07:04 - Nov 12 | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:04 - Nov 12 by The_Romford_Blue |
If they got together when one is 38 and the other is 18, then yeah it’s odd. It’s two completely different stages of life. A brain isn’t even fully developed at 18. It’s weird to me that either party could have attraction to the other to actually spend the time for a real relationship. One night together is icky but a whole relationship.. it’s disturbing to me personally.
Whereas 45 and 65 would have the same brain development and I don’t think that’s anywhere remotely the same as the above. Despite the 20 year age difference being the same number of years. |
I can't even remember their ages when they met, but I was making a wider point.
If a couple are happily married for 30 years and have 5 lovely, well-adjusted, daughters, I don't think it's right for anyone else to say their relationship was odd.
To be clear, what Walliams was allegedly doing (using a power and status imbalance to snare vulnerable young women) is entirely different. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 07:21 - Nov 12 | NthQldITFC |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 05:53 - Nov 12 by Benters |
Love is a many splendid thing. |
Then you're doing it wrong.
It's 'many-splendoured' - 'our', not 'i' - unless you're doing it alone, I suppose. |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 07:41 - Nov 12 | Benters |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 07:21 - Nov 12 by NthQldITFC |
Then you're doing it wrong.
It's 'many-splendoured' - 'our', not 'i' - unless you're doing it alone, I suppose. |
Crikey I’d been singing it wrong on a building site for years. | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:21 - Nov 12 | itfcjoe |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 17:23 - Nov 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm with you. Each to their own but I do find it a little odd. I remember being in sixth form and this guy in his 30s was waiting for one of the girls. Big difference between something like 45/31 and 32/18 IMO even though the gap is the same. |
I don't know where it came from, but someone once said to me 'half your age plus 7' which seems to be a relatively sensible approach and doesn't look out the way at most ages.
I don't think I know many couples that fall outside that at the start, I'm in my (very!) early 40s and have a 19 and 15 year old niece, when I speak to them and their friends it's incredible to think men of my age would be interested in them.
I remember at school 25+ year old blokes picking up girls who were 15/16, and a couple of nights they'd come out with us to things like fireworks, they couldn't have been bigger losers as you'd expect - it was laughable |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:32 - Nov 12 | bartyg |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 18:08 - Nov 11 by Ryorry |
It's not "personal"; most on here would challenge that sort of labelling if it were applied to other groups of people. |
It clearly is personal, given many people are highlighting cases where "actually it all turned out well when my X got with a woman half his age"
Also, "groups of people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You're surely not trying to call it discrimination? |  |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:45 - Nov 12 | Blueschev |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:21 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
I don't know where it came from, but someone once said to me 'half your age plus 7' which seems to be a relatively sensible approach and doesn't look out the way at most ages.
I don't think I know many couples that fall outside that at the start, I'm in my (very!) early 40s and have a 19 and 15 year old niece, when I speak to them and their friends it's incredible to think men of my age would be interested in them.
I remember at school 25+ year old blokes picking up girls who were 15/16, and a couple of nights they'd come out with us to things like fireworks, they couldn't have been bigger losers as you'd expect - it was laughable |
Wasn't that Elijah Mohammad's advise to Malcolm X? |  | | |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:58 - Nov 12 | itfcjoe |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:45 - Nov 12 by Blueschev |
Wasn't that Elijah Mohammad's advise to Malcolm X? |
Just had a look, it is from Max O'Rell’s 1901 book Her Royal Highness, Woman: And His Majesty Cupid.....but in there it seems to state a man 'should' marry a woman half his age plus 7, as opposed to a boundary
It would certainly be good advice to celebrity men like Walliams, because a 30 year old bomabarding a 22 year old to try and groom them is never going to look like it has done with teenagers even though the gap isn't a lot | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 10:01 - Nov 12 | _CliveBaker_ |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:08 - Nov 12 by The_Romford_Blue |
Holdup why am I getting it in the neck many days after the OP. It was fascinating in the sense of to query what is the correct outcome as to whether to name him or not as this would be a legal first to not publish something very much in the public interest because of his human right to not die. Despite it being self inflicted if he was to die as a result of the story naming him (he was outright threatening suicide rather than that he’d be murdered by a vigilante group).
