| Brentford in the Premier League then 16:35 - May 29 with 4122 views | BryanPlug |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 16:38 - May 29 with 3923 views | patrickswell |
Another in the long list of teams who were either our equals or inferiors when Evans arrived but which are light years ahead of us now. |  | | |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 16:39 - May 29 with 3915 views | BryanPlug |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 16:38 - May 29 by patrickswell |
Another in the long list of teams who were either our equals or inferiors when Evans arrived but which are light years ahead of us now. |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 18:50 - May 29 with 3743 views | Churchman |
Either put resource in and get Cat 1 status or scrap it. I would prefer the former because if aiming for the PL is more than just American talk, we are going to need it. |  | | |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 19:17 - May 29 with 3696 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 16:38 - May 29 by patrickswell |
Another in the long list of teams who were either our equals or inferiors when Evans arrived but which are light years ahead of us now. |
tbf football is cyclical, clubs like Wednesday, Forest, Bolton, Derby, Blackburn have all regressed over the past 20 years |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 19:39 - May 29 with 3649 views | Guthrum |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 19:17 - May 29 by Hipsterectomy |
tbf football is cyclical, clubs like Wednesday, Forest, Bolton, Derby, Blackburn have all regressed over the past 20 years |
The last time Brentford were in the top tier, we were in the Third Division (South) then. |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 19:47 - May 29 with 3630 views | Guthrum |
If that is demonstrably the only reason they are doing better than us, then perhaps. Otherwise, not. | |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 21:01 - May 29 with 3538 views | Oldboy |
If it cannot provide us with a steady stream of talent, then would rather they got rid. |  | | |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 21:05 - May 29 with 3529 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Southampton have been in the Premier League for 10 years now.
Do you believe scrapping their academy was the key to Brentford getting to the promised land (or even contributed significantly to it at all)? |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 21:52 - May 29 with 3471 views | bournemouthblue |
It's probably easier to do when you're in and around London and can hoover up other club's talent? |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:22 - May 29 with 3405 views | BryanPlug |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 21:05 - May 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Southampton have been in the Premier League for 10 years now.
Do you believe scrapping their academy was the key to Brentford getting to the promised land (or even contributed significantly to it at all)? |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:23 - May 29 with 3402 views | Churchman |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 19:47 - May 29 by Guthrum |
If that is demonstrably the only reason they are doing better than us, then perhaps. Otherwise, not. |
It’s not the only reason. We fully deserve to be where we are. No club deserves it more. We should give thanks that we are not already in League 2 thanks to good starts while other teams got going. Until Evans was sidelined, that’s where we were heading.
How the youth teams produced any results is a miracle. I hope from the wreckage of a once good club, the people responsible for those teams are supported and enhanced and the youth set up is retained. Cat 1 should be sought properly. Not this 1% short nonsense. Evans was never serious about it otherwise it would have been achieved.
For the rest of the club, Brentford provide a model of how to do it going forward. [Post edited 30 May 2021 7:13]
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:33 - May 29 with 3374 views | Guthrum |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:22 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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They haven't actually ditched their academy, tho. They have merely turned it into a finishing school for older Youths bred up by other clubs. Would be interesting to know how much it has actually saved, given the "reserve" setup will not be cost-free.
For that matter, having an academy does not prevent us doing the same thing. It's pretty much what happened with Connor Wickham and, to an extent, Tyrone Mings. However, unlike Brentford, we have the issue of attracting prospects out into the Suffolk countryside, rather than being just a Tube ride away in London. | |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:34 - May 29 with 3368 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:22 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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Interesting read.
However, my point about Southampton still stands. There is more than one way to go about these things.
The Peterborough/Norwich (and possibly by the looks of this article, Brentford too) model is not the only way.
I would suggest that investing in the academy with a little more ruthlessness on who is kept on and focus on bringing in, developing and showcasing the right talent like those clubs in the above paragraph have done is the way ahead. A combination of Southampton and these as a model. | |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:35 - May 29 with 3368 views | BryanPlug |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:33 - May 29 by Guthrum |
They haven't actually ditched their academy, tho. They have merely turned it into a finishing school for older Youths bred up by other clubs. Would be interesting to know how much it has actually saved, given the "reserve" setup will not be cost-free.
For that matter, having an academy does not prevent us doing the same thing. It's pretty much what happened with Connor Wickham and, to an extent, Tyrone Mings. However, unlike Brentford, we have the issue of attracting prospects out into the Suffolk countryside, rather than being just a Tube ride away in London. |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:42 - May 29 with 3350 views | Guthrum |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:35 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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No they haven't, really. Brentford are just taking kids in their teens rather than at the age of eight or ten. Saves having to do the educational stuff, yes, but there still needs to be a structure for their training, development and welfare.
