| Ben Woodburn linked 11:40 - Aug 18 with 3246 views | Mullet |
Wonder if it is one of those rumours repeated from someone suggesting him on social media. I can only assume it's because we lost Morris and have not retained Rowe or Garbutt that a player like that becomes viable?
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:43 - Aug 18 with 2828 views | Kieran_Knows |
We need another option in the wide area and he'd be a very good signing for that. Hope it happens. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:43 - Aug 18 with 2824 views | factual_blue |
That reminds me - we're having our woodburner cleaned and serviced on Thursday. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:48 - Aug 18 with 2792 views | Mullet |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:43 - Aug 18 by Kieran_Knows |
We need another option in the wide area and he'd be a very good signing for that. Hope it happens. |
Same, although it presumably limits Dobra more and maybe others. Judge will no longer be shoved out there and if Sears is as effective at this level as he should be it does create competition or a reason to loan out more youths. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:08 - Aug 18 with 2666 views | Parky |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:43 - Aug 18 by Kieran_Knows |
We need another option in the wide area and he'd be a very good signing for that. Hope it happens. |
Have to disagree with this, if there’s ever a season for our own crop of youngsters to push on, it should be next. With the likes of Lankester, Dobra, El Mizouni all coming through, thrown in with Edwards, Sears, Jackson can play out wide.
Just feel like signing someone like Woodburn on loan will hinder the progress of any of our actual own youngsters. |  | | |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:10 - Aug 18 with 2649 views | monty_radio |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:43 - Aug 18 by factual_blue |
That reminds me - we're having our woodburner cleaned and serviced on Thursday. |
I think that says something about the humdrum world of following Ipswich Town in that mention of a link to a Liverpool starlet directs your attention to an upcoming domestic task. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:11 - Aug 18 with 2629 views | Mullet |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:10 - Aug 18 by monty_radio |
I think that says something about the humdrum world of following Ipswich Town in that mention of a link to a Liverpool starlet directs your attention to an upcoming domestic task. |
Cleaning out your pipes at his age is probably a big deal to be fair. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:19 - Aug 18 with 2553 views | Chrisd |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:08 - Aug 18 by Parky |
Have to disagree with this, if there’s ever a season for our own crop of youngsters to push on, it should be next. With the likes of Lankester, Dobra, El Mizouni all coming through, thrown in with Edwards, Sears, Jackson can play out wide.
Just feel like signing someone like Woodburn on loan will hinder the progress of any of our actual own youngsters. |
The time is right to give our youngsters their head. If they are deemed good enough, give them the confidence and opportunity to play. Stop hindering their progress by putting more blockers in front of them. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:32 - Aug 18 with 2449 views | kizaitfc |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:08 - Aug 18 by Parky |
Have to disagree with this, if there’s ever a season for our own crop of youngsters to push on, it should be next. With the likes of Lankester, Dobra, El Mizouni all coming through, thrown in with Edwards, Sears, Jackson can play out wide.
Just feel like signing someone like Woodburn on loan will hinder the progress of any of our actual own youngsters. |
We need to stop the whole this player can play there - lets just get players playing in their best position.
Sears and Jackson are better up top, Sears should easily be good enough as a striker in this division if not then maybe his time is up and we should send him back to Col U.
I also thought Dobra and El Mizouni preferred playing central or as a no. 10
We are very light on decent wingers and if we can get a player of Woodburn's quality in on loan I see no reason why that would be bad business | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:40 - Aug 18 with 2384 views | Parky |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:32 - Aug 18 by kizaitfc |
We need to stop the whole this player can play there - lets just get players playing in their best position.
Sears and Jackson are better up top, Sears should easily be good enough as a striker in this division if not then maybe his time is up and we should send him back to Col U.
I also thought Dobra and El Mizouni preferred playing central or as a no. 10
We are very light on decent wingers and if we can get a player of Woodburn's quality in on loan I see no reason why that would be bad business |
I have to disagree again, modern footballers play in a different range of positions and that’s across every level. Whether that be CDM’s moving into CB, Wingers playing upfront; it happens in the modern game.
