| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip 10:16 - Jul 19 with 1704 views | GlasgowBlue |
Although he did have a reasonable excuse not to be there for the vote.
He can no longer vote in the leadership election and as a Mordaunt supporter it could be the difference between her going through as it could come down to one or two votes. |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:21 - Jul 19 with 1645 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
The longest standing critic of Johnson in the Parliamentary party. |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:22 - Jul 19 with 1644 views | MattinLondon |
Forgive my ignorance but is there anything stopping the government from withdrawing the whip from MPs who won’t support the PMs preferred successor and sort of fixing the final two? |  | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:24 - Jul 19 with 1622 views | Dubtractor |
Our government is an utter clown show isn't it? |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:26 - Jul 19 with 1612 views | Steve_M |
Doing his job versus political theatre? No wonder he lost the whip. |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:28 - Jul 19 with 1597 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:22 - Jul 19 by MattinLondon |
Forgive my ignorance but is there anything stopping the government from withdrawing the whip from MPs who won’t support the PMs preferred successor and sort of fixing the final two? |
It could be done but even that would be too far for these gangsters. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 10:29 - Jul 19 with 1590 views | BlueForYou |
Very decent guy. Was my MP when I lived in Bournemouth for a while. |  | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:09 - Jul 19 with 1486 views | itfcjoe |
Until a Tory leader gets a grip over Steve Baker and the ERG they are bang in trouble - going to be a huge civil war when they lose the next election |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:43 - Jul 19 with 1413 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:09 - Jul 19 by itfcjoe |
Until a Tory leader gets a grip over Steve Baker and the ERG they are bang in trouble - going to be a huge civil war when they lose the next election |
They have to lose the next election. They have to have a civil war. This has to be sorted if the Tory party has any future. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:53 - Jul 19 with 1355 views | Cotty |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:43 - Jul 19 by GlasgowBlue |
They have to lose the next election. They have to have a civil war. This has to be sorted if the Tory party has any future. |
Let's hope it isn't then. |  | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:54 - Jul 19 with 1356 views | bluelagos |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:43 - Jul 19 by GlasgowBlue |
They have to lose the next election. They have to have a civil war. This has to be sorted if the Tory party has any future. |
Surely the One Nation tories are now just a rump (of 40 or so?) and the ERG wing has already won? Sunak is now seen as the least worst option for One Nationers.
From the outside, looks to me like the civil war was lost when Johnson kicked out so many over Brexit prior to the last election. |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:00 - Jul 19 with 1301 views | J2BLUE |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:54 - Jul 19 by bluelagos |
Surely the One Nation tories are now just a rump (of 40 or so?) and the ERG wing has already won? Sunak is now seen as the least worst option for One Nationers.
From the outside, looks to me like the civil war was lost when Johnson kicked out so many over Brexit prior to the last election. |
I keep thinking anyone but Sunak. Then I remember who the other three candidates are... |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:02 - Jul 19 with 1293 views | itfcjoe |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:54 - Jul 19 by bluelagos |
Surely the One Nation tories are now just a rump (of 40 or so?) and the ERG wing has already won? Sunak is now seen as the least worst option for One Nationers.
From the outside, looks to me like the civil war was lost when Johnson kicked out so many over Brexit prior to the last election. |
It was lost before then when they were able to get the Referendum on manifesto, then just not concede an inch throughout whole negotiation process | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:03 - Jul 19 with 1279 views | bluelagos |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:00 - Jul 19 by J2BLUE |
I keep thinking anyone but Sunak. Then I remember who the other three candidates are... |
Pretty much with you. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:03 - Jul 19 with 1279 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:54 - Jul 19 by bluelagos |
Surely the One Nation tories are now just a rump (of 40 or so?) and the ERG wing has already won? Sunak is now seen as the least worst option for One Nationers.
From the outside, looks to me like the civil war was lost when Johnson kicked out so many over Brexit prior to the last election. |
I agree.
The 2019 intake of Tory Mps are essentially Ukip/Brexit party, culture war politicians. There is no place in the party for people like Ellwood, Stewart, Grieve etc etc.
