| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... 13:21 - Jul 16 with 4500 views | itfcjoe |
http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/david-mcgoldrick-to-join-sheffield-united-on-trial-1
The Sheffield Star reports that Blades boss Chris Wilder has spoken at length to former Town manager Mick McCarthy about the front man’s numerous niggles, with McCarthy advising that they were exacerbated by a three hour commute from his family home in Nottingham.
If we were allowing a player on £20k a week to commute that far, which made his injuries worse then what on earth are we playing at?! |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:23 - Jul 16 with 4012 views | Reuser_is_God |
I thought that when I read it.
It can’t be true though surely? Maybe every now & then he’d travel back after a few days with his family etc but I doubt he done this on a daily basis. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:25 - Jul 16 with 3970 views | Kieran_Knows |
Did he do his rehab at the club when he was injured? |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:26 - Jul 16 with 3948 views | Bluefish |
If his contract doesn't state that he has to live nearby not much can be done. It is very common for footballers to commute for a couple of hours. He also had a flat near Ipswich |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:26 - Jul 16 with 3950 views | JimmyJazz |
RK would never have allowed that kind of situation
If true it sounds like McGoldrick basically did whatever he liked |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:27 - Jul 16 with 3960 views | PhilTWTD |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:23 - Jul 16 by Reuser_is_God |
I thought that when I read it.
It can’t be true though surely? Maybe every now & then he’d travel back after a few days with his family etc but I doubt he done this on a daily basis. |
Of course not daily, he had a flat in town. I seem to recall Luke Varney saying he was staying there during one of Didzy's longer spells out. However, travelling backwards and forwards a couple of times a week can't help, other players have said similar when playing a distance away from their family homes, which isn't uncommon in football.
Found Varney story:
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:32 - Jul 16 with 3865 views | DanFord |
I think it's obvious that Mick's approach was very much to treat every player as a grown up and not manage them to closely. If I recall we let the over 25's do whatever they wanted in the gym didn't we because they 'knew their bodies'. Whilst this would have created a very good camp with players being loyal to Mick because they knew how good they had it, you have to question his ability to get the extra 10% needed from the players, who initially in the first few years gave everything but then didn't seem to give as much. It's like your boss saying it's okay to use your phone at work. I get the impression Mick was more a 'if you want to send texts, or look at TWTD or watch Netflix you can' because he thought it was good for morale, whereas Hurst seems a more 'you're here to work, so work and use your phone at breaks' type. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:37 - Jul 16 with 3794 views | hype313 |
You do get the impression now with Hurst in charge that under Mick it was all a bit pedestrian, bit all too easy going. And that's understandable if the remit from the top was for Mick to just make us competitive in the league an not go down, the whole ethos from top to bottom was not to reach for the stars.
Hopefully going forward things will have a bit of a shake up and Hurst's contract is performance related to a certain degree. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:41 - Jul 16 with 3741 views | Garv |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:37 - Jul 16 by hype313 |
You do get the impression now with Hurst in charge that under Mick it was all a bit pedestrian, bit all too easy going. And that's understandable if the remit from the top was for Mick to just make us competitive in the league an not go down, the whole ethos from top to bottom was not to reach for the stars.
Hopefully going forward things will have a bit of a shake up and Hurst's contract is performance related to a certain degree. |
Ambition has not been a word I would associate with the club with in recent years, sadly. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:29 - Jul 16 with 3483 views | No9 |
It isn't just this that brings into question MM's football management in the modern era is it? | | | |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:50 - Jul 16 with 3367 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 13:32 - Jul 16 by DanFord |
I think it's obvious that Mick's approach was very much to treat every player as a grown up and not manage them to closely. If I recall we let the over 25's do whatever they wanted in the gym didn't we because they 'knew their bodies'. Whilst this would have created a very good camp with players being loyal to Mick because they knew how good they had it, you have to question his ability to get the extra 10% needed from the players, who initially in the first few years gave everything but then didn't seem to give as much. It's like your boss saying it's okay to use your phone at work. I get the impression Mick was more a 'if you want to send texts, or look at TWTD or watch Netflix you can' because he thought it was good for morale, whereas Hurst seems a more 'you're here to work, so work and use your phone at breaks' type. |
Seen a lot of comments on here like this lately, which I find bizarre quite frankly
If there’s one thing you can’t criticise Micks teams here for it was their work rate and effort - unfortunately the quality was rarely at the same level which is where the problems lied |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:57 - Jul 16 with 3325 views | Ryorry |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:50 - Jul 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Seen a lot of comments on here like this lately, which I find bizarre quite frankly
If there’s one thing you can’t criticise Micks teams here for it was their work rate and effort - unfortunately the quality was rarely at the same level which is where the problems lied |
You could (and many people did) criticise their fitness, the injury rates, and recovery from injuries generally though. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:58 - Jul 16 with 3304 views | Herbivore |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:50 - Jul 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Seen a lot of comments on here like this lately, which I find bizarre quite frankly
If there’s one thing you can’t criticise Micks teams here for it was their work rate and effort - unfortunately the quality was rarely at the same level which is where the problems lied |
This. We were known for our work ethic and it's not like Mick has a reputation for being a big softy that tolerates slackers. In fact when he was still here people were suggesting that part of the reason we get so many injuries is because of working the players too hard. It's all very odd how there's still a deep need in some to make stuff up to criticise him for. People need to move on and get over it. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:03 - Jul 16 with 3263 views | Darth_Koont |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:57 - Jul 16 by Ryorry |
You could (and many people did) criticise their fitness, the injury rates, and recovery from injuries generally though. |
Actually, many people were saying they were worked too hard hence the injuries. Now, I'm not saying Hurst won't have a different and healthier approach here but he prides himself on working players a lot harder than they're used to.
