| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:14 - Aug 25 with 4084 views | itfcsuth |
It's incredibly flattering. All the metrics show how well coached we are.
Don't want too many people seeing this though, only encourages the vultures to come swirling for KMc. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 14:20]
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:17 - Aug 25 with 4049 views | BlueBadger |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:14 - Aug 25 by itfcsuth |
It's incredibly flattering. All the metrics show how well coached we are.
Don't want too many people seeing this though, only encourages the vultures to come swirling for KMc. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 14:20]
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I say this with the greatest of fondness and concern, but I think Phil should delete the thread.
Think what might happen If Unstableblue reads that article - there's a good chance he'll w@nk himself to death. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 11:19]
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:47 - Aug 25 with 3842 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:17 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
I say this with the greatest of fondness and concern, but I think Phil should delete the thread.
Think what might happen If Unstableblue reads that article - there's a good chance he'll w@nk himself to death. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 11:19]
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I doubt it, despite giving a detailed analysis of our style of play it doesn’t once mention the meaningless T word
Funny that |  |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:49 - Aug 25 with 3827 views | Big_Jase |
What’s more interesting is the all the Nigerian and Indian based Manchester United fans who have been tweeting in response to this article that he has found his level as a coach. |  |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:50 - Aug 25 with 3807 views | BlueBadger |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:47 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I doubt it, despite giving a detailed analysis of our style of play it doesn’t once mention the meaningless T word
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Bless him, I think he just thinks that it means 'how football is played by anyone other than Mick'. | |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 12:11 - Aug 25 with 3626 views | Pinewoodblue |
Excellent analysis.
Hope they don’t follow up with an in-depth analysis of our weakest area of play……corners. That wouldn’t make for comfortable reading. |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 12:12 - Aug 25 with 3626 views | unstableblue |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:50 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
Bless him, I think he just thinks that it means 'how football is played by anyone other than Mick'. |
Oh dear boys.. perhaps the most timely of posts!
Please watch McKenna himself define it.. and its importance.... watch from 20 secs onwards
"The technical level was not good enough! we spoke about that at half time" McKenna
"When you say technical not so good in the first half, what do you mean?" ITFC social guy (substitute BB and C Healey)
"Are you Mick McCarthy?" McKenna
Mental strength, physicality, work rate (as McKenna states) they have to be there, its a given. But this is 2022! Technical is the science of football... its application the Engineering (put the system, the patterns, into action, just as McKenna states in the video) - as McKenna states on Technical not working: "The press side of the system was working, but when we got into their half, we had to string more passes together, we were rushed in the execution of the pass", ... old skool managers are less technical, they look at the game less scientifically (they focus on the physicality, the mental strength), modern managers such as McKenna do see things and coach things technically.... you can just hear it in the terms and language he uses, week in week out in his interview... have you not been watching his post match interviews? have you both been living on another planet this season?
Let me let the new Cardiff manager describe a non technical management environment to you, just to make it a bit simpler:
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was OK we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end."
So I ask you again why is our new manager using the word Technical.. but in your minds it is meaningless?? |  |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 12:20 - Aug 25 with 3564 views | NthQldITFC |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 11:14 - Aug 25 by itfcsuth |
It's incredibly flattering. All the metrics show how well coached we are.
Don't want too many people seeing this though, only encourages the vultures to come swirling for KMc. [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 14:20]
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I actually think it's all a load of rubbish, McKenna's not very good at all, and we've just been really lucky so far. #manutdrecruitmentdepartment |  |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 12:56 - Aug 25 with 3310 views | Vic |
Blimey - a comparison to Bayern! |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 12:59 - Aug 25 with 3297 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 12:12 - Aug 25 by unstableblue |
Oh dear boys.. perhaps the most timely of posts!