Sears hasn’t done enough in the last few years to warrant a place upfront, but his pace out wide offers us more.
I think Lankester, Dobra and El Mizouni can all play anywhere across the front line and IMO that works in their favour. FWIW I think I read somewhere that El Mizouni actually started at Town as a right back and is now favoured in midfield, can even play as an 8.
Ben Woodburn is in the exact same boat and can play anywhere across the front line, out wide or as a 10. We have our own players {see above} who can do this, so we should nurture and progress our own rather than Liverpool’s. | | | |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:45 - Aug 18 with 2340 views | Swansea_Blue |
If there's any truth to this it creates more positional options (headaches?) for Lambert. I think Woodburn prefers to play wide in a front three. He's not an out and out striker, and he's not a midfielder. So are we looking for players to suit a 433 again, or is he seen as a supporting striker in a front 2? Who knows with Lambert.
I can see the argument for using our own players. Jackson (who has to play if he's here) would be a shoe-in for the right of a 3 or one of a front 2. So Lankaster in particular would drop down the pecking order in a front 3.
I'm all for strengthening the squad though, and this guy if fit again would certainly do that. He'd give a lot of options, although we've seen that isn't necessarily a good thing for Lambert to deal with. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:49 - Aug 18 with 2310 views | Garv |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:40 - Aug 18 by Parky |
I have to disagree again, modern footballers play in a different range of positions and that’s across every level. Whether that be CDM’s moving into CB, Wingers playing upfront; it happens in the modern game.
Sears hasn’t done enough in the last few years to warrant a place upfront, but his pace out wide offers us more.
I think Lankester, Dobra and El Mizouni can all play anywhere across the front line and IMO that works in their favour. FWIW I think I read somewhere that El Mizouni actually started at Town as a right back and is now favoured in midfield, can even play as an 8.
Ben Woodburn is in the exact same boat and can play anywhere across the front line, out wide or as a 10. We have our own players {see above} who can do this, so we should nurture and progress our own rather than Liverpool’s. |
I think it very much depends on how much we can expect those three you've mentioned to play every week. Lankester, for example, won't have played a game of football for about 20 months.
I love the look of Dobra, he stood out even at Cambridge in pre season a year ago, so I do hope he gets games. El Mizouni I feel is less likely to be a feature in wide positions, and we've so many numbers in the middle of the pitch. Hope I'm wrong and he rips it up though. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:55 - Aug 18 with 2259 views | kizaitfc |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:40 - Aug 18 by Parky |
I have to disagree again, modern footballers play in a different range of positions and that’s across every level. Whether that be CDM’s moving into CB, Wingers playing upfront; it happens in the modern game.
Sears hasn’t done enough in the last few years to warrant a place upfront, but his pace out wide offers us more.
I think Lankester, Dobra and El Mizouni can all play anywhere across the front line and IMO that works in their favour. FWIW I think I read somewhere that El Mizouni actually started at Town as a right back and is now favoured in midfield, can even play as an 8.
Ben Woodburn is in the exact same boat and can play anywhere across the front line, out wide or as a 10. We have our own players {see above} who can do this, so we should nurture and progress our own rather than Liverpool’s. |
Obviously at this stage without seeing and comparing the players it is an assumption but, I'd assume a youngster going through the ranks at Liverpool will be far superior to our youngsters.
Look at Mason Mount with Derby, Ben White for Leeds, Brewster at Swansea, loan players from the Premier League can make a huge difference.
Yes in the long term I'd love it to be our youngsters we are improving but we need to get ourselves out of this league! | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:57 - Aug 18 with 2248 views | Parky |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:49 - Aug 18 by Garv |
I think it very much depends on how much we can expect those three you've mentioned to play every week. Lankester, for example, won't have played a game of football for about 20 months.
