| A bit of morning after positivity 08:11 - Oct 30 with 5173 views | Dubtractor |
Got to be honest, I was fuming after the game yesterday, that last 3 minutes genuinely put me into a sh1tty mood for the evening. Even knowing at the time that it's still a decent away point, and a 7 point week is a good return, the manner of the draw was hard to take. But after all of us have had a go at dissecting the bad bits of yesterday, how about some positivity.
Extrapolating our form over 17 games - a pretty big sample - over the full season, we'd end up on 100 points and 95 goals. I'm assuming that would be a best ever total for us?
After a slow start to his Town career, Ladapo is starting to look like a very good centre forward for us, adding goals to some decent performances.
We are creating lots of chances in most games now, and play attacking football of a quality that we've not seen in years. As we are now more attack focussed, we do take more risks and will give up a few more chances in games, but I think we'd all accept that rather than grinding out 1-0's each week.
We've got attacking options that most teams in this division would love to have, and whilst I know some find the regular 65 minute changeover frustrating, it is very evident that we benefit from it with a lot of goals in the last 30 minutes of games.
We've had a number of injuries (plus one suspension) in the first few months of the season, but we've just kept going without missing a beat. That suggests a very well coached squad that copes with absences without too much drama.
So, in summary, its all good and we're going up! [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 8:22]
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| Also: Camara available soon + 6 points in next 2 games is really achievable (n/t) on 08:20 - Oct 30 with 3334 views | unstableblue |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:22 - Oct 30 with 3329 views | JakeITFC |
It was also a pretty brilliant away day, celebrations the like of which we haven’t had in a good while.
Freak game, very undeserved for Charlton to get back into it but we’ll be absolutely fine. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:25 - Oct 30 with 3296 views | ITFC_Forever |
Ladapo took his goal beautifully, good touch out of his feet and a cracking finish from outside of the box.
I’m still sceptical on him, but he’s improving nicely. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:26 - Oct 30 with 3296 views | chicoazul |
Believe you’re right Dubbers. It’s probably churlish and unfair on the other teams but we just need to close out wins from dominant positions, we’d be top by a distance if so. But it does indeed look like the Town are going up. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:27 - Oct 30 with 3294 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:22 - Oct 30 by JakeITFC |
It was also a pretty brilliant away day, celebrations the like of which we haven’t had in a good while.
Freak game, very undeserved for Charlton to get back into it but we’ll be absolutely fine. |
Those extra time celebrations were quite something but blimey what a sense of deflation afterwards.
Ladapo definitely a big positive these last few games. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:29 - Oct 30 with 3288 views | BudapestByBlimp |
"We've had a number of injuries (plus one suspension) in the first few months of the season, but we've just kept going without missing a beat. That suggests a very well coached squad that copes with absences without too much drama".
For me this is the key to this season. It's not very exciting to say but consistency is the route to promotion and when we can replace Morsy and Evans who have been the mainstays of the midfield and still win on Tuesday it shows strength in depth, good coaching and organisation.
My emotions were all over the place yesterday in the last 10 minutes - it was a great game all round but we still picked up a point and 3 of the next 4 league games are at home. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:45 - Oct 30 with 3180 views | LankHenners |
Yeah I think that's very fair.
Obviously hugely frustrating that we completely switched off at 4-2 up and threw the win away but it's not as if we're outside the playoffs and regularly doing this - then there'd be reason for serious concern.
McKenna will, I'm sure, be letting the players know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out.
Not that we should have had a problem with seeing out a 4-2 lead in stoppage time, but you can go through the players we have unavailable and pretty much all of them are ones you can argue would be very helpful in that situation. Leigh a good aerial defender, Evans and extra quality body in midfield, likewise Camara, Aluko great at being calm and keeping the ball, Ahadme a target man to relieve pressure/hold the ball in the corner.
Really liked Ladapo's goal, reminded me of Daryl Murphy - good strength to hold off and roll the defender, nice touch out of feet to give him room to strike and a powerful finish. Pleasing that he's finding a bit of goalscoring form. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:49 - Oct 30 with 3145 views | GlasgowBlue |
I feel sorry for Ladapo.
He scores two goals on Tuesday, including the winner. And everybody is talking about Humphreys.
He comes on yesterday and scores an absolute screamer in injury time that should have been the winning goal. And his team mates proceed to throw away the game in stoppage time. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:55 - Oct 30 with 3111 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:45 - Oct 30 by LankHenners |
Yeah I think that's very fair.
