| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday 10:36 - Dec 20 with 7976 views | noggin |
Kind of makes a mockery of the whole tier 4 thing, doesn't it? It was obvious that thousands would leave before the midnight deadline. I wonder how many of those London folks will be visiting pubs, restaurants and multiple family and friends today. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 10:41]
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:40 - Dec 20 with 4947 views | footers |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:41 - Dec 20 with 4919 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:46 - Dec 20 with 4876 views | NthQldITFC |
Excessive praise.
Now, twelve would have been something to write home about. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:49 - Dec 20 with 4842 views | Dubtractor |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:46 - Dec 20 by NthQldITFC |
Excessive praise.
Now, twelve would have been something to write home about. |
Was going to say the same.
I once managed 11, foil still on them too. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:04 - Dec 20 with 4776 views | StokieBlue |
It's hard to see what alternative there was though?
I guess the deadline could have been at 5pm immediately after the press conference but that's all I can think of. It's right they have changed the rules given what is now known about the new variant.
As for the people rushing to leave, I do understand why they are doing that but there is an element of selfishness in their actions. Very little thought being given to what they could inflict on others, only what they want to do for Christmas themselves.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:09 - Dec 20 with 4744 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:04 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
It's hard to see what alternative there was though?
I guess the deadline could have been at 5pm immediately after the press conference but that's all I can think of. It's right they have changed the rules given what is now known about the new variant.
As for the people rushing to leave, I do understand why they are doing that but there is an element of selfishness in their actions. Very little thought being given to what they could inflict on others, only what they want to do for Christmas themselves.
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I would've thought most of those leaving on trains last night will already have had their tickets booked when the announcement was made? | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:13 - Dec 20 with 4725 views | StokieBlue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:09 - Dec 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I would've thought most of those leaving on trains last night will already have had their tickets booked when the announcement was made? |
I would think a lot of them yes but if the deadline was 5pm it wouldn't matter - people couldn't leave after then. That video which was posted was from much later.
Also just because they have a ticket it doesn't mean they have to go. Some people seem to hear the news and then just assume it doesn't apply to them and they couldn't possibly spread the new variant.
Obviously a personal decision given it wasn't law at that time though.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:22 - Dec 20 with 4654 views | Radlett_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:13 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I would think a lot of them yes but if the deadline was 5pm it wouldn't matter - people couldn't leave after then. That video which was posted was from much later.
Also just because they have a ticket it doesn't mean they have to go. Some people seem to hear the news and then just assume it doesn't apply to them and they couldn't possibly spread the new variant.
Obviously a personal decision given it wasn't law at that time though.
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I think a large number of people are fed up with restrictions and simply aren't going to follow them all to the letter. That's inevitable in a Western democracy where people have been used to having huge freedom. Hence locking down was never going to work in the same way as in more repressive, authoritarian regimes such as China. Therefore, trying to control the spread of COVID rather than the hugely expensive & disruptive system of endlessly going in & out of lockdown was a better idea. Obviously, there is no perfect solution. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:25 - Dec 20 with 4643 views | StokieBlue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:22 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
I think a large number of people are fed up with restrictions and simply aren't going to follow them all to the letter. That's inevitable in a Western democracy where people have been used to having huge freedom. Hence locking down was never going to work in the same way as in more repressive, authoritarian regimes such as China. Therefore, trying to control the spread of COVID rather than the hugely expensive & disruptive system of endlessly going in & out of lockdown was a better idea. Obviously, there is no perfect solution. |
I do take your point on lockdowns but that's hard to square with it working very well in Australia where it was much harsher than in the UK given that's a similar Western democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/20/police-to-stop-people-fleeing-ne
Police to be deployed on roads and stations it seems. They really should have set the time to 5pm or something last night if they wanted to contain the new strain as much as possible. It's outcompeting the old strains everywhere - an excellent example of survival of the fittest for teaching if it wasn't so serious and depressing.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:30 - Dec 20 with 4623 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:13 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I would think a lot of them yes but if the deadline was 5pm it wouldn't matter - people couldn't leave after then. That video which was posted was from much later.
Also just because they have a ticket it doesn't mean they have to go. Some people seem to hear the news and then just assume it doesn't apply to them and they couldn't possibly spread the new variant.
Obviously a personal decision given it wasn't law at that time though.
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The point which we seem to be missing is that anyone living in London can’t stay overnight anywhere outside of Tier 4. The fact they managed to leave before the deadline has no relevance as they are required,bylaw, to head straight back and stay at home. Guess many of them will stay at addresses of relatives, or in second homes, and mix with the local community at large. Leading to a further spike.
Never mind they are only following the example of government ministers, and other MPs who did the same in the first lockdown.
Why do people think it is OK if they bend the rules but so wrong for anyone else to do it. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:31 - Dec 20 with 4613 views | Radlett_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:25 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I do take your point on lockdowns but that's hard to square with it working very well in Australia where it was much harsher than in the UK given that's a similar Western democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/20/police-to-stop-people-fleeing-ne
Police to be deployed on roads and stations it seems. They really should have set the time to 5pm or something last night if they wanted to contain the new strain as much as possible. It's outcompeting the old strains everywhere - an excellent example of survival of the fittest for teaching if it wasn't so serious and depressing.