Whatever the whys and wherefores, there seems to be a need to turn MM and PH into diametrical opposites when it hardly seems the case. Personally, I hope Hurst can build on the attributes Mick did bring to the squad like workrate and togetherness but get us playing a bit more. That last "tweak" on its own is difficult enough in this league so he'll be a great appointment if he can manage that. |  |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:14 - Jul 16 with 3186 views | Ryorry |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:03 - Jul 16 by Darth_Koont |
Actually, many people were saying they were worked too hard hence the injuries. Now, I'm not saying Hurst won't have a different and healthier approach here but he prides himself on working players a lot harder than they're used to.
Whatever the whys and wherefores, there seems to be a need to turn MM and PH into diametrical opposites when it hardly seems the case. Personally, I hope Hurst can build on the attributes Mick did bring to the squad like workrate and togetherness but get us playing a bit more. That last "tweak" on its own is difficult enough in this league so he'll be a great appointment if he can manage that. |
I didn't make a judgement myself. Did those "many people" saying they were "worked too hard hence the injuries" include anybody behind the scenes who would actually have been in the know? | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:14 - Jul 16 with 3187 views | itfcjoe |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:03 - Jul 16 by Darth_Koont |
Actually, many people were saying they were worked too hard hence the injuries. Now, I'm not saying Hurst won't have a different and healthier approach here but he prides himself on working players a lot harder than they're used to.
Whatever the whys and wherefores, there seems to be a need to turn MM and PH into diametrical opposites when it hardly seems the case. Personally, I hope Hurst can build on the attributes Mick did bring to the squad like workrate and togetherness but get us playing a bit more. That last "tweak" on its own is difficult enough in this league so he'll be a great appointment if he can manage that. |
Plus, use sports science to try and keep players fitter.
Whilst Mick worked them hard, feels as though Hurst will work them hard and smart.
There was the story about how Downes and Nydam were being overworked in eyes of England medical staff, and I've heard from a player that any fit first teamer was banned from the gym as Mick didn't like it, plus Andy liddell saying those over 25 can look after themselves.
All paints a picture that methods were dated and needed bringing forwards | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:20 - Jul 16 with 3145 views | DanFord |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:50 - Jul 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Seen a lot of comments on here like this lately, which I find bizarre quite frankly
If there’s one thing you can’t criticise Micks teams here for it was their work rate and effort - unfortunately the quality was rarely at the same level which is where the problems lied |
I disagree. In the first 3 seasons Mick's teams would run through a wall for him. We were hard to beat, hard to score against and we closed teams down all over the pitch. The last 2.5 years there was a huge drop off. Giving teams space, conceding silly goals, basic errors and Mick never addressed these. We were exceptionally hard working at the start but by the end we were a shadow of the hard to beat sides of 2014 / 15. | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:22 - Jul 16 with 3127 views | Darth_Koont |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:14 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Plus, use sports science to try and keep players fitter.
Whilst Mick worked them hard, feels as though Hurst will work them hard and smart.
There was the story about how Downes and Nydam were being overworked in eyes of England medical staff, and I've heard from a player that any fit first teamer was banned from the gym as Mick didn't like it, plus Andy liddell saying those over 25 can look after themselves.