Obviously hugely frustrating that we completely switched off at 4-2 up and threw the win away but it's not as if we're outside the playoffs and regularly doing this - then there'd be reason for serious concern.
McKenna will, I'm sure, be letting the players know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out.
Not that we should have had a problem with seeing out a 4-2 lead in stoppage time, but you can go through the players we have unavailable and pretty much all of them are ones you can argue would be very helpful in that situation. Leigh a good aerial defender, Evans and extra quality body in midfield, likewise Camara, Aluko great at being calm and keeping the ball, Ahadme a target man to relieve pressure/hold the ball in the corner.
Really liked Ladapo's goal, reminded me of Daryl Murphy - good strength to hold off and roll the defender, nice touch out of feet to give him room to strike and a powerful finish. Pleasing that he's finding a bit of goalscoring form. |
"know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out"
I hope we can trust him but what ever hes been doing isnt working...
It's not the first time we have thrown away a lead and not the first time we've struggled with pressure to our box.
Imo he's got to make this top priority this week. Forget the cup game. Work on ensuring we don't let sides back in games. It's happening to often to be a fluke or a crazy game... |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:58 - Oct 30 with 3087 views | chicoazul |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:55 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
"know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out"
I hope we can trust him but what ever hes been doing isnt working...
It's not the first time we have thrown away a lead and not the first time we've struggled with pressure to our box.
Imo he's got to make this top priority this week. Forget the cup game. Work on ensuring we don't let sides back in games. It's happening to often to be a fluke or a crazy game... |
Well it is working though isn’t it. Look at our recent form. Yesterday I am satisfied was a freak result and so are all the sensible posters here. McK is doing a great job. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:06 - Oct 30 with 3021 views | bobbyramsey |
I wish I shared your positivity. Yesterday was a kick in the teeth from which I'm still suffering badly.
My main concern is that we've been 'gifting' goals all season and yesterday was just another appalling example and still KM has not got a handle on it.
If we'd been defending properly and seeing games out we'd be running away with this league by now, as our general play deserves. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:07 - Oct 30 with 3003 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:58 - Oct 30 by chicoazul |
Well it is working though isn’t it. Look at our recent form. Yesterday I am satisfied was a freak result and so are all the sensible posters here. McK is doing a great job. |
Well no. Its not working if you continue to let leads slip.
You may overcome it which we have in some games. But it doesn't mean the problem has gone away.
2 cleansheets since Burgess got injured.
Of course come may if we get promoted none of this even matters.. BUT to give yourself a BETTER chance of promotion first, would be to resolve the problems you have.
You say sensible posters. IF we failed to go up. Are you still sensible, or just happy clapping through the season? And blindly ignoring any negatives?
We all want town promoted. We all can see we are 2nd and we can all see that we've had some great results. No one is saying any different. I would however put to you that's its more sensible to recognise weaknesses rather than blindly ignoring them. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 9:13]
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:08 - Oct 30 with 3003 views | LankHenners |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:55 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
"know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out"
I hope we can trust him but what ever hes been doing isnt working...
It's not the first time we have thrown away a lead and not the first time we've struggled with pressure to our box.
Imo he's got to make this top priority this week. Forget the cup game. Work on ensuring we don't let sides back in games. It's happening to often to be a fluke or a crazy game... |
What he's doing is working because we're 2nd having scored more goals than anyone else with the joint best GD and miles ahead of 7th.
We've had two games this week where we've surrendered leads (but have shown we can retake them) and you have to go back over a month to Sheff Weds which was the last time we gave up 2 goals. The only other games you can say we let teams back in it on the face of it are Plymouth and Barnsley but the former beat us fair and square with two screamers after we failed to take our chances at 1-0 and the latter was a ref horror show at the end of the day.
All teams will throw leads away, Plymouth and Wednesday have both done that in the last couple of weeks in games they'll feel they really should have won. The idea we're regularly chucking points down the drain is reactionary boll0cks.
If we have a weakness atm then it is teams lumping balls and crosses into the box but other areas people were complaining we were poor at (scoring from set pieces, scoring different types of goals, attacking in more areas than just the right hand side) have been worked on and problems pretty much solved. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:11 - Oct 30 with 2962 views | ITFC_Forever |
And we scored a header from a corner. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:17 - Oct 30 with 2901 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:08 - Oct 30 by LankHenners |
What he's doing is working because we're 2nd having scored more goals than anyone else with the joint best GD and miles ahead of 7th.