The fact that Badenoch has made it this far should tell you everything you need to know about where the Tory party is at. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:06 - Jul 19 with 1267 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:53 - Jul 19 by Cotty |
Let's hope it isn't then. |
A one party country without a functioning opposition, no matter how much you disagree with it, is not good for democracy. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:09 - Jul 19 with 1169 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:06 - Jul 19 by GlasgowBlue |
A one party country without a functioning opposition, no matter how much you disagree with it, is not good for democracy. |
The most recent polling gives a thumping Labour majority and Conservative gutting. But that projection doesn't really take into account how tactical voting might impact the next General Election, if there is one*.
If there is genuine widespread tactical voting then we may end up with Lib Dems as the Opposition, and debate would focus on Parliamentary and Electoral Reform, and making significant progress on Greening the Economy.
The first of those, after the past 15 years, would be a very good thing indeed. We need to reverse Johnson's E abling Act and re-establish the proper checks and balances on something more sid than the "decent chap" theory.
The second is possibly too late, but better that than facile "not at the expense of the economy" Government by soundbite from the likes of Mordaunt
* we should take nothing for granted in politics any more. |  | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:17 - Jul 19 with 1127 views | HARRY10 |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 11:54 - Jul 19 by bluelagos |
Surely the One Nation tories are now just a rump (of 40 or so?) and the ERG wing has already won? Sunak is now seen as the least worst option for One Nationers.
From the outside, looks to me like the civil war was lost when Johnson kicked out so many over Brexit prior to the last election. |
No, this current mob have no real support beyond their noisy fanatics. Recent by elections have shown how deeply unpopular the bloater is among grass roots Tories.
Now is not the rime to strike. Let the weasels, stoats and other assorted vermin have chargee of Toad Hall for now as the sht hits the fan ....inflation, oil/gas prices, shortage of workers.....
Then in some 'Night of the Long Knives' they will be removed. Not over night, but when the Tories lose the next election, probable sooner than 2024, things will come to a head, with that faction claiming the Tory Party was not far right enough. Whereas others will know that it has lost the centre ground, and needs to dump the swivel eyed.
The one fatal flaw with this latter day BUF is the number of incompetents and incredibly stupid it has among its ranks.... Dorries, Fabricant, Francois, Rees-Mogg, Truss - who will consistently fck things up and continue to spout absolute shyte.
The question is though, will the likes of Elwood and Steward stay to fight, or jump ship to the Libdems ? | | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:20 - Jul 19 with 1089 views | hype313 |
None of them can win a GE so we will just have to try and ride out the next 18 months as best as we can.
Unfortunately. |  |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:42 - Jul 19 with 1005 views | jaykay |
talking of losing the whip , what has happened to pincher ? has he resigned like parish did |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:48 - Jul 19 with 968 views | bluelagos |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:42 - Jul 19 by jaykay |
talking of losing the whip , what has happened to pincher ? has he resigned like parish did |
Lost the whip, still an MP.
There is also the alleged rapist MP who is currently still holding the whip, but is not attending parliament. He gets a vote today, unlike TE. | |
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| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 13:50 - Jul 19 with 955 views | Cotty |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:06 - Jul 19 by GlasgowBlue |
A one party country without a functioning opposition, no matter how much you disagree with it, is not good for democracy. |
There are plenty of other parties. And besides, this is UKIP, not the Tories, as far as I'm concerned. | | | |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 16:23 - Jul 19 with 813 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Another one nation tory stripped of the whip on 12:06 - Jul 19 by GlasgowBlue |
A one party country without a functioning opposition, no matter how much you disagree with it, is not good for democracy. |
True enough, although I'm not optimistic for the future of democracy in the UK. Even as people seem to be coming more tribal, there's a massive disconnect between people and the parliament (I don't know the %ages off the top of my head, but the number of people whose votes count is pretty small). Even when your vote counts, your MP has to toe the party line and that line needn't be in the UK's interest. Elections and parties are wide open to influence, be it through the press or more malign influence through back handers and dodgy donors. Sitting governments are free to stack the cards through boundary changes or favourable selective controls (e.g. voter ID). The Electoral Commission's independence is being watered down.
I don't know what the answers are. PR maybe? More consensus politics may help, but could also slow down legislation. Tighter controls on political funding? A written constitution? These seem to be the solutions commonly mentioned, but I'd be surprised if they'd be enough on their own. |  |
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