What proportion of Brentford's "Reserve" setup go on to be a success? | |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:43 - May 29 with 3345 views | judespiveyg |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:35 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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Surely just trying to improve it is the better option though rather than just throwing it away? |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:52 - May 29 with 3319 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:35 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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"Our academy is producing second rate players at best".
The issue is more where is this going wrong? I would suggest it is more at the stage of them stepping up into the first team.
There are players who have been taken/attracted interest from top clubs. In some cases we have prevented their moves (and that probably has not been a good thing for them or for us as a club). It is difficult to assess how good some of these players are when they are part of a mismanaged 50+ man squad mid-table in League 1. | |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 08:58 - May 30 with 3085 views | strikalite |
Superb recruitment, their net is vastly spread as in the article linked in this thread..
They have sold £140m worth of talent over the last six years....that tells you something.. |  | | |
| (well we have sort of scrapped the academy!) But Brentford success isn’t about on 09:23 - May 30 with 3052 views | unstableblue |
…. Not having an academy. That was just a very clear strategy and plan, very good leadership structure and senior mgmt talent.
Yes one of the outcomes that suited Brentford in their strategy was removing the academy and using good statistics and recruitment to find players across Europe. But that suited their plan, may have not suited ours - if we ever had one under Marcus.
I’ve always said that Brentford were always so well run off the pitch, that managers could we swapped in and out with very little damage to progress.
Another excellent aspect to Brentford is real fan input and connection within the board.
Well done to them, very well deserved.
The big question for us is whether Mark Ashton is the man to be our catalyst for positive change??? Bristol City fans would say no…. But only time will tell. |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 09:38 - May 30 with 3018 views | itfcjoe |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 22:35 - May 29 by BryanPlug |
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They aren’t second rate at best though, as will be shown by where they end up if they leave this summer.
Bringing through top players is next to impossible as a L2 club - but fact we’ve got likes of Flores, Knight through our academy shows we are doing something right as well
But with no overarching structure we’ve wasted youth players, look at someone like Nydam who got shipped out to bring in Edun |  |
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| (well we have sort of scrapped the academy!) But Brentford success isn’t about on 14:01 - May 31 with 2653 views | Churchman |
| (well we have sort of scrapped the academy!) But Brentford success isn’t about on 09:23 - May 30 by unstableblue |
…. Not having an academy. That was just a very clear strategy and plan, very good leadership structure and senior mgmt talent.
Yes one of the outcomes that suited Brentford in their strategy was removing the academy and using good statistics and recruitment to find players across Europe. But that suited their plan, may have not suited ours - if we ever had one under Marcus.
I’ve always said that Brentford were always so well run off the pitch, that managers could we swapped in and out with very little damage to progress.
Another excellent aspect to Brentford is real fan input and connection within the board.
Well done to them, very well deserved.
The big question for us is whether Mark Ashton is the man to be our catalyst for positive change??? Bristol City fans would say no…. But only time will tell. |
Marcus’ plan??? After the quick flip for minimum outlay plan went down the pan with Keane, if there was a plan it had nothing to do with the well being and development of the football club.
If it had of been, we wouldn’t be mid table mainstays of the the old third division.
Hopefully that’s now at an end | | | |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 14:02 - May 31 with 2650 views | Kieran_Knows |
The academy is the only functional part of the club, according to the new owners/Ashton/Rolls so I can’t see it being scrapped any time soon. |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 15:45 - May 31 with 2500 views | BryanPlug |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 09:38 - May 30 by itfcjoe |
They aren’t second rate at best though, as will be shown by where they end up if they leave this summer.
Bringing through top players is next to impossible as a L2 club - but fact we’ve got likes of Flores, Knight through our academy shows we are doing something right as well
But with no overarching structure we’ve wasted youth players, look at someone like Nydam who got shipped out to bring in Edun |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 15:53 - May 31 with 2468 views | NthQldITFC |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 21:01 - May 29 by Oldboy |
If it cannot provide us with a steady stream of talent, then would rather they got rid. |
Does the Academy not have any intrinsic merit, or does the occasional success not make it a worthy enterprise? Does it have to be an out and out player (or money) factory? Is football just a business? Rhetorical questions, nothing personal against you view, but it makes me sad. |  |
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| Brentford in the Premier League then on 16:47 - May 31 with 2393 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brentford in the Premier League then on 15:53 - May 31 by NthQldITFC |
Does the Academy not have any intrinsic merit, or does the occasional success not make it a worthy enterprise? Does it have to be an out and out player (or money) factory? Is football just a business? Rhetorical questions, nothing personal against you view, but it makes me sad. |
Yes. The Academy's whole purpose is to provide players for the first team and/or to sell. |  |
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