Please watch McKenna himself define it.. and its importance.... watch from 20 secs onwards
"The technical level was not good enough! we spoke about that at half time" McKenna
"When you say technical not so good in the first half, what do you mean?" ITFC social guy (substitute BB and C Healey)
"Are you Mick McCarthy?" McKenna
Mental strength, physicality, work rate (as McKenna states) they have to be there, its a given. But this is 2022! Technical is the science of football... its application the Engineering (put the system, the patterns, into action, just as McKenna states in the video) - as McKenna states on Technical not working: "The press side of the system was working, but when we got into their half, we had to string more passes together, we were rushed in the execution of the pass", ... old skool managers are less technical, they look at the game less scientifically (they focus on the physicality, the mental strength), modern managers such as McKenna do see things and coach things technically.... you can just hear it in the terms and language he uses, week in week out in his interview... have you not been watching his post match interviews? have you both been living on another planet this season?
Let me let the new Cardiff manager describe a non technical management environment to you, just to make it a bit simpler:
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was OK we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end."
So I ask you again why is our new manager using the word Technical.. but in your minds it is meaningless?? |
I don’t think that clip explains what you think it does, when pressed on it his explanation is basically that we needed to play and execute better in the final third. He then covers things like the mental side, tactics and physicality separately
That’s why the interviewer had to press him on it, as the word itself is meaningless. Or indeed just means good, as again illustrated by the wide range of teams you’ve applied it to. Do you think Rotherham last year were playing the same way as us or doing all of things you’ve outlined?
Not sure what the comments about living on another planet are about, I love what McKenna is doing. Of course some of us stuck our heads above the parapet to say how excited we were about the appointment in the first place, rather than sulking about how Cook had been sacked and how stupid everyone was for thinking it was a good thing… | |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:32 - Aug 25 with 3124 views | unstableblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 12:59 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I don’t think that clip explains what you think it does, when pressed on it his explanation is basically that we needed to play and execute better in the final third. He then covers things like the mental side, tactics and physicality separately
That’s why the interviewer had to press him on it, as the word itself is meaningless. Or indeed just means good, as again illustrated by the wide range of teams you’ve applied it to. Do you think Rotherham last year were playing the same way as us or doing all of things you’ve outlined?
Not sure what the comments about living on another planet are about, I love what McKenna is doing. Of course some of us stuck our heads above the parapet to say how excited we were about the appointment in the first place, rather than sulking about how Cook had been sacked and how stupid everyone was for thinking it was a good thing… |
Oh dear.. possibly the weakest and most lame reply I've had on this forum... deary me deary me.
Jesus McKenna's job title was once Technical Assistant
No one is saying mental, tactical, physical aren't valid and just as important if not more important terms, and of course McKenna mentions those elements of his team's performance - its just technical is also a valid term, always will be.. as he talks about in his interview.. technical is the team's ability to execute the tactic for God's sake!
Then banging on about Cook is some death throe... Pa-thet-tic | |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:36 - Aug 25 with 3107 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:32 - Aug 25 by unstableblue |
Oh dear.. possibly the weakest and most lame reply I've had on this forum... deary me deary me.
Jesus McKenna's job title was once Technical Assistant
No one is saying mental, tactical, physical aren't valid and just as important if not more important terms, and of course McKenna mentions those elements of his team's performance - its just technical is also a valid term, always will be.. as he talks about in his interview.. technical is the team's ability to execute the tactic for God's sake!
Then banging on about Cook is some death throe... Pa-thet-tic |
“technical is the team's ability to execute the tactic for God's sake”
So after all this time, you finally agree that technical isn’t a style of play then, it just means being good? [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 13:36]
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:49 - Aug 25 with 2993 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:36 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“technical is the team's ability to execute the tactic for God's sake”
So after all this time, you finally agree that technical isn’t a style of play then, it just means being good? [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 13:36]
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On the basis of this definition, it therefore follows that Mick's teams were HIGHLY technical, since they were always well drilled and knew their roles.... | |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 14:12 - Aug 25 with 2891 views | BiGDonnie |
Enjoyed reading that, thanks for posting.