All paints a picture that methods were dated and needed bringing forwards |
I think that's reading things a certain way. For instance, I read the Liddell quote more as that he trusts the feedback from players over a certain age. And it was only re: certain exercises so it wasn't as if they were training on their own. This is also the Liddell I believe we tried to keep on even after Mick had left.
But it sounds as if Hurst is more reliant on science (or at least talks about it more). That's a good thing. | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:29 - Jul 16 with 3053 views | itfcjoe |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:22 - Jul 16 by Darth_Koont |
I think that's reading things a certain way. For instance, I read the Liddell quote more as that he trusts the feedback from players over a certain age. And it was only re: certain exercises so it wasn't as if they were training on their own. This is also the Liddell I believe we tried to keep on even after Mick had left.
But it sounds as if Hurst is more reliant on science (or at least talks about it more). That's a good thing. |
We were one of the only pro clubs not to use GPS monitors in pre season too, that stuff should be fairly basic - I'm pretty sure the academy used them but first team didn't | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:37 - Jul 16 with 2985 views | No9 |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 14:50 - Jul 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Seen a lot of comments on here like this lately, which I find bizarre quite frankly
If there’s one thing you can’t criticise Micks teams here for it was their work rate and effort - unfortunately the quality was rarely at the same level which is where the problems lied |
Hmmm!, there several players in the starting 11 who didn't touch the ball much & certainly didn't run after it a lot.
The other telling thing was how many players MM said needed to come off circa 1 hour as they were knackered?
There were always questions about fitness from Towns ex pro's players who said playign 3 games a week shouldn't be a problem for fit players.
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:45 - Jul 16 with 2931 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:20 - Jul 16 by DanFord |
I disagree. In the first 3 seasons Mick's teams would run through a wall for him. We were hard to beat, hard to score against and we closed teams down all over the pitch. The last 2.5 years there was a huge drop off. Giving teams space, conceding silly goals, basic errors and Mick never addressed these. We were exceptionally hard working at the start but by the end we were a shadow of the hard to beat sides of 2014 / 15. |
For me that’s as simple as the fact that Berra began to age and we struggled to replace him. I think you’re looking to hard for things to criticise - if we hadn’t have continued to work hard then we would have been in danger of relegation, as it was literally the thing we did best | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:53 - Jul 16 with 2883 views | Darth_Koont |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:14 - Jul 16 by Ryorry |
I didn't make a judgement myself. Did those "many people" saying they were "worked too hard hence the injuries" include anybody behind the scenes who would actually have been in the know? |
No idea. Doubt it.
Also no-one could explain why we had a crisis in central midfield while the rest of the squad seemed to do comparatively well with injuries. Almost as if it was a bit random. The new physio confirmed that many were freak injuries that they couldn't legislate against.
Like anything in a void of information and real first-hand knowledge and experience these things can tend to be blown out of all proportion. | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 16:00 - Jul 16 with 2853 views | itfcjoe |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:53 - Jul 16 by Darth_Koont |
No idea. Doubt it.
Also no-one could explain why we had a crisis in central midfield while the rest of the squad seemed to do comparatively well with injuries. Almost as if it was a bit random. The new physio confirmed that many were freak injuries that they couldn't legislate against.
Like anything in a void of information and real first-hand knowledge and experience these things can tend to be blown out of all proportion. |
There was also an injury crisis at centre back early in the season - it wasn't just the midfield issue | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 16:01 - Jul 16 with 2834 views | Darth_Koont |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 15:29 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
We were one of the only pro clubs not to use GPS monitors in pre season too, that stuff should be fairly basic - I'm pretty sure the academy used them but first team didn't |
I don't know why. Maybe as one of the hardest working teams already and after years together they didn't feel the same need.
I'm not doubting things can be improved. For instance, I think there might be an issue with abortive comebacks over the years and this could be managed better. But I don't have the specifics or the knowledge to make that case.
If Hurst is much more driven by the science and getting to the bottom of these issues then hopefully now we can be confident we're doing all we can. | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 16:05 - Jul 16 with 2808 views | Darth_Koont |
| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 16:00 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
There was also an injury crisis at centre back early in the season - it wasn't just the midfield issue |
Yes, Webster and Smith. That happens especially when we only really had Chambers as the other CB.
Nothing like the weight of bodies in central midfield even if many already had injury concerns before last season. | |
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| If this is true then it is a disgrace.... on 16:13 - Jul 16 with 2764 views | WadeyBlue |
When he first signed he was living with wife and kids near ravenswood. A mate of mine used to talk to him on the school run.
Reckon after the Leicester bid his family moved back up to the midlands. | |
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