| Mark Warburton 23:31 - Nov 29 with 3487 views | unstableblue |
Think a lot of us rate him.
But a lesson for us perhaps is his QPR managerial tenure.
It’s taken him a number of seasons to get to third in the championship, 13th, 9th finishes
Serious poor form and challenges on the way, even as recently as the start of 2021, when it was being suggested Tim Sherwood would replace.
But Warburton turned that form around by switching formations from 4-2-3-1… to 5-3-2
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| Mark Warburton on 23:48 - Nov 29 with 2863 views | jayessess |
13th is not a bad league finish for QPR. |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 23:53 - Nov 29 with 2845 views | loftboy |
| Mark Warburton on 23:48 - Nov 29 by jayessess |
13th is not a bad league finish for QPR. |
We have also yet to lose when Andre Dozzell has started a game. After a shaky start he’s developing into a very good player. |  | | |
| Mark Warburton on 23:58 - Nov 29 with 2812 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Sounds like Warburton has exceeded expectations from the off... |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 00:32 - Nov 30 with 2726 views | timothyeo |
This is nonsense.
Not least because any QPR fan will tell you he generally done well and certainly met initial expectations, much unlike Cook.
On top of that, in the league above hes starting a young player of ours who Cook couldn't wait to get rid of. | | | |
| Mark Warburton on 00:40 - Nov 30 with 2703 views | jayessess |
| Mark Warburton on 23:53 - Nov 29 by loftboy |
We have also yet to lose when Andre Dozzell has started a game. After a shaky start he’s developing into a very good player. |
I thought he was very good here too, but he became a bit of a scapegoat. | |
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| Mark Warburton on 00:51 - Nov 30 with 2687 views | timothyeo |
| Mark Warburton on 00:32 - Nov 30 by timothyeo |
This is nonsense.
Not least because any QPR fan will tell you he generally done well and certainly met initial expectations, much unlike Cook.
On top of that, in the league above hes starting a young player of ours who Cook couldn't wait to get rid of. |
For further clarity, as evidence is always important, QPR finished 19th just before Warburton took charge, with criticism of horrid football to go with that 19th finish.
Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football, winning 3 games in a row in August. They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season, whilst helping develop some young players such as Eze.
What he didn't do, is immediately come in and perform worse than his predecessor. He also didn't ride on the excuse invented by our fans that because he'd only just come in you couldn't expect improvement. He delivered instant improvements as was his job. As was and by some hideous miracle currently is Cooks. | | | |
| Mark Warburton on 01:06 - Nov 30 with 2654 views | bournemouthblue |
| Mark Warburton on 23:53 - Nov 29 by loftboy |
We have also yet to lose when Andre Dozzell has started a game. After a shaky start he’s developing into a very good player. |
The talent was always there, it was whether he could add another athleticism or grit to his game that was the real question mark |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 02:44 - Nov 30 with 2595 views | hoppy |
| Mark Warburton on 00:40 - Nov 30 by jayessess |
I thought he was very good here too, but he became a bit of a scapegoat. |
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| Mark Warburton on 08:09 - Nov 30 with 2199 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Mark Warburton on 00:51 - Nov 30 by timothyeo |
For further clarity, as evidence is always important, QPR finished 19th just before Warburton took charge, with criticism of horrid football to go with that 19th finish.
Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football, winning 3 games in a row in August. They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season, whilst helping develop some young players such as Eze.
What he didn't do, is immediately come in and perform worse than his predecessor. He also didn't ride on the excuse invented by our fans that because he'd only just come in you couldn't expect improvement. He delivered instant improvements as was his job. As was and by some hideous miracle currently is Cooks. |
You’re angry, aren’t you. |  | | |
| Mark Warburton on 08:17 - Nov 30 with 2171 views | Herbivore |
I sometimes think our fans genuinely believe that every club starts the season with identical expectations and evenly matched squads. Warburton hasn't had a huge budget to work with, quite the opposite. A slow build over a few years is the only way a club like QPR (and us if we ever go back up) can realistically have a tilt at promotion, they can't buy in loads of ready-made quality like some others. We're in League 1 having spent a fortune for this level and being the best or second best resourced club in the league. Us being midtable in that context is not remotely comparable to QPR having been midtable in Warburton's first couple of years in the Championship. |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 08:18 - Nov 30 with 2154 views | homer_123 |
| Mark Warburton on 08:09 - Nov 30 by OsborneOneNil |
You’re angry, aren’t you. |
Possibly but he's not wrong. |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 08:21 - Nov 30 with 2134 views | pennblue |
| Mark Warburton on 00:51 - Nov 30 by timothyeo |
For further clarity, as evidence is always important, QPR finished 19th just before Warburton took charge, with criticism of horrid football to go with that 19th finish.
Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football, winning 3 games in a row in August. They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season, whilst helping develop some young players such as Eze.
What he didn't do, is immediately come in and perform worse than his predecessor. He also didn't ride on the excuse invented by our fans that because he'd only just come in you couldn't expect improvement. He delivered instant improvements as was his job. As was and by some hideous miracle currently is Cooks. |
> Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football
I don't think you can throw that one at Cook, we are playing football, no doubt about it. We were fannying around with in defence last season, with no idea what to do when we got past the half way line.
> They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season
It's not really that hard to do that is it, from a starting position of 19th!!! I mean it would have been much much harder to finish lower than 19th! | |
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| Mark Warburton on 08:31 - Nov 30 with 2102 views | homer_123 |
| Mark Warburton on 08:21 - Nov 30 by pennblue |
> Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football
I don't think you can throw that one at Cook, we are playing football, no doubt about it. We were fannying around with in defence last season, with no idea what to do when we got past the half way line.
> They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season
It's not really that hard to do that is it, from a starting position of 19th!!! I mean it would have been much much harder to finish lower than 19th! |
"...we are playing football, no doubt about it."
There are times when we play well, we can play some decent football, one, two's or see some individual skill. However, this is offset by the fact it is rarely sustained, we struggle to dominate, off the ball we are very questionable.
So, yes, it can be argued that Cook has, at times, got us to play well and some decent football but he has failed to address the underlying issues we see week in and week out since he joined. Crewe looked more of a 'team' than we did on Sunday. We still switch off during games, substitutions make us worse not better etc.
Finally, I'm still not exactly sure how Cook wants us to play - apart from the formation. I can't really describe 'how' we play football, what our approach and identity is.
Oh and by the way, we still fanny about with the ball at the back. Take a lesson from Crewe who also worked the ball from the back - and in the second half, moved the ball with pace and urgency with good off the ball work to continually slice through our midfield. Compare that to us still, many times, working the ball back and forth across our back line. [Post edited 30 Nov 2021 8:32]
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| Mark Warburton on 08:36 - Nov 30 with 2064 views | jayessess |
| Mark Warburton on 08:21 - Nov 30 by pennblue |
> Warburton came in and instantly got them playing better football
I don't think you can throw that one at Cook, we are playing football, no doubt about it. We were fannying around with in defence last season, with no idea what to do when we got past the half way line.
> They ended up placing 6 positions higher in the table in his first season
It's not really that hard to do that is it, from a starting position of 19th!!! I mean it would have been much much harder to finish lower than 19th! |
I don't see how any comparison here doesn't make Cook look worse.
QPR get gates of 14-16k, don't benefit from huge outside investment, play in a league where the majority of clubs are bigger than them and have to compete with a bunch of clubs whose budgets are doubled or tripled by parachute payments.
We, on the other hand, get gates of 18-23k, benefit from outside investment no-one else in the division has and play in a league where the majority of clubs are not just smaller than us, but much much smaller.
If moving QPR 6 places up the Championship table is no significant achievement, then fck knows how we're supposed to classify Cook's tenure.
Rather demonstrates what conclusion you'd reach if you applied a more objective eye though, doesn't it? If Cook had the same resources at Sheffield Wednesday, we'd be laughing at them and wondering why on Earth their manager was still in post! | |
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| Mark Warburton on 08:37 - Nov 30 with 2063 views | DavoIPB |
| Mark Warburton on 00:40 - Nov 30 by jayessess |
I thought he was very good here too, but he became a bit of a scapegoat. |
He gave the ball away continuously and never really created anything. I'm sure he will develop into a really good footballer but her wasn't when he was at Ipswich. | | | |
| Mark Warburton on 08:54 - Nov 30 with 1993 views | jayessess |
| Mark Warburton on 08:37 - Nov 30 by DavoIPB |
He gave the ball away continuously and never really created anything. I'm sure he will develop into a really good footballer but her wasn't when he was at Ipswich. |
Statistically, his chance creation last season would put him 3rd in our current squad, behind only Celina and Fraser. That's despite playing as a deep-lying midfielder behind the worst forward line in our history.
