| Refs blunders... 00:23 - Oct 19 with 4229 views | BigCommon |
We're only 11weeks into the season. And I can think of a few really bad ones that have gone against us already..
Jackson assaulted at Shrewsbury, no penalty given,
Harness goal disallowed against Barnsley..
Offside equaliser for Wednesday at Hillsborough (miles offside btw)
Edwards , both yellows imo, vs Cambridge were harsh. The 2nd was a joke..
These are blatant mistakes imo. There are a few more slightly less blatant. The Pompey 2nd pen , given against Morsey, I thought, was very harsh.
I'm not bemoaning our luck, in particular. Just using us as an example, as I watch more of us, than other teams at this level. I'm sure others in our division can point out similar incidents that have gone against them. I get that refs are human and can make the odd mistake. But at this rate, we'd have had 10-12 of these decisions over the season. I can't think of any , real, gamechangers that have gone our way, either, off the top of my head.
I'm not a fan of VAR. And honestly don't mind the odd borderline decision going for or against anyone. But, jeese. The officiating at this level is getting worse and worse.. It's gone from bad, to being an absolute lottery.
Like i say, I'm not bemoaning our luck in particular. It's across the board (I assume).
Doubt Morsy would have lasted the first half, either tonight. With that clown of a ref..
Am I overreacting? The reffing has been pretty poor throughout our stay at this level. It just feels like it's getting worse and worse. When it should be improving year in year out.. It's a problem that needs addressing, for the good of everyone, imo. Especially now, with the sort of investment around some clubs in League 1. It's becoming high stakes poker. Literally.
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| Refs blunders... on 03:10 - Oct 19 with 2761 views | bournemouthblue |
I think we probably got away with some power tackles at Plymouth and we got two penalties awarded at Morecambe, not that either were debatable really
Over a course of the season, you'd hope these poor decisions balance out |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 03:13 - Oct 19 with 2754 views | Kropotkin123 |
- Jackson @ Shrewsbury. Assume you mean KVY? Didn't impact game, so not too fussed.
- Barnsley disallowed goal is a big one
- Ref pulling back play when we were 3v1 against Sheff Wed was a big one
- Offside goal for Sheff Wed is massive in the context of the season
- Edwards Vs Cambridge. Don't think hit impacts the league. If true, it isn't a big thing.
- Portsmouth penalty against Morsy was a joke, but it didn't impact us in the end.
If we don't go up automatically, I think we'll have a choice at the end of the season, where we can blame the officials, or we can blame ourselves.
- Against Barnsley, we we too soft defensively.
- Against Sheff Wed we wobbled defensively, creating the opportunity for the ref to make a mistake. We could have played calmer and slowed the game down.
- Against Portsmouth, Morsy could have made a challenge that wasn't so close to the line of acceptance
- 3v1 against Sheff Wed is exempt from this rationale. So perhaps the worst ref decision.
- Then there is the amount of missed chances vs Lincoln. How costly will that be comparatively?
I also think we naturally focus on what goes against us, not for us.
- Keogh falling over against Morecambe in our box and getting a freekick. Their player is in if that isn't given.
- Jackson's penalty vs Morecambe. Slow that down to .25 speed on YouTube, imagine we are the defending player and then try and spot the contact. As fortunate as the Morsy one. Both are soft penalties.
- There are probably more that my blue tints don't allow me to see.
So yes, bad decisions, but bad reffing decisions are part of the game. We just need to focus on eliminating the probability rather than outcome, as the probability is the bit we can control. [Post edited 19 Oct 2022 3:16]
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| Refs blunders... on 04:06 - Oct 19 with 2717 views | BigCommon |
| Refs blunders... on 03:13 - Oct 19 by Kropotkin123 |
- Jackson @ Shrewsbury. Assume you mean KVY? Didn't impact game, so not too fussed.
- Barnsley disallowed goal is a big one
- Ref pulling back play when we were 3v1 against Sheff Wed was a big one
- Offside goal for Sheff Wed is massive in the context of the season
- Edwards Vs Cambridge. Don't think hit impacts the league. If true, it isn't a big thing.
- Portsmouth penalty against Morsy was a joke, but it didn't impact us in the end.
If we don't go up automatically, I think we'll have a choice at the end of the season, where we can blame the officials, or we can blame ourselves.
- Against Barnsley, we we too soft defensively.
- Against Sheff Wed we wobbled defensively, creating the opportunity for the ref to make a mistake. We could have played calmer and slowed the game down.
- Against Portsmouth, Morsy could have made a challenge that wasn't so close to the line of acceptance
- 3v1 against Sheff Wed is exempt from this rationale. So perhaps the worst ref decision.
- Then there is the amount of missed chances vs Lincoln. How costly will that be comparatively?
I also think we naturally focus on what goes against us, not for us.