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Australia is a relatively remote island state with way lower population density. | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:33 - Dec 20 with 4599 views | Pinewoodblue |
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Australia is a relatively remote island state with way lower population density. |
Population is however concentrated in a handful of cities. | |
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Australia is a relatively remote island state with way lower population density. |
I do agree with that about the density of Australia being a bit factor but places like Melbourne and now Sydney seem to have accepted strict lockdowns with less fuss than the population of the UK.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:35 - Dec 20 with 4583 views | footers |
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Population is however concentrated in a handful of cities. |
And we are also an island nation. | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:36 - Dec 20 with 4579 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 10:49 - Dec 20 by Dubtractor |
Was going to say the same.
I once managed 11, foil still on them too. |
Did you put them in the freezer first? |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:37 - Dec 20 with 4578 views | factual_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:34 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I do agree with that about the density of Australia being a bit factor but places like Melbourne and now Sydney seem to have accepted strict lockdowns with less fuss than the population of the UK.
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There is something in the assertion that Australian is rather more authoritarian generally than the UK - compulsory voting for example.
Perhaps it's their history as a prison colony. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:41 - Dec 20 with 4536 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:13 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I would think a lot of them yes but if the deadline was 5pm it wouldn't matter - people couldn't leave after then. That video which was posted was from much later.
Also just because they have a ticket it doesn't mean they have to go. Some people seem to hear the news and then just assume it doesn't apply to them and they couldn't possibly spread the new variant.
Obviously a personal decision given it wasn't law at that time though.
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Oh yeah I take your points... but I must admit, if I'd spent hundreds on train tickets, and it was still legal to go, I'd be going.
Also, if you make the deadline immediate, forcing people to lose hundreds of pounds on tickets they'd already bought, you'd surely leave yourself open to all sorts of legal challenges.
The fact is, the stupid 5 day break never should've been in place in the first place. It was madness. | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:42 - Dec 20 with 4518 views | Ace_High1 |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:34 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
I do agree with that about the density of Australia being a bit factor but places like Melbourne and now Sydney seem to have accepted strict lockdowns with less fuss than the population of the UK.
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Because they were lead by LEADERS who made decisive decisions - see Ardern as well.
The people did not like it but they could see the bigger picture and now on the whole get to enjoy their great summer.
By and large the UK has a large % of morons in the population who just think about their rights, freedoms and what they want to do.
If I had an Aussie relation or a way to get an Aussie passport I would be right out of this hellhole of a country as soon as the borders open. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:44 - Dec 20 with 4516 views | factual_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:30 - Dec 20 by Pinewoodblue |
The point which we seem to be missing is that anyone living in London can’t stay overnight anywhere outside of Tier 4. The fact they managed to leave before the deadline has no relevance as they are required,bylaw, to head straight back and stay at home. Guess many of them will stay at addresses of relatives, or in second homes, and mix with the local community at large. Leading to a further spike.
Never mind they are only following the example of government ministers, and other MPs who did the same in the first lockdown.
Why do people think it is OK if they bend the rules but so wrong for anyone else to do it. |
Because they're idiots and hypocrites?
We were supposed to be meeting some friends this morning for a nice walk in the Suffolk countryside.
Around 5.00pm they let us know they won't be able to make it
You don't have to be a genius to work it out....
They have a daughter and son--in-law living in Twickenham. The daughter is heavily pregnant, our friends have health issues: she has a long-term respiratory problem, he had an blood clot earlier in the year.
We've decided we won't be meeting with them again for at least a fortnight. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 11:59]
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:48 - Dec 20 with 4480 views | noggin |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:42 - Dec 20 by Ace_High1 |
Because they were lead by LEADERS who made decisive decisions - see Ardern as well.
The people did not like it but they could see the bigger picture and now on the whole get to enjoy their great summer.
By and large the UK has a large % of morons in the population who just think about their rights, freedoms and what they want to do.
If I had an Aussie relation or a way to get an Aussie passport I would be right out of this hellhole of a country as soon as the borders open. |
Luckily you have the opportunity to move freely around Europe and settle in any EU country you wish. Oh..... | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:09 - Dec 20 with 4396 views | noggin |
Someone rang LBC earlier, from Manchester. He was at The Trafford Centre and got talking to a couple who had travelled from Luton to do their Christmas shopping, "because the shops at home are closed." | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:10 - Dec 20 with 4378 views | Ace_High1 |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:09 - Dec 20 by noggin |
Someone rang LBC earlier, from Manchester. He was at The Trafford Centre and got talking to a couple who had travelled from Luton to do their Christmas shopping, "because the shops at home are closed." |
The Great British Public ladies and gentlemen.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:11 - Dec 20 with 4366 views | noggin |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:10 - Dec 20 by Ace_High1 |
The Great British Public ladies and gentlemen.
Will Norway adopt me? |
They will before 1st Jan. | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:18 - Dec 20 with 4326 views | ClareBlue |
The importance of leadership by example is continually overlooked in this Pandemic but has massive consequences when it is not in place.
When the example is driving to beauty spots on your wife's birthday to test your eyes is given a credible reason for breaking the rules, or telling people to stay at home but you sneak off to see your lover, or your second home, or when you test positive you get on a train from London to Scotland etc etc all lead to a breakdown in collective responsibility.
Add this to confused and contradictory strategies and messages plus a Prime Minister who looks like he is suffering from a hangover every time he appears in public and the general lack of importance on truth and integrity that is shown by the Government, and you get the situation that was last night and any other night.
If you take people for mugs they will rightly only look after their own interests. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:22 - Dec 20 with 4284 views | stantheman |
Makes you proud to be British, like when the children were evacuated out of London during the blitz. |  | | |
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