| Where's the Point ? 12:28 - Nov 11 with 877 views | OldFart71 |
According to "The panel" Town should have had a penalty against Hull when O'Shea was pulled down.
Truthfully where is the point in all this rubbish.
On a match day you have four officials, then you have around three monitoring screens for VAR.
Then you have a five person panel checking the rights or wrongs of a decision.
It is utter madness.
The whole reason supposedly behind VAR was to prevent contentious decisions.
All these costs just to be in a position where there's never been so much controversy.
Unless you have a system whereby human error or bias is taken out of on field decisions we will always be in this position. |  | | |  |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:36 - Nov 11 | BseaBlue |
Have to agree. It kind of makes a mockery of VAR that even though it is being used, it is still getting it wrong.
There was meant to be a big campaign of clamping down on the pushing and pulling in the box from set pieces. VAR decided to ignore that when O'Shea was literally flung all over the place by his shirt.
On one hand, I like the fact that there is clear accountabiltiy for these decisions but then you are right that it is just causing more controversy.
On another note, the 5 second rule was brought in to speed up keepers, throw ins etc but as seen on Sunday, the refs will use it when they can be ar5ed too or when the crowd kicks up a stink as opposed to using it consistently. |  | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:39 - Nov 11 | _CliveBaker_ |
Ridiculous isn't it. Cheers for that, should've had a penalty 1.5 weeks ago, what does anyone do with that information?
By all means use incidents and learnings to keep developing the referees, but I don't see the point in this panel at all. |  | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:44 - Nov 11 | MattinLondon |
I imagine the “point” of it is to be seen as transparent and trying to ensure that match officials are held accountable for their on-pitch decisions. Whether this works or not, I don’t know. |  | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:44 - Nov 11 | Vaughan8 |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:36 - Nov 11 by BseaBlue |
Have to agree. It kind of makes a mockery of VAR that even though it is being used, it is still getting it wrong.
There was meant to be a big campaign of clamping down on the pushing and pulling in the box from set pieces. VAR decided to ignore that when O'Shea was literally flung all over the place by his shirt.
On one hand, I like the fact that there is clear accountabiltiy for these decisions but then you are right that it is just causing more controversy.
On another note, the 5 second rule was brought in to speed up keepers, throw ins etc but as seen on Sunday, the refs will use it when they can be ar5ed too or when the crowd kicks up a stink as opposed to using it consistently. |
This 5 second rule, as with a lot of new rules, gets implemented initially and now its all a bit half @rsed.
I thought it was good in the World cup mind. How many overturned throw-ins have you seen? Not many. ALso the goal kicks and corners need a time too. Didn't bournemouth take nearly 30 seconds to take a corner in the first half the other day?
Back on the point of these checks...…its pretty meaningless. I guess it just "justifies" the unlucky decision. [Post edited 11 Nov 12:54]
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| Where's the Point ? on 12:52 - Nov 11 | Garv |
It is genuine madness.
But I actually blame the fans and managers/clubs, because it's mainly due to their constant p*ssing and moaning about every single decision. "What about our one from last week?", "where's the consistency?" "Conspiracy this conspiracy that". It's so so boring now.
The authorities shouldn't be bowing down to the mob as much as they are, because as you say it just creates more controversy (and it's ultimately pointless because it doesn't affect the game retrospectively). Not to mention it further undermines the referees who are just joke figures nowadays, unfairly. |  |
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| Where's the Point ? on 12:58 - Nov 11 | Garv |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:44 - Nov 11 by Vaughan8 |
This 5 second rule, as with a lot of new rules, gets implemented initially and now its all a bit half @rsed.
I thought it was good in the World cup mind. How many overturned throw-ins have you seen? Not many. ALso the goal kicks and corners need a time too. Didn't bournemouth take nearly 30 seconds to take a corner in the first half the other day?
Back on the point of these checks...…its pretty meaningless. I guess it just "justifies" the unlucky decision. [Post edited 11 Nov 12:54]
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It's quite funny watching the ref do his countdown for goal kicks and when the ball is in hand. He obviously chooses when to start the countdown, which is often well after the keeper has actually collected or spotted the ball - fair enough if he's dived to catch it or whatever but they often wait ages before starting. He can also count as quickly or slowly as he wants. The one for Martinez at Everton the other week was actually a pretty quick countdown. I think they just estimate when the keeper will actually release the ball and base the countdown on that, so they can be seen to be implementing the rule.
I don't like the throw in one. We're losing 2-0 on Sunday and desperately trying to find an option for a throw to get the ball moving again, and the referee is putting pressure on us to throw it? It's not timewasting. | |
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| Where's the Point ? on 13:08 - Nov 11 | _CliveBaker_ |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:44 - Nov 11 by Vaughan8 |
This 5 second rule, as with a lot of new rules, gets implemented initially and now its all a bit half @rsed.
I thought it was good in the World cup mind. How many overturned throw-ins have you seen? Not many. ALso the goal kicks and corners need a time too. Didn't bournemouth take nearly 30 seconds to take a corner in the first half the other day?