Certainly feels different this year, COYBs. |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:20 - Aug 25 with 2866 views | Illinoisblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:36 - Aug 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
“technical is the team's ability to execute the tactic for God's sake”
So after all this time, you finally agree that technical isn’t a style of play then, it just means being good? [Post edited 25 Aug 2022 13:36]
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Peak TWTD here, you love to see it. |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:29 - Aug 25 with 2793 views | Dyland |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:20 - Aug 25 by Illinoisblue |
Peak TWTD here, you love to see it. |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:58 - Aug 25 with 2644 views | unstableblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 13:49 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
On the basis of this definition, it therefore follows that Mick's teams were HIGHLY technical, since they were always well drilled and knew their roles.... |
Eureka!!! at last BB we're getting somewhere!... less abuse more thought... I feel this is a breakthrough moment for you
Of course a 'Technical Manager' does not theoretically mean a manager who promotes and embeds a style of football that is attractive... and your brilliant deduction is correct that if Mick employed a high level of 'scientific' rigour to his team's set-up, if he utilised advanced technical drills, analysis, briefings, in order to 'technically' set-up his players to execute the (long ball) tactic then yes Mick in reality was a highly technical manager!
But we all know that wasn't the case, in fact let a former player confirm "We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top. Without the ball it was OK we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do."
So Technical does not infer directly an attractive style - But we all know that in reality modern technical, and progressive managers DO play a style and system that is easy on the eye, and what fans typically want. Holding possession (or at least efficient possession), interplay, movement, space, pulling teams around, passing on the ground - indeed McKenna himself in his description of technical failing states "we were rushing passes, not stringing enough together, losing possession". And again remember his job title was once 'Technical Assistant'
Let me give you a great anology from my own football coaching experience, from youth football. I wasn't a particularly good coach, I think I was a good motivator, but I didn't have the knowledge of the game or the tactical knowledge or technical depth necessary to set the team up right or put the right drills into the team. My teams won more than they lost, but not by much. But if you looked at two other age groups.... one manager was very 'academic' 'scientific' and everyone at the club called him a 'technical coach' (perhaps that's why I repeat the term on TWTD, but in fact its just to challenge abuse), then there was another more old school coach. Their teams, but more importantly their training sessions could not have been more different. One had been on courses, purchased the training apps, etc. his training was part games, but much more drills on shape, in and our of possessions, transitions (do I need to explain what this means, am I allowed to use it?), the other was much more large pitch games, fitness, set-piece drills. I would say the latter team actually had the better players, the more technical players (yes the term can be used for players, but has a different focus). But the former team was far more successful.. progressing to a national tournament, played at a premier (now championship) ground. The difference in style could not have been more different... in short the technically coached team, had such significantly different movement off the ball, less turnover, much shorter passing... all from the type of manager.
I can carry this through to Unstable Junior's rugby coaching, his age group coaches were mainly forwards, their technical drills quite basic, their shape and tactics quite limited. The age group below were mainly coached by backs... a bright group... there set-up and coaching was far far more technical. They would bamboozle my lads team, and win, despite obvious size differences.
Now BB, shall we agree that at last Ipswich Town have a modern, progressive, tactical and technical manager we can all be proud of - hoorah!! | |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:59 - Aug 25 with 2632 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:58 - Aug 25 by unstableblue |
Eureka!!! at last BB we're getting somewhere!... less abuse more thought... I feel this is a breakthrough moment for you
Of course a 'Technical Manager' does not theoretically mean a manager who promotes and embeds a style of football that is attractive... and your brilliant deduction is correct that if Mick employed a high level of 'scientific' rigour to his team's set-up, if he utilised advanced technical drills, analysis, briefings, in order to 'technically' set-up his players to execute the (long ball) tactic then yes Mick in reality was a highly technical manager!
But we all know that wasn't the case, in fact let a former player confirm "We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top. Without the ball it was OK we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do."