- Keogh falling over against Morecambe in our box and getting a freekick. Their player is in if that isn't given.
- Jackson's penalty vs Morecambe. Slow that down to .25 speed on YouTube, imagine we are the defending player and then try and spot the contact. As fortunate as the Morsy one. Both are soft penalties.
- There are probably more that my blue tints don't allow me to see.
So yes, bad decisions, but bad reffing decisions are part of the game. We just need to focus on eliminating the probability rather than outcome, as the probability is the bit we can control. [Post edited 19 Oct 2022 3:16]
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Must of meant KVY @ Shrews then.. Regardless of whether it affected the result, it was still a shocking decision. Same as Morsy penalty v Pompey
Maybe off the back of two defeats I'm seeing things a bit negatively.. But these shocking moments of officiating, seem to be happening very regularly. And for things to even out over a season, means a few of our opponents have to be on the wrong end of equally shocking decisions, that go in our favor.. Blooming annoying.
And Tbf, Pert didn't make a great big deal of Edwards red card, post match. How he managed that? I don't know. | | | |
| Refs blunders... on 08:15 - Oct 19 with 2475 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
This is the worst season I've ever seen in terms of refs. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 08:26 - Oct 19 with 2453 views | ElephantintheRoom |
This one-eyed view of referees is totally absurd. It’s a fast-paced game played by abusive cheats watched by vocal and aggressive morons - and officials have to make instant decisions on things they may not even have seen. Referees are human and make mistakes - that’s why the law’s inevitably start with the words “in the referee’s opinion….” Ie they are always right even when they are ‘wrong’.
You ought to try reffing or being a Lino at a kid’s match just to appreciate how difficult or indeed impossible the task is |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 08:48 - Oct 19 with 2397 views | CityBlue |
Parssons gave nine yellows on Saturday as well as his mad display last night.
He has given 28 yellow cards in six games. That speaks volumes about his character. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 08:58 - Oct 19 with 2360 views | BloomBlue |
Refs are human and will make decisions which one side of the fan base will disagree with. VAR has suffered with the same.
But you highlight those errors against us, not the ones which went for us. Morsey's tackle at Plymouth was a red card not a yellow. If that had been the other way round and we lost the game 2-1 a lot of Town fans would be highlighting that as a game we lost because of a ref mistake ie. "Plymouth should have been down to 10 men as that was a sending off". I would also argue Evans in that game made 2 challenges which were minimum yellow potentially a red but 2 yellows then its a red. Fans view is often clouded by the side they support.
You mention the Morsey incident for P'mouth 2nd pen, its not the ref decision you should be moaning at, the fault is with Morsey. Any professional footballer should know putting your foot in the way he did was asking for trouble and there wasn't even a need to do that. You should be moaning at Morsey
That's the issue any ref has many decisions they make will upset some portion of fans, refs cannot win. We're seeing it with VAR now, people argued VAR was going to be there to help refs now you see a growing group of people moaning that refs always go with the VAR decision rather than their original decision. |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 09:07 - Oct 19 with 2322 views | andytown |
| Refs blunders... on 08:58 - Oct 19 by BloomBlue |
Refs are human and will make decisions which one side of the fan base will disagree with. VAR has suffered with the same.
But you highlight those errors against us, not the ones which went for us. Morsey's tackle at Plymouth was a red card not a yellow. If that had been the other way round and we lost the game 2-1 a lot of Town fans would be highlighting that as a game we lost because of a ref mistake ie. "Plymouth should have been down to 10 men as that was a sending off". I would also argue Evans in that game made 2 challenges which were minimum yellow potentially a red but 2 yellows then its a red. Fans view is often clouded by the side they support.
You mention the Morsey incident for P'mouth 2nd pen, its not the ref decision you should be moaning at, the fault is with Morsey. Any professional footballer should know putting your foot in the way he did was asking for trouble and there wasn't even a need to do that. You should be moaning at Morsey
That's the issue any ref has many decisions they make will upset some portion of fans, refs cannot win. We're seeing it with VAR now, people argued VAR was going to be there to help refs now you see a growing group of people moaning that refs always go with the VAR decision rather than their original decision. |
Two things spring to mind for me. One of Evans’ challenges was hard, but he took the ball cleanly and the Plymouth player came in from the side. Not sure what else Evans can do there.
The other is that Mumba should have had a red for the kick at Donacien’s calf long after the ball had gone. | | | |
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| Refs blunders... on 09:08 - Oct 19 with 2317 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Refs blunders... on 08:58 - Oct 19 by BloomBlue |
Refs are human and will make decisions which one side of the fan base will disagree with. VAR has suffered with the same.