I love the look of Dobra, he stood out even at Cambridge in pre season a year ago, so I do hope he gets games. El Mizouni I feel is less likely to be a feature in wide positions, and we've so many numbers in the middle of the pitch. Hope I'm wrong and he rips it up though. |
Absolutely, I don’t expect any of those three mentioned to be starters every week, but even cameo appearances in what will be quite a hectic schedule will mature them.
Agree it’s unlikely to see El Miz out wide, but I have seen him there before, so if Lambert feels it’s needed. I was more using the fact that all 3 of the mentioned youngsters play in the exact same positions as Ben Woodburn and we then have Jackson, Sears and Edwards who can all feature out wide too, so I’d rather see our own featuring than Liverpool’s. [Post edited 18 Aug 2020 13:09]
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:59 - Aug 18 with 2236 views | Herbivore |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:55 - Aug 18 by kizaitfc |
Obviously at this stage without seeing and comparing the players it is an assumption but, I'd assume a youngster going through the ranks at Liverpool will be far superior to our youngsters.
Look at Mason Mount with Derby, Ben White for Leeds, Brewster at Swansea, loan players from the Premier League can make a huge difference.
Yes in the long term I'd love it to be our youngsters we are improving but we need to get ourselves out of this league! |
How are we going to improve our youngsters if we bring in other clubs' youngsters to play ahead of them? The young players we have should be too plenty good enough to help us get out of this league. If we're signing a young player on loan from the Prem I'd rather it be somewhere that doesn't impede our best youngsters' development. I'd take a striker or a versatile defender on loan but in those number 10 and wide forward roles and in CM I want to see us using our own players. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:12 - Aug 18 with 2193 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:59 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
How are we going to improve our youngsters if we bring in other clubs' youngsters to play ahead of them? The young players we have should be too plenty good enough to help us get out of this league. If we're signing a young player on loan from the Prem I'd rather it be somewhere that doesn't impede our best youngsters' development. I'd take a striker or a versatile defender on loan but in those number 10 and wide forward roles and in CM I want to see us using our own players. |
I agree with you... although given how many injuries we get every season... |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:38 - Aug 18 with 2121 views | Garv |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:59 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
How are we going to improve our youngsters if we bring in other clubs' youngsters to play ahead of them? The young players we have should be too plenty good enough to help us get out of this league. If we're signing a young player on loan from the Prem I'd rather it be somewhere that doesn't impede our best youngsters' development. I'd take a striker or a versatile defender on loan but in those number 10 and wide forward roles and in CM I want to see us using our own players. |
I don't like that it always looks like I'm picking a fight with you, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but how can we be so sure our youngsters are plenty good enough to help us win promotion? Wide forward and no.10 positions need to produce and be able to win games sometimes on their own. It's a lot to ask. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:43 - Aug 18 with 2089 views | kizaitfc |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:38 - Aug 18 by Garv |
I don't like that it always looks like I'm picking a fight with you, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but how can we be so sure our youngsters are plenty good enough to help us win promotion? Wide forward and no.10 positions need to produce and be able to win games sometimes on their own. It's a lot to ask. |
Exactly this, just because they are ITFC young players doesnt mean they are good enough.
We were all raving about Dozzell on here 2 to 3 years back moaning at MM for not playing him enough and now plenty on here slate him for being ineffective.
We havent got long to assemble a team so in my opinion if a player of Woodburn's calibre is available go out and get him. Id much rather he performs for us than Portsmouth. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:12 - Aug 18 with 1997 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 11:48 - Aug 18 by Mullet |
Same, although it presumably limits Dobra more and maybe others. Judge will no longer be shoved out there and if Sears is as effective at this level as he should be it does create competition or a reason to loan out more youths. |
Given how cash strapped lower league clubs are going to be, this season I think we will only be able to loan out our young players if we are happy to continue paying 100% of their wages. |  |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:27 - Aug 18 with 1968 views | Herbivore |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:38 - Aug 18 by Garv |
I don't like that it always looks like I'm picking a fight with you, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but how can we be so sure our youngsters are plenty good enough to help us win promotion? Wide forward and no.10 positions need to produce and be able to win games sometimes on their own. It's a lot to ask. |
Lankester looked a capable player at the level above this before his injury. There are questions over his fitness but not his ability. Dobra likewise whenever he has played has looked a very good footballer, El Miz too.
