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Any number of the players we're trying to bomb out could just say well actually I've got a contract here, I'm settled in Ipswich personally, and I'd quite like to wait and see if there's going to be a change in manager by October which could see me back in the frame.
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 09:45 - Jun 24 with 2405 views
But if they are playing the 'grease me or I'll seize up' game then a new manager coming in may not have a great impression of them too. I think the safer option is for them to prove Cook wrong by playing to the full extent of their powers and winning a place in the first eleven rather than pinning their hopes on the contingency of a change of manager (which in the way football operates will happen at some time but for it to happen as early as October could then tip Town into further decline.)
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 09:45 - Jun 24 by WeWereZombies
But if they are playing the 'grease me or I'll seize up' game then a new manager coming in may not have a great impression of them too. I think the safer option is for them to prove Cook wrong by playing to the full extent of their powers and winning a place in the first eleven rather than pinning their hopes on the contingency of a change of manager (which in the way football operates will happen at some time but for it to happen as early as October could then tip Town into further decline.)
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head down, try to prove to the manager you are worthy of a place in first team squad. if your best then isn't deemed good enough have an adult conversation with manager about a loan elsewhere. or is that too hard?
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 09:49 - Jun 24 by textbackup
head down, try to prove to the manager you are worthy of a place in first team squad. if your best then isn't deemed good enough have an adult conversation with manager about a loan elsewhere. or is that too hard?
It's too hard for a lot of our supporters to figure out, who seem so wedded to our players, even the massively underperforming ones, that there is tangible 'hurt' for the way they've been bombed out by Cook.
Rather than anger at the fact it's becoming clear that a good number were just going through the motions here.
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 09:53 - Jun 24 by Cheltenham_Blue
It's too hard for a lot of our supporters to figure out, who seem so wedded to our players, even the massively underperforming ones, that there is tangible 'hurt' for the way they've been bombed out by Cook.
Rather than anger at the fact it's becoming clear that a good number were just going through the motions here.
they needed tough love IMO, being told they were really really really really really good weekly by Lambert, when infact they were fcking hopless had them believing they were decent players.
if they aren't up for the challenge cook sets them, then stay in the 23's and waste career
Is this not why Cook has put so many in 23s? So that any toxicity is kept away from his first team
Whilst trying to overturn the squad he can’t be concerned about disgruntled players in 23s - it has to be out of sight and out of mind and to hope that those players being bombed out are able to get on with it and not disrupt Dyer and Butcher too much
I don’t think he will be particularly that concerned with that.
He wants to build his small group of players, his small first team squad to work with, barring a few exceptions due to loans and injuries, everybody has had their chance to play and work under him.
He makes the decisions, if he wants some away from his core group players then that is fine with me.
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:09 - Jun 24 by itfcjoe
Is this not why Cook has put so many in 23s? So that any toxicity is kept away from his first team
Whilst trying to overturn the squad he can’t be concerned about disgruntled players in 23s - it has to be out of sight and out of mind and to hope that those players being bombed out are able to get on with it and not disrupt Dyer and Butcher too much
Baffled by how many seem to be bending over backwards to conclude there is some kind of masterful motivational approach, seemingly based on what I’m guessing is a pretty standard line on the bottom of the leaked notice
Alternatively we have a manager that has referred to himself as demolition man and frequently made clear there will be wholesale changes. Respected journalists and well connected posters who have confirmed a number of players have been told they can leave. And Brett Johnson who has also publicly made clear that a very small number of the squad are being retained. Rather more likely that those players are there as they are surplus to requirements, isn’t it?
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I have no idea what Kayden Jackson is like as a person, but it’s the second time he’s now been banished to our reserves, under two different managers. As some pointed out at the time, he was caught sarcastically smirking behind the manager’s back one game. It would be strange if he is problematic/has a big ego as he’s done nothing as a player
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:27 - Jun 24 with 1966 views
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:25 - Jun 24 by Hipsterectomy
I have no idea what Kayden Jackson is like as a person, but it’s the second time he’s now been banished to our reserves, under two different managers. As some pointed out at the time, he was caught sarcastically smirking behind the manager’s back one game. It would be strange if he is problematic/has a big ego as he’s done nothing as a player
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:20 - Jun 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
Baffled by how many seem to be bending over backwards to conclude there is some kind of masterful motivational approach, seemingly based on what I’m guessing is a pretty standard line on the bottom of the leaked notice
Alternatively we have a manager that has referred to himself as demolition man and frequently made clear there will be wholesale changes. Respected journalists and well connected posters who have confirmed a number of players have been told they can leave. And Brett Johnson who has also publicly made clear that a very small number of the squad are being retained. Rather more likely that those players are there as they are surplus to requirements, isn’t it?
It is also a clear indication to those we're targeting they will be the ones who will form the new squad and will be guaranteed playing time, no matter what anyone thinks of Downes/Dobra etc ability/hype.