Back on the point of these checks...…its pretty meaningless. I guess it just "justifies" the unlucky decision. [Post edited 11 Nov 12:54]
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I thought the 5 second rule was associated with picking a hobnob up off the floor when you drop it? | | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 13:17 - Nov 11 | SitfcB |
It’s all a load of bòllocks. Don’t know why they bother with it. A pointless exercise. Just annoys people. |  |
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| Where's the Point ? on 14:13 - Nov 11 | mellowblue |
Possibly gives a good pointer to refs as to what is acceptable/ not acceptable. Seems harmless to me. interpretation of the laws is never going to be a finite thing. Some you win, some you lose. It has always been the way. Annoying when it always seems that the bigger teams are favoured. Again, always been the way. | | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 15:11 - Nov 11 | ElderGrizzly |
| Where's the Point ? on 13:17 - Nov 11 by SitfcB |
It’s all a load of bòllocks. Don’t know why they bother with it. A pointless exercise. Just annoys people. |
As long as it means refs are held accountable and are not picked for a few games etc it might have an impact.
It might also give us a lean towards a decision in our 50/50 favour at some point. It shouldn't, but human nature and all that... |  | | |
| Where's the Point ? on 15:18 - Nov 11 | DanTheMan |
| Where's the Point ? on 15:11 - Nov 11 by ElderGrizzly |
As long as it means refs are held accountable and are not picked for a few games etc it might have an impact.
It might also give us a lean towards a decision in our 50/50 favour at some point. It shouldn't, but human nature and all that... |
PGMOL seems very much like a "jobs for the boys" organisation. |  |
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| Where's the Point ? on 15:34 - Nov 11 | Dubtractor |
| Where's the Point ? on 15:18 - Nov 11 by DanTheMan |
PGMOL seems very much like a "jobs for the boys" organisation. |
Yep. Bit like when the police or the press investigate themselves. |  |
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| Where's the Point ? on 16:01 - Nov 11 | NthQldITFC |
| Where's the Point ? on 13:17 - Nov 11 by SitfcB |
It’s all a load of bòllocks. Don’t know why they bother with it. A pointless exercise. Just annoys people. |
Apologies, wrong correspondent. [Post edited 11 Nov 16:02]
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| Where's the Point ? on 16:01 - Nov 11 | NthQldITFC |
| Where's the Point ? on 13:08 - Nov 11 by _CliveBaker_ |
I thought the 5 second rule was associated with picking a hobnob up off the floor when you drop it? |
Is it 5 seconds on any floor?
Would it be the same in Buckingham Palace as in, for example, the Churchmans bogs of legend? | |
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| Where's the Point ? on 16:11 - Nov 11 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The DOS one with Mendy has really annoyed me, that is a textbook Pen and could have easily been reviewed, especially with all the noise they made in the summer about corners. |  |
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| Where's the Point ? on 16:12 - Nov 11 | blue_curacao |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:58 - Nov 11 by Garv |
It's quite funny watching the ref do his countdown for goal kicks and when the ball is in hand. He obviously chooses when to start the countdown, which is often well after the keeper has actually collected or spotted the ball - fair enough if he's dived to catch it or whatever but they often wait ages before starting. He can also count as quickly or slowly as he wants. The one for Martinez at Everton the other week was actually a pretty quick countdown. I think they just estimate when the keeper will actually release the ball and base the countdown on that, so they can be seen to be implementing the rule.
I don't like the throw in one. We're losing 2-0 on Sunday and desperately trying to find an option for a throw to get the ball moving again, and the referee is putting pressure on us to throw it? It's not timewasting. |
It was driving me mad on Sunday. Every time that Bournemouth had a goal kick, they would waste loads of time, the ref. would watch them do it and then, when the keeper decided he was ready he would place the ball down on the six yard box, the ref would then blow his whistle and start his countdown. Absolutely pointless! The countdown always started after the timewasting had taken place.
Similarly with throw ins, the ref would watch their player walk across the pitch at slower than normal walking pace, mess around for a bit and then pick the ball up to take the throw at which point the countdown would start.
And why doesn't the ref or lino ever make sure the throw is taken from the right place? The lino needs a can of spray like the ref so he can mark the spot where the ball goes out - simple, but will it happen? No
And while I'm on a rant, when did the rules change to allow two handed pushes on opposing players and to allow opposing players to stand as close as they like to a free kick if it's not on the edge of the area?
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| Where's the Point ? on 17:19 - Nov 11 | Dubtractor |
| Where's the Point ? on 16:12 - Nov 11 by blue_curacao |
It was driving me mad on Sunday. Every time that Bournemouth had a goal kick, they would waste loads of time, the ref. would watch them do it and then, when the keeper decided he was ready he would place the ball down on the six yard box, the ref would then blow his whistle and start his countdown. Absolutely pointless! The countdown always started after the timewasting had taken place.
Similarly with throw ins, the ref would watch their player walk across the pitch at slower than normal walking pace, mess around for a bit and then pick the ball up to take the throw at which point the countdown would start.
And why doesn't the ref or lino ever make sure the throw is taken from the right place? The lino needs a can of spray like the ref so he can mark the spot where the ball goes out - simple, but will it happen? No
And while I'm on a rant, when did the rules change to allow two handed pushes on opposing players and to allow opposing players to stand as close as they like to a free kick if it's not on the edge of the area?
Grrr! |
Yep, all that has happened is that teams have worked out other ways to time waste, often still with goal kicks and throw ins, eg no one goes to take the throw in. | |
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| Where's the Point ? on 17:38 - Nov 11 | Swansea_Blue |
| Where's the Point ? on 12:39 - Nov 11 by _CliveBaker_ |
Ridiculous isn't it. Cheers for that, should've had a penalty 1.5 weeks ago, what does anyone do with that information?
By all means use incidents and learnings to keep developing the referees, but I don't see the point in this panel at all. |
Wait 1.5 weeks for a room full of faceless officials to tell us what we knew either in real time or at most after a couple of replays. Yeah, thanks for that! |  |
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