People disliked him because of his name is all. | |
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| Mark Warburton on 09:00 - Nov 30 with 1948 views | Fixed_It |
| Mark Warburton on 08:54 - Nov 30 by jayessess |
Statistically, his chance creation last season would put him 3rd in our current squad, behind only Celina and Fraser. That's despite playing as a deep-lying midfielder behind the worst forward line in our history.
People disliked him because of his name is all. |
People disliked him because of his name?! I think the opposite is true - he was given much leeway because of it - until it became apparent that he wasn't what we needed.
And anyway, what is wrong with the name Andre? |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 09:08 - Nov 30 with 1928 views | itfcjoe |
Surely the lesson is if a manager is over performing in the Championship then don't hound him out? |  |
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| Mark Warburton on 09:48 - Nov 30 with 1765 views | unstableblue |
| Mark Warburton on 09:08 - Nov 30 by itfcjoe |
Surely the lesson is if a manager is over performing in the Championship then don't hound him out? |
Please tell me you're joking? [Post edited 30 Nov 2021 11:28]
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| Mark Warburton on 09:49 - Nov 30 with 1748 views | unstableblue |
| Mark Warburton on 00:32 - Nov 30 by timothyeo |
This is nonsense.
Not least because any QPR fan will tell you he generally done well and certainly met initial expectations, much unlike Cook.
On top of that, in the league above hes starting a young player of ours who Cook couldn't wait to get rid of. |
You don't think Cook should change system/formation to improve fortunes? | |
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| Mark Warburton on 10:11 - Nov 30 with 1664 views | jayessess |
| Mark Warburton on 09:00 - Nov 30 by Fixed_It |
People disliked him because of his name?! I think the opposite is true - he was given much leeway because of it - until it became apparent that he wasn't what we needed.
And anyway, what is wrong with the name Andre? |
After 20 or so games in the first team, people got on his back with stuff like "people only rate him because of his name/he only plays because of his name". As a result he was never allowed to just be a 21-year-old in his first full season, developing his game in a tough position, in a bad team.
Personally, I think he'd make a much better partner for Morsy than any other midfielder currently at the club. He's better off and on the ball than Lee Evans is and with a proper partner would've shined. Not to be, sadly. | |
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| Mark Warburton on 10:29 - Nov 30 with 1570 views | Herbivore |
| Mark Warburton on 09:49 - Nov 30 by unstableblue |
You don't think Cook should change system/formation to improve fortunes? |
What makes you think a change of formation is you going to be the magic bullet that suddenly makes us better? If Cook can't get us performing playing his preferred formation with a squad built to play in that formation then why do you think we'd be better playing a system he's not familiar with that the players weren't signed to play in? | |
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| Mark Warburton on 10:49 - Nov 30 with 1509 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Mark Warburton on 10:29 - Nov 30 by Herbivore |
What makes you think a change of formation is you going to be the magic bullet that suddenly makes us better? If Cook can't get us performing playing his preferred formation with a squad built to play in that formation then why do you think we'd be better playing a system he's not familiar with that the players weren't signed to play in? |
Possibly because the squad suits a different system? |  | | |
| Mark Warburton on 10:56 - Nov 30 with 1466 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Mark Warburton on 10:49 - Nov 30 by Eireannach_gorm |
Possibly because the squad suits a different system? |
But Cook built/recruited the current squad, selects the starting 11 and subs for each match, determines what happens in training and also chooses the formation.
What the failings currently are it's very hard to attribute responsibility to anyone other than Cook surely? | | | |
| Mark Warburton on 11:00 - Nov 30 with 1443 views | Herbivore |
| Mark Warburton on 10:49 - Nov 30 by Eireannach_gorm |
Possibly because the squad suits a different system? |
If that's your opinion, I disagree. This is Cook's squad signed to play his system, I don't see which system better suits the players we have. | |
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