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:29 - Jun 24 with 1939 views
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:27 - Jun 24 by Mookamoo
It is also a clear indication to those we're targeting they will be the ones who will form the new squad and will be guaranteed playing time, no matter what anyone thinks of Downes/Dobra etc ability/hype.
It’s really not, as they won’t have any knowledge of it unless they read TWTD and wouldn’t even have that had it not been leaked
Cook will be telling them that anyway
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:20 - Jun 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
Baffled by how many seem to be bending over backwards to conclude there is some kind of masterful motivational approach, seemingly based on what I’m guessing is a pretty standard line on the bottom of the leaked notice
Alternatively we have a manager that has referred to himself as demolition man and frequently made clear there will be wholesale changes. Respected journalists and well connected posters who have confirmed a number of players have been told they can leave. And Brett Johnson who has also publicly made clear that a very small number of the squad are being retained. Rather more likely that those players are there as they are surplus to requirements, isn’t it?
In which case, why not just pay them off and be done with it? Only one or two (Downes, Bishop) are likely to be worth any kind of reasonable fee*. There might be another club lining up for Kenlock, too.
Apart from that, everyone on the U23 list (including Dobra and Lankester) could genuinely be placed in that category. Even those two have not made so many appearances for the First Team that they could really be classed as established members thereof.
I don't really get the problem here. They have been told that they are not in the manager's plans and should find themselves a new club. Professional footballers would understand that, it's fairly standard for football clubs. Why should the club still include these players in training with the first team when the majority of them will not be playing in the first team?
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:37 - Jun 24 with 1850 views
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:31 - Jun 24 by Guthrum
In which case, why not just pay them off and be done with it? Only one or two (Downes, Bishop) are likely to be worth any kind of reasonable fee*. There might be another club lining up for Kenlock, too.
Apart from that, everyone on the U23 list (including Dobra and Lankester) could genuinely be placed in that category. Even those two have not made so many appearances for the First Team that they could really be classed as established members thereof.
* Edit: Jackson, too. Forgot about him.
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Because we’d have to pay up their contracts, which wouldn’t necessarily be the case if there is a taker even on a free, or a nominal amount to help settle the difference in wages (I’m guessing that’s what happened with Hawkins)
That said I suspect that players like Jackson and Dobra could probably command a small fee given there’s been a fair bit of reported interest over the past year - probably more so than Bishop in fact
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:31 - Jun 24 by Guthrum
In which case, why not just pay them off and be done with it? Only one or two (Downes, Bishop) are likely to be worth any kind of reasonable fee*. There might be another club lining up for Kenlock, too.
Apart from that, everyone on the U23 list (including Dobra and Lankester) could genuinely be placed in that category. Even those two have not made so many appearances for the First Team that they could really be classed as established members thereof.
* Edit: Jackson, too. Forgot about him.
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Once players fully graduate from the 23s to the first team they very, very rarely go back, if ever - unless there is a big issue.
To state that it can easily be argued that Lankester and Dobra can be justified in being there misses that point, if we had 22-24 players in the first team then would be easier to argue - but that simply isn’t the case. They are first teamers, that they are down there is as noteworthy as Downes, Jackson etc being there
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:37 - Jun 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure
Because we’d have to pay up their contracts, which wouldn’t necessarily be the case if there is a taker even on a free, or a nominal amount to help settle the difference in wages (I’m guessing that’s what happened with Hawkins)
That said I suspect that players like Jackson and Dobra could probably command a small fee given there’s been a fair bit of reported interest over the past year - probably more so than Bishop in fact
Tho the likes of Kenlock, Dobra and Lankester are not going to be on massive wages, with only a year - or, in Dobra's case, two - left on their contracts, so it wouldn't cost that much. Seems odd to be haggling over £50k or so after all the players we've released who might have also been sold.
I think you're right that Dobra could be worth a better fee than most, but there also seems to be some noises (and comments from Phil) that he's more likely to be staying, too.
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:00 - Jun 24 by footers
Haven't you been in hiding from the police ever since?
We’re still holed up on Rushmere Heath. The police seem to have called off their search, but Lee O’Neill is still out here most nights with his dog and a torch.
Poor bloke just can’t let it go.
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:50 - Jun 24 with 1765 views
I don't really get this. If players are leaving or just not interested in being here, then they have no right to be anywhere near the first team squad, surely?
Common sense to me.....
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:54 - Jun 24 with 1698 views
Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:50 - Jun 24 by Blue_Order
We’re still holed up on Rushmere Heath. The police seem to have called off their search, but Lee O’Neill is still out here most nights with his dog and a torch.
Poor bloke just can’t let it go.
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Isn't the atmosphere at Playford Road going to be toxic? on 10:00 - Jun 24 by bobbyramsey
Sensible players wouldn't behave like that..............
Which is probably why they're training with the U23's in the first place.
If there are only 11 first-teamers remaining, isn't it just a matter of pragmatism to have them training with the U23s - otherwise what training games are they going to do - 5-a side?
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