We've had two games this week where we've surrendered leads (but have shown we can retake them) and you have to go back over a month to Sheff Weds which was the last time we gave up 2 goals. The only other games you can say we let teams back in it on the face of it are Plymouth and Barnsley but the former beat us fair and square with two screamers after we failed to take our chances at 1-0 and the latter was a ref horror show at the end of the day.
All teams will throw leads away, Plymouth and Wednesday have both done that in the last couple of weeks in games they'll feel they really should have won. The idea we're regularly chucking points down the drain is reactionary boll0cks.
If we have a weakness atm then it is teams lumping balls and crosses into the box but other areas people were complaining we were poor at (scoring from set pieces, scoring different types of goals, attacking in more areas than just the right hand side) have been worked on and problems pretty much solved. |
"The idea we're regularly chucking points down the drain is reactionary boll0cks"
Exactly why I didn't specifically say anything about points | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:18 - Oct 30 with 2904 views | davblue |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:07 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Well no. Its not working if you continue to let leads slip.
You may overcome it which we have in some games. But it doesn't mean the problem has gone away.
2 cleansheets since Burgess got injured.
Of course come may if we get promoted none of this even matters.. BUT to give yourself a BETTER chance of promotion first, would be to resolve the problems you have.
You say sensible posters. IF we failed to go up. Are you still sensible, or just happy clapping through the season? And blindly ignoring any negatives?
We all want town promoted. We all can see we are 2nd and we can all see that we've had some great results. No one is saying any different. I would however put to you that's its more sensible to recognise weaknesses rather than blindly ignoring them. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 9:13]
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We aren’t going to be perfect all season and there will be different parts of our game that aren’t at their best during parts of the season.
I think he’s shown he’s a problem solver so far, corners we were weak on now we are better, we are also in league 1, players aren’t going to be perfect in everything that they do that’s the reality of where we are. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:23 - Oct 30 with 2859 views | LankHenners |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:17 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
"The idea we're regularly chucking points down the drain is reactionary boll0cks"
Exactly why I didn't specifically say anything about points |
Losing leads = dropping points. If it was happening as regularly as you claim we wouldn't have as many points as we do. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:29 - Oct 30 with 2804 views | itfcjoe |
We are the best team in the league by basically whatever metric you look at, and only not top because Plymouth score loads of low quality chances and have a superb keeper - they have 4 of their key players on loan and have had no tough away games yet.
We will be finishing around that 90 point mark, if that isn't enough for the top 2 then you just have to hold your hands up and be hugely frustrated and go again in the play offs.
It's a relentless season, and we've been relentless. We have had 7 league games in October, we've got a glut of injuries, and we have picked up 16 points - plus progressed in the Papa Johns Trophy with an 8th game this month.
Look back at the predictions for October and no one is saying 16 points - we are relentless and will continue to be.
Yesterday was a total freak, but even then had totally wrestled back control of game after conceding against a side with very good home record and battered them from their second goal until our 4th - and then we lost our heads |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:31 - Oct 30 with 2790 views | HungryLikeTheWoolf |
Yesterday was frustrating (as was giving away a 2 goal lead at Sheffield Wednesday), but I just hope we learn from it and make sure we see out these leads in future - from McKenna's comments post match, it seems like this will hopefully be the case. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:39 - Oct 30 with 2742 views | BigCommon |
It's been a good week overall.. Decent wins over Derby and Vale and a point at Charlton. Bonus performance from Humphreys midweek and our striker is up and running , too.. Looking at the table today, it makes good reading. Top two, top scorers. After a really demanding month..
FA cup is a handy break from the league. Gives the squad a chance to press the reset button and take a breath after "that game".
I'm sure the usual sources will be eager to slate a few individuals.. Think I'll wait until BM Friday show, until I watch any social media . Hopefully it will be out of everyone's system by then.. Plus, the spare room needs a lick of paint.. Looking forwards to, hopefully seeing one or two youngsters run out in The Cup. |  | | |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:42 - Oct 30 with 2702 views | itfcjoe |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:39 - Oct 30 by BigCommon |
It's been a good week overall.. Decent wins over Derby and Vale and a point at Charlton. Bonus performance from Humphreys midweek and our striker is up and running , too.. Looking at the table today, it makes good reading. Top two, top scorers. After a really demanding month..
FA cup is a handy break from the league. Gives the squad a chance to press the reset button and take a breath after "that game".
