| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship 13:58 - Sep 2 with 8629 views | nodge_blue |
I think the first 11 is better than what we had in the championship for at least the last ten years. And the 22 man squad is significantly better. I can't think when we had 2 strong candidates for any one position.
Only area where there's a question mark is a proven number 9. But that doesn't mean one of those here won't become a 20 goal a season guy.
This has to be a championship capable squad already? |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:01 - Sep 2 with 4350 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
But Tabb. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:07 - Sep 2 with 4304 views | jayessess |
Last 10 years? Better than 2014-15? No chance. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:13 - Sep 2 with 4277 views | J2BLUE |
I think people are getting a bit carried away. This is a very good squad for league one.
Hopefully next season we can answer the Championship question but way too early to be making claims like that. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:14 - Sep 2 with 4268 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s really not |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:25 - Sep 2 with 4211 views | DMDC |
It certainly isn't. What planet you on? |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:28 - Sep 2 with 4202 views | tractordownsouth |
It's better than 2018-19 but not better than the last 10 years. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 with 4105 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:07 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Last 10 years? Better than 2014-15? No chance. |
Were these players better than what we have:
Gerkin in goal.....No.
Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes
Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No
Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes
Varney.....No
Cant see how you say no chance. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:55 - Sep 2 with 4076 views | clive_baker |
Would probably agree it's better than the one that came down, but 10 years is a stretch. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:56 - Sep 2 with 4050 views | FrimleyBlue |
Let's see if it can get of league 1 first. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:01 - Sep 2 with 4036 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Were these players better than what we have:
Gerkin in goal.....No.
Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes
Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No
Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes
Varney.....No
Cant see how you say no chance. |
David M as a maybe - hilarious?
Why have you selected those 12 players as a comparison and excluded 2x players that went to an international tournament - Bart and Knudsen. Sears, Bishop, Mings, Bru, Wood also excluded and that's just off the top of my head! |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:03 - Sep 2 with 4009 views | jaykay |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Were these players better than what we have:
Gerkin in goal.....No.
Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes
Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No
Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes
Varney.....No
Cant see how you say no chance. |
the squad is way better . the squad meaning the whole 22 not individuals |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:21 - Sep 2 with 3914 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 14:52 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Were these players better than what we have:
Gerkin in goal.....No.
Mings left back......Yes
Tommy Smith centre back.......No
Chambers right back........No (not as a right back)
Berra.........Yes
Skuse.......No. Not better than Evans on current form or Morsey
Stephen Hunt........No.....he was so slow
McGolrick........maybe. I loved him but he was often injured. And is he better than Chaplin?
Anderson......No
Noel Hunt.....No
Murphy......Yes
Varney.....No
Cant see how you say no chance. |
I think the trouble here is that you're comparing apples and oranges. That squad had a lot of players who looked like lower league journeymen in the context of trying to compete in the Championship. The eye test works differently when the opposition are better!
But they were at that level because they were all too good for League One at that point in their careers.
Of the peak age players in our current squad who has a career to date that remotely compares favourably with most of the players on this list?
Like, you're sniffily talking about how Stephen Hunt, but Hunt played 150 games in the Premier League and was a regular for a decent Ireland team and he was only 32 that season. [Post edited 2 Sep 2022 15:39]
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:26 - Sep 2 with 3886 views | HighgateBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:01 - Sep 2 by PrideOfTheEast |
David M as a maybe - hilarious?
Why have you selected those 12 players as a comparison and excluded 2x players that went to an international tournament - Bart and Knudsen. Sears, Bishop, Mings, Bru, Wood also excluded and that's just off the top of my head! |
You have a number of fair points, but Mings was the first outfield player mentioned tbf. |  | | |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:42 - Sep 2 with 3800 views | itfcjoe |
Course it isn't - these players are playing in League 1 mostly in the prime of their career because they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there with a couple of exceptions.
Even when you look at someone like Sam Morsy he's only once finished in the top half of the Championship in his career and he's 30 - Cole Skuse did that 6 times across his time at Bristol City and here.
Championship footballers have to be very good athletes and very good footballers - we saw what happened when Paul Hirst thought you could just buy athletes at that level, it doesn't work. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:43 - Sep 2 with 3778 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:01 - Sep 2 by PrideOfTheEast |
David M as a maybe - hilarious?
Why have you selected those 12 players as a comparison and excluded 2x players that went to an international tournament - Bart and Knudsen. Sears, Bishop, Mings, Bru, Wood also excluded and that's just off the top of my head! |
Because I took it off this wikipedia page where those players aren't mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014—15_Ipswich_Town_F.C._season
Knudsen doesn't get referenced till the next season. Which makes sense as he replaced Mings. And lets face it was pretty average at best.
Freddie Sears.....No. He was a bang average striker. Never played higher than us. One ok season.
Bishop....come on....where is he now? he was a youngster then who had a handful of promising games. You might as well compare him to Humphreys.
Mings I referenced.
Looking at Barts wiki page it seems he was here in 2015. id give you him. But Im not sure he's better than Walton.
Bru. No. Come on. You putting him over Aluko or Chaplin or Harness?
And Chris Wood barley played. Loan signing. Probably just not getting picked over Murphy.
What makes me laugh is how people now want to defend players that at the time we largely felt weren't good enough. We limped into the playoffs and then got totally outclassed.
And as for the McCarthy percentage football we played..... | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:45 - Sep 2 with 3768 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:21 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
I think the trouble here is that you're comparing apples and oranges. That squad had a lot of players who looked like lower league journeymen in the context of trying to compete in the Championship. The eye test works differently when the opposition are better!