But you highlight those errors against us, not the ones which went for us. Morsey's tackle at Plymouth was a red card not a yellow. If that had been the other way round and we lost the game 2-1 a lot of Town fans would be highlighting that as a game we lost because of a ref mistake ie. "Plymouth should have been down to 10 men as that was a sending off". I would also argue Evans in that game made 2 challenges which were minimum yellow potentially a red but 2 yellows then its a red. Fans view is often clouded by the side they support.
You mention the Morsey incident for P'mouth 2nd pen, its not the ref decision you should be moaning at, the fault is with Morsey. Any professional footballer should know putting your foot in the way he did was asking for trouble and there wasn't even a need to do that. You should be moaning at Morsey
That's the issue any ref has many decisions they make will upset some portion of fans, refs cannot win. We're seeing it with VAR now, people argued VAR was going to be there to help refs now you see a growing group of people moaning that refs always go with the VAR decision rather than their original decision. |
Absolute nonsense. It's like you haven't seen the actual incidents. These aren't things that will just even out and are part of the game - I've never seen such appalling decisions in all my years of following football. Even the Cambridge manager said it was a ridiculous decision and should've been a pen last night.
Refs CAN win. They can be good refs - and we have seen a few. So it's nonsense to say refs can't win. | |
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| Refs blunders... on 09:38 - Oct 19 with 2264 views | GeoffSentence |
We should also have had a penalty when Chaplin was tripped in the area vs Pompey, clearer than either of their two.
I think we should also have had at least one penalty vs Bristol Rovers.
Neither of those were game changers because we were good enough to go on and win despite the referees, but feck me there have been some shockers this season - Edwards sending off last night instead of being awarded a penalty is right up there with the worst. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 09:41 - Oct 19 with 2246 views | DJR |
| Refs blunders... on 08:26 - Oct 19 by ElephantintheRoom |
This one-eyed view of referees is totally absurd. It’s a fast-paced game played by abusive cheats watched by vocal and aggressive morons - and officials have to make instant decisions on things they may not even have seen. Referees are human and make mistakes - that’s why the law’s inevitably start with the words “in the referee’s opinion….” Ie they are always right even when they are ‘wrong’.
You ought to try reffing or being a Lino at a kid’s match just to appreciate how difficult or indeed impossible the task is |
I agree with this, and in the case of perhaps the most crucial decisions, Harness had his hands on the opponent's back against Barnsley, so I can see why the ref gave it, and in my view the Sheffield Wednesday goal wasn't offside because the scorer was level with or behind the player who crossed the ball. |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 09:56 - Oct 19 with 2199 views | HighgateBlue |
| Refs blunders... on 03:10 - Oct 19 by bournemouthblue |
I think we probably got away with some power tackles at Plymouth and we got two penalties awarded at Morecambe, not that either were debatable really
Over a course of the season, you'd hope these poor decisions balance out |
Yes I agree re Plymouth. It's true that we've had more shockers go against us than the other way round, but we do have to be objective if we're grumbling that refs aren't. So yes, I think acknowledging there were a couple of incidents at Plymouth that could have ended in reds is only fair. The pundits thought we were very lucky not to have had at least one red, and I tend to concur. Certainly if it had been in the prem, there's no doubt there would have been at least one. |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 10:13 - Oct 19 with 2142 views | BigCommon |
| Refs blunders... on 08:26 - Oct 19 by ElephantintheRoom |
This one-eyed view of referees is totally absurd. It’s a fast-paced game played by abusive cheats watched by vocal and aggressive morons - and officials have to make instant decisions on things they may not even have seen. Referees are human and make mistakes - that’s why the law’s inevitably start with the words “in the referee’s opinion….” Ie they are always right even when they are ‘wrong’.
You ought to try reffing or being a Lino at a kid’s match just to appreciate how difficult or indeed impossible the task is |
I honestly haven't got a one eyed view of refs. I'll always point out if a refs had a decent game. I appreciate that they are human, and as such will make human errors on tight calls.. And I'm not trying to say that we are "so hard done by", either. I was trying to point out that the standard throughout has been worse this year than previous seasons. Or so it seems, imo. . A lot of these calls aren't even tight.. I don't care if they even themselves out over a season. A bad decision can affect a result, and lead to a team losing momentum, through no fault of their own..
The Morsy challenge at Plymouth, I agree, should have been a red card. But that just highlights another poor decision by a ref. at this level. Which basically proves my point..
Refs are consistently getting it wrong. And Imo, they could be doing better.. Feels like I've seen a seasons worth of bad calls in a dozen or so games. | | | |
| Refs blunders... on 10:20 - Oct 19 with 2093 views | clive_baker |
Yeah the standard of refereeing has been absolutely dire this season. I do think there's been a couple of calls that have gone for us too, Morecambe had a good goal chalked off for offside for example. I personally don't like VAR, I think the answer is upskilling the men in the middle and also as supporters accepting that they'll get decisions wrong. It's part and parcel of the game, it's annoying, the authorities should do as much by way of training and development to reduce the risk, but ultimately it'll happen. Plus it gives us something to moan about in the pub after. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:21 - Oct 19 with 2081 views | Simonds92 |
| Refs blunders... on 08:58 - Oct 19 by BloomBlue |
Refs are human and will make decisions which one side of the fan base will disagree with. VAR has suffered with the same.