So Technical does not infer directly an attractive style - But we all know that in reality modern technical, and progressive managers DO play a style and system that is easy on the eye, and what fans typically want. Holding possession (or at least efficient possession), interplay, movement, space, pulling teams around, passing on the ground - indeed McKenna himself in his description of technical failing states "we were rushing passes, not stringing enough together, losing possession". And again remember his job title was once 'Technical Assistant'
Let me give you a great anology from my own football coaching experience, from youth football. I wasn't a particularly good coach, I think I was a good motivator, but I didn't have the knowledge of the game or the tactical knowledge or technical depth necessary to set the team up right or put the right drills into the team. My teams won more than they lost, but not by much. But if you looked at two other age groups.... one manager was very 'academic' 'scientific' and everyone at the club called him a 'technical coach' (perhaps that's why I repeat the term on TWTD, but in fact its just to challenge abuse), then there was another more old school coach. Their teams, but more importantly their training sessions could not have been more different. One had been on courses, purchased the training apps, etc. his training was part games, but much more drills on shape, in and our of possessions, transitions (do I need to explain what this means, am I allowed to use it?), the other was much more large pitch games, fitness, set-piece drills. I would say the latter team actually had the better players, the more technical players (yes the term can be used for players, but has a different focus). But the former team was far more successful.. progressing to a national tournament, played at a premier (now championship) ground. The difference in style could not have been more different... in short the technically coached team, had such significantly different movement off the ball, less turnover, much shorter passing... all from the type of manager.
I can carry this through to Unstable Junior's rugby coaching, his age group coaches were mainly forwards, their technical drills quite basic, their shape and tactics quite limited. The age group below were mainly coached by backs... a bright group... there set-up and coaching was far far more technical. They would bamboozle my lads team, and win, despite obvious size differences.
Now BB, shall we agree that at last Ipswich Town have a modern, progressive, tactical and technical manager we can all be proud of - hoorah!! |
That's a lot of words to say 'yes, it's ultimately an utterly meaningless term'. | |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 15:17 - Aug 25 with 2530 views | unstableblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 14:59 - Aug 25 by BlueBadger |
That's a lot of words to say 'yes, it's ultimately an utterly meaningless term'. |
Oh BB... Just for one beautiful moment... that burned so bright in my imagination... I felt we might have consensus!
But you smother it.. like burning books... or the destruction of persian antiquities
Next time I see McKenna I'll tell him to stop using that 'utterly meaningless term' as well | |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 15:47 - Aug 25 with 2392 views | Stenvict |
Lazy journalism, Burgess is not a regular in the back 3. |  |
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| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 15:57 - Aug 25 with 2347 views | itfcsuth |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 15:47 - Aug 25 by Stenvict |
Lazy journalism, Burgess is not a regular in the back 3. |
"most often a defensive trio of George Edmundson, Luke Woolfenden and Janoi Donacien. Cameron Burgess has also featured in at centre-back."
It's far from lazy journalism, it's a really good piece. | | | |
| Athletic Article on our start to the season on 17:12 - Aug 25 with 2219 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Well that’s most team’s scouting done for a few weeks! I hadn’t realised that our league start is the best of any teams in the EFL this season after 5 games |  | | |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 17:29 - Aug 25 with 2134 views | Coastalblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 15:17 - Aug 25 by unstableblue |
Oh BB... Just for one beautiful moment... that burned so bright in my imagination... I felt we might have consensus!
But you smother it.. like burning books... or the destruction of persian antiquities
Next time I see McKenna I'll tell him to stop using that 'utterly meaningless term' as well |
I think most of us, and most of football have an idea of what is meant by technical, it's just that your definition is unique to you and that's probably why people pull you up on it so often. |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 17:37 - Aug 25 with 2098 views | Mullet |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 17:29 - Aug 25 by Coastalblue |
I think most of us, and most of football have an idea of what is meant by technical, it's just that your definition is unique to you and that's probably why people pull you up on it so often. |
That's nicest way of saying wrong I've seen on here. Kudos to you. |  |
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| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 19:31 - Aug 25 with 1851 views | unstableblue |
| Oh deary deary me.. BB and C Healey hoisted on their own petard on 17:29 - Aug 25 by Coastalblue |
I think most of us, and most of football have an idea of what is meant by technical, it's just that your definition is unique to you and that's probably why people pull you up on it so often. |
So what do you think it means?
And do you think it’s an utterly meaningless term? | |
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