But they were at that level because they were all too good for League One at that point in their careers.
Of the peak age players in our current squad who has a career to date that remotely compares favourably with most of the players on this list?
Like, you're sniffily talking about how Stephen Hunt, but Hunt played 150 games in the Premier League and was a regular for a decent Ireland team and he was only 32 that season. [Post edited 2 Sep 2022 15:39]
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Yeah but that was his record. For us he was past it. So slow. Shuffled about on the wing.
Look at Aluko. Same ageish. But way better. His control of the ball and pace still. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:48 - Sep 2 with 3749 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:42 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Course it isn't - these players are playing in League 1 mostly in the prime of their career because they haven't cut it in the Championship when they've been there with a couple of exceptions.
Even when you look at someone like Sam Morsy he's only once finished in the top half of the Championship in his career and he's 30 - Cole Skuse did that 6 times across his time at Bristol City and here.
Championship footballers have to be very good athletes and very good footballers - we saw what happened when Paul Hirst thought you could just buy athletes at that level, it doesn't work. |
I respect your opinion Joe. Its all a bit of a provocation.
I may allow Skuse in the team. But sometimes players like Morsey maybe didnt get the chance they deserved.
After all he has played for his country but Skuse didnt.
I think we do have very good footballers coupled with very good athletes now.
Id say in a match between the two this current side would keep the ball much better and imo would win it. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:49 - Sep 2 with 3726 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:45 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
Yeah but that was his record. For us he was past it. So slow. Shuffled about on the wing.
Look at Aluko. Same ageish. But way better. His control of the ball and pace still. |
Again, you can't just apply the eye test and say Aluko looks better than Hunt did, when they're playing in different divisions against a different standard of opposition! | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:50 - Sep 2 with 3734 views | HalifaxBlue |
There's a pretty massive recency bias here I think.
Skuse was better than Evans and somewhere around Morsy's level in his prime - different player though. It also makes no sense only consider Evans recent form, that is some serious cherry picking. If you do that, you can also only consider Skuse at his best, and that is better than Evans.
McGoldrick - come on. That being a "maybe" could be used to basically explain what recency bias is. He was an effective prem player. A top player in the Championship and wouldn't have been with us as long if he could stay fit. Unquestionably better than Chaplin at this point.
Also, as mentioned, you've left a few out for some reason? Bart played 35 games to Gerkins 17. Varney only played 4 more games than Jonny Williams that year, but he isn't on your list. Bish, Bru, and Parr all played 30+ games. Freddie's strike rate was nearly a goal every 2 games. Seems an odd list. |  |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:51 - Sep 2 with 3706 views | HalifaxBlue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:48 - Sep 2 by nodge_blue |
I respect your opinion Joe. Its all a bit of a provocation.
I may allow Skuse in the team. But sometimes players like Morsey maybe didnt get the chance they deserved.
After all he has played for his country but Skuse didnt.
I think we do have very good footballers coupled with very good athletes now.
Id say in a match between the two this current side would keep the ball much better and imo would win it. |
Cole Skuse is English and Sam Morsy is Egyptian. Surely that is not a serious point. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:53 - Sep 2 with 3686 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:51 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
Cole Skuse is English and Sam Morsy is Egyptian. Surely that is not a serious point. |
Its a half serious one yes. Egypt aren't bad considering they won the African cup. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:56 - Sep 2 with 3650 views | clive_baker |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:51 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
Cole Skuse is English and Sam Morsy is Egyptian. Surely that is not a serious point. |
I think he's on a Friday afternoon wind up.
Done well to get the amount of nibbles he has to be fair. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:57 - Sep 2 with 3654 views | nodge_blue |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:50 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
There's a pretty massive recency bias here I think.
Skuse was better than Evans and somewhere around Morsy's level in his prime - different player though. It also makes no sense only consider Evans recent form, that is some serious cherry picking. If you do that, you can also only consider Skuse at his best, and that is better than Evans.
McGoldrick - come on. That being a "maybe" could be used to basically explain what recency bias is. He was an effective prem player. A top player in the Championship and wouldn't have been with us as long if he could stay fit. Unquestionably better than Chaplin at this point.
Also, as mentioned, you've left a few out for some reason? Bart played 35 games to Gerkins 17. Varney only played 4 more games than Jonny Williams that year, but he isn't on your list. Bish, Bru, and Parr all played 30+ games. Freddie's strike rate was nearly a goal every 2 games. Seems an odd list. |
I do like McGolrick. He was a class player. The only flair player in a team of workers.
But he was injured far too much.
His goal scoring record as a permanent signing per season was
14 (decent), 7, 4 (yes four), 5 and 6. | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:59 - Sep 2 with 3623 views | jayessess |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:51 - Sep 2 by HalifaxBlue |
Cole Skuse is English and Sam Morsy is Egyptian. Surely that is not a serious point. |
2014-15 squad had 12 players who were or became full internationals (1 Norway, 5 Ireland, 2 New Zealand, 1 Mauritius, 1 Poland, 1 Wales, 1 England) | |
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| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 16:01 - Sep 2 with 3610 views | WeirdFishes |
| This squad is stronger than what we had in the championship on 15:01 - Sep 2 by PrideOfTheEast |
David M as a maybe - hilarious?
Why have you selected those 12 players as a comparison and excluded 2x players that went to an international tournament - Bart and Knudsen. Sears, Bishop, Mings, Bru, Wood also excluded and that's just off the top of my head! |
Chris Wood has to be one of the most underwhelming signings I can remember. |  |
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