| Refs blunders... 00:23 - Oct 19 with 4227 views | BigCommon |
We're only 11weeks into the season. And I can think of a few really bad ones that have gone against us already..
Jackson assaulted at Shrewsbury, no penalty given,
Harness goal disallowed against Barnsley..
Offside equaliser for Wednesday at Hillsborough (miles offside btw)
Edwards , both yellows imo, vs Cambridge were harsh. The 2nd was a joke..
These are blatant mistakes imo. There are a few more slightly less blatant. The Pompey 2nd pen , given against Morsey, I thought, was very harsh.
I'm not bemoaning our luck, in particular. Just using us as an example, as I watch more of us, than other teams at this level. I'm sure others in our division can point out similar incidents that have gone against them. I get that refs are human and can make the odd mistake. But at this rate, we'd have had 10-12 of these decisions over the season. I can't think of any , real, gamechangers that have gone our way, either, off the top of my head.
I'm not a fan of VAR. And honestly don't mind the odd borderline decision going for or against anyone. But, jeese. The officiating at this level is getting worse and worse.. It's gone from bad, to being an absolute lottery.
Like i say, I'm not bemoaning our luck in particular. It's across the board (I assume).
Doubt Morsy would have lasted the first half, either tonight. With that clown of a ref..
Am I overreacting? The reffing has been pretty poor throughout our stay at this level. It just feels like it's getting worse and worse. When it should be improving year in year out.. It's a problem that needs addressing, for the good of everyone, imo. Especially now, with the sort of investment around some clubs in League 1. It's becoming high stakes poker. Literally.
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| Refs blunders... on 11:21 - Oct 19 with 1355 views | Illinoisblue |
| Refs blunders... on 08:48 - Oct 19 by CityBlue |
Parssons gave nine yellows on Saturday as well as his mad display last night.
He has given 28 yellow cards in six games. That speaks volumes about his character. |
He needs to be struck off immediately |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 11:21 - Oct 19 with 1358 views | Garv |
| Refs blunders... on 10:21 - Oct 19 by Simonds92 |
Someone clearly just repeats everything that Sky sports say. To take that stance on the Evans tackle is ridiculous, he played the ball and gets hit by the Plymouth player, how an earth its even a foul by Evans is beyond me. Morsy fair enough absolutely stupid tackle not going for the ball but Mumba raking his studs down the back of Donacien when the ball is nowhere near him is definitely a red card. |
You completely back up the point that it's down to opinion.
In my opinion the Mumba 'tackle' didn't deserve a red, and neither did Morsy's - though that was maybe borderline. I think if you asked Morsy about that he'd say he was trying to plant his foot in the ground to shield the ball from their man, and probably didn't expect him to slide in. If the man doesn't slide in, Morsy doesn't make any contact with him. File under 'looked worse than it was'. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 13:01 - Oct 19 with 1293 views | Stewart27 |
| Refs blunders... on 03:13 - Oct 19 by Kropotkin123 |
- Jackson @ Shrewsbury. Assume you mean KVY? Didn't impact game, so not too fussed.
- Barnsley disallowed goal is a big one
- Ref pulling back play when we were 3v1 against Sheff Wed was a big one
- Offside goal for Sheff Wed is massive in the context of the season
- Edwards Vs Cambridge. Don't think hit impacts the league. If true, it isn't a big thing.
- Portsmouth penalty against Morsy was a joke, but it didn't impact us in the end.
If we don't go up automatically, I think we'll have a choice at the end of the season, where we can blame the officials, or we can blame ourselves.
- Against Barnsley, we we too soft defensively.
- Against Sheff Wed we wobbled defensively, creating the opportunity for the ref to make a mistake. We could have played calmer and slowed the game down.
- Against Portsmouth, Morsy could have made a challenge that wasn't so close to the line of acceptance
- 3v1 against Sheff Wed is exempt from this rationale. So perhaps the worst ref decision.
- Then there is the amount of missed chances vs Lincoln. How costly will that be comparatively?
I also think we naturally focus on what goes against us, not for us.
- Keogh falling over against Morecambe in our box and getting a freekick. Their player is in if that isn't given.
- Jackson's penalty vs Morecambe. Slow that down to .25 speed on YouTube, imagine we are the defending player and then try and spot the contact. As fortunate as the Morsy one. Both are soft penalties.
- There are probably more that my blue tints don't allow me to see.
So yes, bad decisions, but bad reffing decisions are part of the game. We just need to focus on eliminating the probability rather than outcome, as the probability is the bit we can control. [Post edited 19 Oct 2022 3:16]
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So don’t concede any chances at all and the ref won’t need to make the wrong decision?