But you highlight those errors against us, not the ones which went for us. Morsey's tackle at Plymouth was a red card not a yellow. If that had been the other way round and we lost the game 2-1 a lot of Town fans would be highlighting that as a game we lost because of a ref mistake ie. "Plymouth should have been down to 10 men as that was a sending off". I would also argue Evans in that game made 2 challenges which were minimum yellow potentially a red but 2 yellows then its a red. Fans view is often clouded by the side they support.
You mention the Morsey incident for P'mouth 2nd pen, its not the ref decision you should be moaning at, the fault is with Morsey. Any professional footballer should know putting your foot in the way he did was asking for trouble and there wasn't even a need to do that. You should be moaning at Morsey
That's the issue any ref has many decisions they make will upset some portion of fans, refs cannot win. We're seeing it with VAR now, people argued VAR was going to be there to help refs now you see a growing group of people moaning that refs always go with the VAR decision rather than their original decision. |
Someone clearly just repeats everything that Sky sports say. To take that stance on the Evans tackle is ridiculous, he played the ball and gets hit by the Plymouth player, how an earth its even a foul by Evans is beyond me. Morsy fair enough absolutely stupid tackle not going for the ball but Mumba raking his studs down the back of Donacien when the ball is nowhere near him is definitely a red card. | | | |
| Refs blunders... on 10:26 - Oct 19 with 2038 views | Pinewoodblue |
Edwards getting booked for diving needs to be seen as an outlier.
We currently don’t earn enough Penalties in relation to ball possession. We need to invite more fouls, inside and outside the area by driving forward with the ball. No need to overplay contact let the ref decide.
It isn’t unrealistic to expect 10-15 goals a season from the penalty spot.viz |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:29 - Oct 19 with 2022 views | ellaandred |
Players never make mistakes or make the wrong decision, do they? |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 10:30 - Oct 19 with 1996 views | clive_baker |
| Refs blunders... on 10:26 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Edwards getting booked for diving needs to be seen as an outlier.
We currently don’t earn enough Penalties in relation to ball possession. We need to invite more fouls, inside and outside the area by driving forward with the ball. No need to overplay contact let the ref decide.
It isn’t unrealistic to expect 10-15 goals a season from the penalty spot.viz |
As long as Chaplin doesn't take them... | |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:51 - Oct 19 with 1898 views | Deano69 |
| Refs blunders... on 08:15 - Oct 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is the worst season I've ever seen in terms of refs. |
Agreed, and there has been some terrible refs in previous seasons too. Says a lot |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:52 - Oct 19 with 1893 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Refs blunders... on 10:29 - Oct 19 by ellaandred |
Players never make mistakes or make the wrong decision, do they? |
What a stupid and irrelevant whatabouterry comment. | |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:55 - Oct 19 with 1881 views | Deano69 |
| Refs blunders... on 10:29 - Oct 19 by ellaandred |
Players never make mistakes or make the wrong decision, do they? |
Yes, they do, but don't uphold the laws of the game as their only job.
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| Refs blunders... on 10:57 - Oct 19 with 1866 views | clive_baker |
| Refs blunders... on 10:29 - Oct 19 by ellaandred |
Players never make mistakes or make the wrong decision, do they? |
Refs can't be absolved of all culpability based on the fact players make mistakes. We all make mistakes. I think people generally accept that refs do and will keep getting things wrong, they're human, but the standard this season has been especially bad. It's not good enough and it needs to improve. That's not to say the expectation will or should ever be zero mistakes. I don't think anyone is asking for that, they're just asking for better than we're seeing which I think is reasonable. | |
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| Refs blunders... on 10:58 - Oct 19 with 1856 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Refs blunders... on 10:51 - Oct 19 by Deano69 |
Agreed, and there has been some terrible refs in previous seasons too. Says a lot |
Every referee of Premier League matches learnt their trade in the lower leagues. | |
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| Refs blunders... on 11:01 - Oct 19 with 1845 views | Deano69 |
| Refs blunders... on 10:58 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Every referee of Premier League matches learnt their trade in the lower leagues. |
Cant say I have seen many in the past three season likely to get close to the PL | |
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| Refs blunders... on 11:06 - Oct 19 with 1817 views | itfc_bucks |
| Refs blunders... on 10:58 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Every referee of Premier League matches learnt their trade in the lower leagues. |
Quietly confident that that chap from last night won't reach the Premier League.
Aylesbury and District Premier League, perhaps. | | | |
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