I'm sure the usual sources will be eager to slate a few individuals.. Think I'll wait until BM Friday show, until I watch any social media . Hopefully it will be out of everyone's system by then.. Plus, the spare room needs a lick of paint.. Looking forwards to, hopefully seeing one or two youngsters run out in The Cup. |
You can watch are Flagship show tonight, I’m on it and feeling very philosophical about it all and sure Mikey and Craig won’t be too reactionary either! | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:43 - Oct 30 with 2682 views | NthQldITFC |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:49 - Oct 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I feel sorry for Ladapo.
He scores two goals on Tuesday, including the winner. And everybody is talking about Humphreys.
He comes on yesterday and scores an absolute screamer in injury time that should have been the winning goal. And his team mates proceed to throw away the game in stoppage time. |
I know you mean you feel sorry for him in a sort of abstract way, but having heard him interviewed yesterday one thing that was clear to me was that he's a very level headed bloke, not too up and not too down, and you could see his delight when other people were getting the goals and he wasn't. Just another bit of evidence that our recruitment and management teams are doing a very sound job in the sort of people they get in, and how they manage them. |  |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:44 - Oct 30 with 2659 views | ITFC_Forever |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:29 - Oct 30 by itfcjoe |
We are the best team in the league by basically whatever metric you look at, and only not top because Plymouth score loads of low quality chances and have a superb keeper - they have 4 of their key players on loan and have had no tough away games yet.
We will be finishing around that 90 point mark, if that isn't enough for the top 2 then you just have to hold your hands up and be hugely frustrated and go again in the play offs.
It's a relentless season, and we've been relentless. We have had 7 league games in October, we've got a glut of injuries, and we have picked up 16 points - plus progressed in the Papa Johns Trophy with an 8th game this month.
Look back at the predictions for October and no one is saying 16 points - we are relentless and will continue to be.
Yesterday was a total freak, but even then had totally wrestled back control of game after conceding against a side with very good home record and battered them from their second goal until our 4th - and then we lost our heads |
Looking at the metric that counts (points on the board) we’re not…. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 10:45 - Oct 30 with 2389 views | chicoazul |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 09:07 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Well no. Its not working if you continue to let leads slip.
You may overcome it which we have in some games. But it doesn't mean the problem has gone away.
2 cleansheets since Burgess got injured.
Of course come may if we get promoted none of this even matters.. BUT to give yourself a BETTER chance of promotion first, would be to resolve the problems you have.
You say sensible posters. IF we failed to go up. Are you still sensible, or just happy clapping through the season? And blindly ignoring any negatives?
We all want town promoted. We all can see we are 2nd and we can all see that we've had some great results. No one is saying any different. I would however put to you that's its more sensible to recognise weaknesses rather than blindly ignoring them. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 9:13]
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We’re second. We are on a fantastic run of form. All teams have weaknesses, you can get behind Cancelao and you can over run Arsenal in midfield. While I understand that it is the same problems repeating themselves - giving away leads, not defending high balls very well - it is also true the same positives repeat themselves too - scoring plenty of goals and dominating possession. This is borne out over the last 17 games regardless of who we are playing or who is in the team. | |
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| A bit of morning after positivity on 10:46 - Oct 30 with 2377 views | pointofblue |
| A bit of morning after positivity on 08:45 - Oct 30 by LankHenners |
Yeah I think that's very fair.
Obviously hugely frustrating that we completely switched off at 4-2 up and threw the win away but it's not as if we're outside the playoffs and regularly doing this - then there'd be reason for serious concern.
McKenna will, I'm sure, be letting the players know how we ended yesterday was totally unacceptable and I trust him to sort things out.
Not that we should have had a problem with seeing out a 4-2 lead in stoppage time, but you can go through the players we have unavailable and pretty much all of them are ones you can argue would be very helpful in that situation. Leigh a good aerial defender, Evans and extra quality body in midfield, likewise Camara, Aluko great at being calm and keeping the ball, Ahadme a target man to relieve pressure/hold the ball in the corner.
Really liked Ladapo's goal, reminded me of Daryl Murphy - good strength to hold off and roll the defender, nice touch out of feet to give him room to strike and a powerful finish. Pleasing that he's finding a bit of goalscoring form. |
Is there any evidence McKenna is able to sort it out?
2-0 lead thrown away against Wednesday
2-0 lead thrown away against Port Vale
2-0 and 4-2 leads thrown away against Charlton
At what point do we learn our lesson as we haven’t yet. |  |
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