I can guarantee that won’t happen so we’re back to relying on the ref to make the right decision. |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 13:07 - Oct 19 with 1278 views | Dyland |
| Refs blunders... on 10:13 - Oct 19 by BigCommon |
I honestly haven't got a one eyed view of refs. I'll always point out if a refs had a decent game. I appreciate that they are human, and as such will make human errors on tight calls.. And I'm not trying to say that we are "so hard done by", either. I was trying to point out that the standard throughout has been worse this year than previous seasons. Or so it seems, imo. . A lot of these calls aren't even tight.. I don't care if they even themselves out over a season. A bad decision can affect a result, and lead to a team losing momentum, through no fault of their own..
The Morsy challenge at Plymouth, I agree, should have been a red card. But that just highlights another poor decision by a ref. at this level. Which basically proves my point..
Refs are consistently getting it wrong. And Imo, they could be doing better.. Feels like I've seen a seasons worth of bad calls in a dozen or so games. |
I agree with both you and the Elephant tbh. Nerders point about reffing kids/grassroots is something I always bang on about, how can you train good refs when it’s such a non larf job.
Last night’s sending off was remarkable though, and deserving of whatever reprimands refs get. Like it or not (and Nerdy does not like one bit) the game is professional and high stakes now. If you make mistakes in any other business that cost your company a contract, say, you get fired eventually.
Ref associations pointing to abuse at all levels is fair enough but when do they ever admit or apologise for serious reffing errors that cost teams points etc… |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 13:44 - Oct 19 with 1230 views | Plums |
| Refs blunders... on 10:57 - Oct 19 by clive_baker |
Refs can't be absolved of all culpability based on the fact players make mistakes. We all make mistakes. I think people generally accept that refs do and will keep getting things wrong, they're human, but the standard this season has been especially bad. It's not good enough and it needs to improve. That's not to say the expectation will or should ever be zero mistakes. I don't think anyone is asking for that, they're just asking for better than we're seeing which I think is reasonable. |
The standard of refereeing will only decrease as they leave the game in their droves in their teens. Only those who are prepared to be abused regularly for £20-£50 on a Saturday or Sunday will come through so with that filtering out some of the best along the way, the pro game will get the 'best of the rest'.
We're in terrible trouble. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 14:43 - Oct 19 with 1202 views | OldFart71 |
I sincerely hope that Town will appeal the Red against Cambridge. That has to be the biggest joke ever. I have seen players like Raheem Stirling go down in the box with little or no contact and the ref just waves his hands and gives a goal kick, no pen. Last night it was clear that Edwards was taken out by the defender, definite pen. To then send him off was the most an atrocious decision. Any other profession and these guys would get the sack. It isn't as if it's a rare occasion, it's virtually every game. | | | |
| Refs blunders... on 14:55 - Oct 19 with 1176 views | PhilTWTD |
| Refs blunders... on 14:43 - Oct 19 by OldFart71 |
I sincerely hope that Town will appeal the Red against Cambridge. That has to be the biggest joke ever. I have seen players like Raheem Stirling go down in the box with little or no contact and the ref just waves his hands and gives a goal kick, no pen. Last night it was clear that Edwards was taken out by the defender, definite pen. To then send him off was the most an atrocious decision. Any other profession and these guys would get the sack. It isn't as if it's a rare occasion, it's virtually every game. |
Two yellow cards can't be appealed. |  | | |
| Refs blunders... on 15:15 - Oct 19 with 1154 views | peterleeblue |
| Refs blunders... on 08:26 - Oct 19 by ElephantintheRoom |
This one-eyed view of referees is totally absurd. It’s a fast-paced game played by abusive cheats watched by vocal and aggressive morons - and officials have to make instant decisions on things they may not even have seen. Referees are human and make mistakes - that’s why the law’s inevitably start with the words “in the referee’s opinion….” Ie they are always right even when they are ‘wrong’.
You ought to try reffing or being a Lino at a kid’s match just to appreciate how difficult or indeed impossible the task is |
Totally this.
I line in the Northern Premier League (6th tier).
I always say to people - take your test and start with under 11/12 Boys or Girls.
After one match you will realise just how hard the job is.
The expectations and the total lack of respect are a massive problem. |  | | |
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| Refs blunders... on 15:18 - Oct 19 with 1150 views | peterleeblue |
| Refs blunders... on 10:57 - Oct 19 by clive_baker |
Refs can't be absolved of all culpability based on the fact players make mistakes. We all make mistakes. I think people generally accept that refs do and will keep getting things wrong, they're human, but the standard this season has been especially bad. It's not good enough and it needs to improve. That's not to say the expectation will or should ever be zero mistakes. I don't think anyone is asking for that, they're just asking for better than we're seeing which I think is reasonable. |
I see it all the time at all levels.