Suggesting I’m saying that the potential suicide, or even that I said rape is fascinating, is frankly out of order. You purposely ignoring my carefully worded, well explained and balanced OP - is out of order. [Post edited 12 Nov 1:11]
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Doubt it was personal, but seeing how gleeful some people are when it comes to this sort of stuff is a bit depressing. People seem to be reaching for the popcorn with excitement to see who the next public nonce is, like its reality TV. There are real victims behind all of this and rather than being fascinating viewing I think its deplorable and utterly depressing. Also how comfortable people seem to freely just throw names out there of 'suspect celebrities' with absolutely no basis is really wrong. I've seen 100 names on X, most are probably decent folk who just happen to be in the public eye.
As for age gap relationships which this thread has seemed to go on a tangent of, lets remind ourselves that David Walliams wasn't in loving age gap relationships and those things shouldn't be conflated. He's a sexual predator who intentionally groomed young girls. |  | | |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 10:47 - Nov 12 | Ryorry |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:32 - Nov 12 by bartyg |
It clearly is personal, given many people are highlighting cases where "actually it all turned out well when my X got with a woman half his age"
Also, "groups of people" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You're surely not trying to call it discrimination? |
No it isn't/wasn't.
There was my & my parents' lives.
Then there was completely separately, my critical analysis entirely from a sociological point of view, which was 100% objective.
Some of you on the opposing side of the argument on the other hand, are by your own admission applying your own *personal* subjective feelings and judgemental negative attitudes in blanket fashion, to people you've never met. That's prejudice, as I said.
On the positive side, this place certainly keeps me engaged and distracted! | |
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 11:11 - Nov 12 | mellowblue |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 09:58 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
Just had a look, it is from Max O'Rell’s 1901 book Her Royal Highness, Woman: And His Majesty Cupid.....but in there it seems to state a man 'should' marry a woman half his age plus 7, as opposed to a boundary
It would certainly be good advice to celebrity men like Walliams, because a 30 year old bomabarding a 22 year old to try and groom them is never going to look like it has done with teenagers even though the gap isn't a lot |
I've known about the half your age + seven for a male, for a long time and the maths work well enough if you are talking biological attraction. As a 64 year old and if single I would find the idea of a 39 year old femaIe bed-mate to be not unattractive. If I was 18 it would be 16 and so on. Not sure if the formula is as appealing from a female perspective. | | | |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 11:23 - Nov 12 | mellowblue |
| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 01:04 - Nov 12 by The_Romford_Blue |
If they got together when one is 38 and the other is 18, then yeah it’s odd. It’s two completely different stages of life. A brain isn’t even fully developed at 18. It’s weird to me that either party could have attraction to the other to actually spend the time for a real relationship. One night together is icky but a whole relationship.. it’s disturbing to me personally.
Whereas 45 and 65 would have the same brain development and I don’t think that’s anywhere remotely the same as the above. Despite the 20 year age difference being the same number of years. |
The maturity gap between women and men at 18 can be stark. Women often have a strong idea of what they want at that age while men are still on their x-boxes trying to outdo their buddies. Biological thing as well as mental. Traditionally, more usual than not the male in a relationship was a few years more than the female. It took the male a few years to establish himself in life, while the woman was ready to consider marriage from 16 -18 upwards. Worked that way for centuries. I have noticed that those currently in their teens and 20s are settling down later and later, but there are many reasons for that. Societal change. I find it odd that you find age gaps disturbing.. As long as it works for both parties, whats the bother about it ? Be more tolerant. [Post edited 12 Nov 11:24]
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| The unnamed celebrity scandal on 11:49 - Nov 12 | SirBobbysBoys |
Anyone gonna be fielding guesses as to who this one is? |  | | |
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