Likewise, how do we know Woodburn is good enough? He's barely played in his previous loan spells. Being at Liverpool doesn't guarantee he's a good player. Remember Lee Martin, even JET to a lesser extent. Georgiou at Spurs last season was bang average.
If we're gambling on youngsters I'd rather they are our own. We've seen enough to see they have talent, now they need to be given a chance to prove they can produce. I see zero point in bringing in another unproven youngster on loan who may or may not produce and who won't be here the following season if he does. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:31 - Aug 18 with 1952 views | Herbivore |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 13:43 - Aug 18 by kizaitfc |
Exactly this, just because they are ITFC young players doesnt mean they are good enough.
We were all raving about Dozzell on here 2 to 3 years back moaning at MM for not playing him enough and now plenty on here slate him for being ineffective.
We havent got long to assemble a team so in my opinion if a player of Woodburn's calibre is available go out and get him. Id much rather he performs for us than Portsmouth. |
You missed out the part where Dozzell ruptured his knee ligaments and missed a year of football. He'd looked a very good player up to that point.
You don't know that Woodburn is a higher calibre of player, you're making a guess based on the fact he's on Liverpool's books. That doesn't mean as much as you think it does. His last two loan spells haven't amounted to much and he's had a number of injuries. Honestly don't see why you'd be up for bringing him in ahead of our own players. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:35 - Aug 18 with 1939 views | Garv |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:27 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
Lankester looked a capable player at the level above this before his injury. There are questions over his fitness but not his ability. Dobra likewise whenever he has played has looked a very good footballer, El Miz too.
Likewise, how do we know Woodburn is good enough? He's barely played in his previous loan spells. Being at Liverpool doesn't guarantee he's a good player. Remember Lee Martin, even JET to a lesser extent. Georgiou at Spurs last season was bang average.
If we're gambling on youngsters I'd rather they are our own. We've seen enough to see they have talent, now they need to be given a chance to prove they can produce. I see zero point in bringing in another unproven youngster on loan who may or may not produce and who won't be here the following season if he does. |
I agree, they need to be head and shoulders above ours. I couldn't tell if you if Woodburn is that, personally. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:41 - Aug 18 with 1922 views | Herbivore |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:35 - Aug 18 by Garv |
I agree, they need to be head and shoulders above ours. I couldn't tell if you if Woodburn is that, personally. |
Given that he's being linked with League 1 clubs I'd say he's probably not. At his age the better young players from the Prem will be going out on loan to the Championship. On that basis, and given his previous record, I don't see any value in bringing him in and cock blocking our own young players. | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 15:00 - Aug 18 with 1898 views | factual_blue |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 12:11 - Aug 18 by Mullet |
Cleaning out your pipes at his age is probably a big deal to be fair. |
Have they discovered fire yet in Halesworth? | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 15:03 - Aug 18 with 1890 views | Mullet |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 15:00 - Aug 18 by factual_blue |
Have they discovered fire yet in Halesworth? |
You'll find out when your bridge is a skid mark of ash across Ixworth innit | |
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| Ben Woodburn linked on 16:49 - Aug 18 with 1769 views | kizaitfc |
| Ben Woodburn linked on 14:31 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
You missed out the part where Dozzell ruptured his knee ligaments and missed a year of football. He'd looked a very good player up to that point.
You don't know that Woodburn is a higher calibre of player, you're making a guess based on the fact he's on Liverpool's books. That doesn't mean as much as you think it does. His last two loan spells haven't amounted to much and he's had a number of injuries. Honestly don't see why you'd be up for bringing him in ahead of our own players. |
I stated that in an earlier post I am assuming he is a good player, just like you are assuming the ITFC youngsters like Dobra and El Miz can cut it at this level.
All I am saying is if there is the availability of signing a potentially decent winger on loan (hopefully minimal cost) why shouldn't we do it, if he isnt any good we can send him back | |
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