Striker misses one on one / open goal - "oh keep your head up" or "you'll get another chance" "Unlucky".
Ref gets throw in the wrong way. Its a hanging offence.
It totally ridiculous. | | | |
| Refs blunders... on 16:05 - Oct 20 with 998 views | Garv |
| Refs blunders... on 13:07 - Oct 19 by Dyland |
I agree with both you and the Elephant tbh. Nerders point about reffing kids/grassroots is something I always bang on about, how can you train good refs when it’s such a non larf job.
Last night’s sending off was remarkable though, and deserving of whatever reprimands refs get. Like it or not (and Nerdy does not like one bit) the game is professional and high stakes now. If you make mistakes in any other business that cost your company a contract, say, you get fired eventually.
Ref associations pointing to abuse at all levels is fair enough but when do they ever admit or apologise for serious reffing errors that cost teams points etc… |
'Ref associations pointing to abuse at all levels is fair enough but when do they ever admit or apologise for serious reffing errors that cost teams points etc…'
Genuinely, what actual good would that do? | |
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| Refs blunders... on 16:09 - Oct 20 with 997 views | Garv |
| Refs blunders... on 10:13 - Oct 19 by BigCommon |
I honestly haven't got a one eyed view of refs. I'll always point out if a refs had a decent game. I appreciate that they are human, and as such will make human errors on tight calls.. And I'm not trying to say that we are "so hard done by", either. I was trying to point out that the standard throughout has been worse this year than previous seasons. Or so it seems, imo. . A lot of these calls aren't even tight.. I don't care if they even themselves out over a season. A bad decision can affect a result, and lead to a team losing momentum, through no fault of their own..
The Morsy challenge at Plymouth, I agree, should have been a red card. But that just highlights another poor decision by a ref. at this level. Which basically proves my point..
Refs are consistently getting it wrong. And Imo, they could be doing better.. Feels like I've seen a seasons worth of bad calls in a dozen or so games. |
'The Morsy challenge at Plymouth, I agree, should have been a red card. But that just highlights another poor decision by a ref. at this level. Which basically proves my point..'
Where has it been confirmed that was a mistake or a poor decision? Plenty thought a yellow was about fair. | |
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| Refs blunders... on 16:38 - Oct 20 with 955 views | Radlett_blue |
| Refs blunders... on 16:09 - Oct 20 by Garv |
'The Morsy challenge at Plymouth, I agree, should have been a red card. But that just highlights another poor decision by a ref. at this level. Which basically proves my point..'
Where has it been confirmed that was a mistake or a poor decision? Plenty thought a yellow was about fair. |
Referees see a bad challenge once, at full speed and often from a bad angle. No wonder there is often huge disagreement as to what should be a yellow or a red card. Slow motion replays almost always make these sort of challenges look more deliberate & therefore worse so they are rarely helpful.
I have more of a beef if a referee fails to apply the laws correctly, rather than makes a judgement with which I disagree. |  |
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| Refs blunders... on 17:37 - Oct 20 with 928 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Refs blunders... on 16:05 - Oct 20 by Garv |
'Ref associations pointing to abuse at all levels is fair enough but when do they ever admit or apologise for serious reffing errors that cost teams points etc…'
Genuinely, what actual good would that do? |
Well they'd be seen in a better light for starters. I'd have a lot more respect for the refs who've made poor decisions against us this season if they'd come out and said, "Sorry everyone, having reviewed it again I made a bit of a cock up there." Same with politicians TBF!
It might make them be a bit more careful about their decisions as well, knowing they're going to be accountable. At the moment there's very little comeback and the FA almost always protects their man, which perhaps makes them less bothered about if a decision's wrong or right. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Accountability on 17:40 - Oct 20 with 928 views | Dyland |
| Refs blunders... on 13:07 - Oct 19 by Dyland |
I agree with both you and the Elephant tbh. Nerders point about reffing kids/grassroots is something I always bang on about, how can you train good refs when it’s such a non larf job.
Last night’s sending off was remarkable though, and deserving of whatever reprimands refs get. Like it or not (and Nerdy does not like one bit) the game is professional and high stakes now. If you make mistakes in any other business that cost your company a contract, say, you get fired eventually.
Ref associations pointing to abuse at all levels is fair enough but when do they ever admit or apologise for serious reffing errors that cost teams points etc… |
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