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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... 12:45 - Apr 4 with 6672 viewsKropotkin123

I saw one of the side points was children should be singing the national anthem in school assemblies. This got me thinking about the national anthem more generally. I think the time has come to change it.

"God save our Queen". The premise being twofold. One, that we believe in God. Two, that we agree with the monarchy.

According to latest data*, more than half of the UK don't associate with a religion and this number is reported to be as low as 1% amongst 18-24 year-olds.

A similar pattern of decline is happening in relation to the monarchy**. Support for the monarchy amongst the 65+ is 84%, whereas amongst 18-24 year-olds it is down to 42%.

I don't believe the solution to this is to try and indoctrinate children by introducing the national anthem in schooling. Rather, to use this decline in both areas as a catalyst to change our national anthem to something more reflective of our societies values and making it more future-proof. Something that celebrates the nation, rather than archaic and increasingly irrelevant institutions.

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/11/uk-secularism-on-rise-as-more-than

** https://www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-b

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:05 - Apr 4 with 2979 viewsOldsmoker

Do we include the last verse?

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!

It was added and sung by soldiers in the 18th century during the Jacobite uprising and never was part of the official anthem.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:09 - Apr 4 with 2966 viewsHerbivore

It's a really awful national anthem. It's just a dirge. You're right that the content hardly touches on things that have universal support amongst UK subjects as well. We need something more unifying.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:11 - Apr 4 with 2953 viewsfooters

Scrap that dirge and replace it with Vindaloo.

No need to thank me, the invoice is in the post.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:12 - Apr 4 with 2943 viewsjeera

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:11 - Apr 4 by footers

Scrap that dirge and replace it with Vindaloo.

No need to thank me, the invoice is in the post.


I can see no issues with that.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:15 - Apr 4 with 2939 viewsJ2BLUE

More importantly we need an English anthem.

I believe we're the only home nation who use the UK anthem before football matches etc? We should have an English anthem.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:16 - Apr 4 with 2926 viewsHerbivore

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:15 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE

More importantly we need an English anthem.

I believe we're the only home nation who use the UK anthem before football matches etc? We should have an English anthem.


Three Lions?

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:20 - Apr 4 with 2914 viewsfooters

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:16 - Apr 4 by Herbivore

Three Lions?


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:38 - Apr 4 with 2875 viewsjeera

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:20 - Apr 4 by footers

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Never saw the fuss over that song.

Vindaloo for me all day. Great energy, lots of daft fun.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:44 - Apr 4 with 2852 viewsGlasgowBlue

Jerusalem should be the national anthem.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:49 - Apr 4 with 2840 viewsfooters

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:38 - Apr 4 by jeera

Never saw the fuss over that song.

Vindaloo for me all day. Great energy, lots of daft fun.


Yeah, not got the enrgy of Vindaloor or even Three Lions for that matter. But I'm with you - Vindaloo has all the oomph and silliness one could hope for in a nation anthem.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:50 - Apr 4 with 2840 viewsWeWereZombies



It's even about a priest so that should keep the God bothers happy.

Who'll be the lady, who will be the lord
When we are ruled by the love of one another
Who'll be the lady, who will be the lord
In the light that is coming in the morning

Sing, John Ball and tell it to them all
And long live the day that is dawning
I'll crow like a cock, I'll carol like a lark
In the light that is coming in the morning

Eve is the lady, Adam is the lord
When we are ruled by the love of one another
Eve is the lady, Adam is the lord
In the light that is coming in the morning

Sing, John Ball and tell it to them all
Long live the day that is dawning
I'll crow like a cock, I'll carol like a lark
In the light that is coming in the morning

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 14:00 - Apr 4 with 2795 viewsfactual_blue

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:09 - Apr 4 by Herbivore

It's a really awful national anthem. It's just a dirge. You're right that the content hardly touches on things that have universal support amongst UK subjects as well. We need something more unifying.


You need to be 'educated'.

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 14:14 - Apr 4 with 2772 viewsfactual_blue


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 15:13 - Apr 4 with 2736 viewsYou_Bloo_Right



or if you don't fancy the epitome of metropolitan elite then perhaps ..


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 15:28 - Apr 4 with 2723 viewsleitrimblue

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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 16:42 - Apr 4 with 2654 viewsPendejo

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:15 - Apr 4 by J2BLUE

More importantly we need an English anthem.

I believe we're the only home nation who use the UK anthem before football matches etc? We should have an English anthem.


England



Britain


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 17:00 - Apr 4 with 2625 viewsjaykay

if the truth be known, i doubt those who go on about the national anthem, dont know more than 2 lines of the song themselves
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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 17:07 - Apr 4 with 2622 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Not sure about the origins of the data from the Guardian article claiming that over 50% have no religious belief.

This government document suggests 25% identified as no religion and that 93% responded to the voluntary question from the census data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/ar

PS: Not suggesting there should be any compulsion for anyone to sing the national anthem and no objection to it being changed (I actually agree with a separation of the church from the state), however I am questioning the rigour of the data quoted.
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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 17:43 - Apr 4 with 2580 viewsWeWereZombies

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 16:42 - Apr 4 by Pendejo

England



Britain



Is it the appropriate time in the thread for this?


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:01 - Apr 4 with 2547 viewsbluelagos

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 13:38 - Apr 4 by jeera

Never saw the fuss over that song.

Vindaloo for me all day. Great energy, lots of daft fun.


Not really suitable as a national anthem, but surely the best England song ever :-)


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:32 - Apr 4 with 2510 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:01 - Apr 4 by bluelagos

Not really suitable as a national anthem, but surely the best England song ever :-)



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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:58 - Apr 4 with 2468 viewsGlasgowBlue

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:32 - Apr 4 by You_Bloo_Right

Nah. I give you ...



A nice little bit of late 80's Stock, Aitken & Waterman.


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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 19:19 - Apr 4 with 2448 viewsbluelagos

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 18:58 - Apr 4 by GlasgowBlue

A nice little bit of late 80's Stock, Aitken & Waterman.




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Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 09:47 - Apr 5 with 2342 viewsKropotkin123

Carrying on from the Flag Thread... on 17:07 - Apr 4 by Nthsuffolkblue

Not sure about the origins of the data from the Guardian article claiming that over 50% have no religious belief.

This government document suggests 25% identified as no religion and that 93% responded to the voluntary question from the census data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/ar

PS: Not suggesting there should be any compulsion for anyone to sing the national anthem and no objection to it being changed (I actually agree with a separation of the church from the state), however I am questioning the rigour of the data quoted.
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The sources are provided so they can be challenged and improved upon. I skim read yours and they appear to be from the 2011 census. So it will be great to get a more extensive look at this through the 2021 census. Not sure how long they take to compile. Hopefully quicker, now it is online.

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