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A bit of morning after positivity 08:11 - Oct 30 with 5175 viewsDubtractor

Got to be honest, I was fuming after the game yesterday, that last 3 minutes genuinely put me into a sh1tty mood for the evening. Even knowing at the time that it's still a decent away point, and a 7 point week is a good return, the manner of the draw was hard to take. But after all of us have had a go at dissecting the bad bits of yesterday, how about some positivity.

Extrapolating our form over 17 games - a pretty big sample - over the full season, we'd end up on 100 points and 95 goals. I'm assuming that would be a best ever total for us?

After a slow start to his Town career, Ladapo is starting to look like a very good centre forward for us, adding goals to some decent performances.

We are creating lots of chances in most games now, and play attacking football of a quality that we've not seen in years. As we are now more attack focussed, we do take more risks and will give up a few more chances in games, but I think we'd all accept that rather than grinding out 1-0's each week.

We've got attacking options that most teams in this division would love to have, and whilst I know some find the regular 65 minute changeover frustrating, it is very evident that we benefit from it with a lot of goals in the last 30 minutes of games.

We've had a number of injuries (plus one suspension) in the first few months of the season, but we've just kept going without missing a beat. That suggests a very well coached squad that copes with absences without too much drama.

So, in summary, its all good and we're going up!
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A bit of morning after positivity on 10:47 - Oct 30 with 1759 viewschicoazul

A bit of morning after positivity on 09:29 - Oct 30 by itfcjoe

We are the best team in the league by basically whatever metric you look at, and only not top because Plymouth score loads of low quality chances and have a superb keeper - they have 4 of their key players on loan and have had no tough away games yet.

We will be finishing around that 90 point mark, if that isn't enough for the top 2 then you just have to hold your hands up and be hugely frustrated and go again in the play offs.

It's a relentless season, and we've been relentless. We have had 7 league games in October, we've got a glut of injuries, and we have picked up 16 points - plus progressed in the Papa Johns Trophy with an 8th game this month.

Look back at the predictions for October and no one is saying 16 points - we are relentless and will continue to be.

Yesterday was a total freak, but even then had totally wrestled back control of game after conceding against a side with very good home record and battered them from their second goal until our 4th - and then we lost our heads


All metrics apart from one. But I agree with you on most else.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 11:31 - Oct 30 with 1703 viewsLankHenners

A bit of morning after positivity on 10:46 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

Is there any evidence McKenna is able to sort it out?

2-0 lead thrown away against Wednesday
2-0 lead thrown away against Port Vale
2-0 and 4-2 leads thrown away against Charlton

At what point do we learn our lesson as we haven’t yet.


As I said he's sorted out a lot of other things people were crying about so you have to trust he can iron this issue out as well.

People with your mindset won't be happy unless we win every game 5 nil with 90% possession and the opposition having 0 shots.

So tedious to have people get on McKenna's back and start whining about how we have massive issues every time we don't get a blowout victory.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 11:34 - Oct 30 with 1693 viewsSawtrich

There's no doubt yesterday was a kick in the teeth but it might just be the game that gets us promotion. None of us will forget it in a hurry and you can be sure the players and staff won't either. 'Remember Charlton' will be the mantra when we take the lead late on.

I know everyone sees things from their own point of view but I honestly think sometimes people forget we are actually playing against other professional footballers. Charlton will have a team full of good players that are capable of scoring goals. We all pick the bones out of everything we concede while ignoring any mistakes or luck that come our way when we score. We've had a great first third of the season, if we maintain that we'll go up.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 11:39 - Oct 30 with 1682 viewspointofblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 11:31 - Oct 30 by LankHenners

As I said he's sorted out a lot of other things people were crying about so you have to trust he can iron this issue out as well.

People with your mindset won't be happy unless we win every game 5 nil with 90% possession and the opposition having 0 shots.

So tedious to have people get on McKenna's back and start whining about how we have massive issues every time we don't get a blowout victory.


Getting a bit annoyed with every defence being “Oh everyone who criticises expects 5-0 wins all the time”. Of course they (we) don’t. But perhaps there is an expectation that promotion chasing teams do not throw away four 2 goal leads across three games within three months.

The weirdest thing - and maybe this is mindset - but I probably would have been less annoyed if we had lost 3-2 yesterday after being 3-0 down. Yet we still got a point out of yesterday and the other scenario would have led to none.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 11:58 - Oct 30 with 1648 viewsLankHenners

A bit of morning after positivity on 11:39 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

Getting a bit annoyed with every defence being “Oh everyone who criticises expects 5-0 wins all the time”. Of course they (we) don’t. But perhaps there is an expectation that promotion chasing teams do not throw away four 2 goal leads across three games within three months.

The weirdest thing - and maybe this is mindset - but I probably would have been less annoyed if we had lost 3-2 yesterday after being 3-0 down. Yet we still got a point out of yesterday and the other scenario would have led to none.
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You have something to criticise after every game, always on here after a draw or loss complaining about something or other, not hard to work out why people think you want the moon on a stick. No-one's on here defending the losing of leads but if you look at the full picture it's not nearly as big an issue as some are trying to make out.

It is weird to think that losing is better than drawing, yes.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 12:07 - Oct 30 with 1630 viewspointofblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 11:58 - Oct 30 by LankHenners

You have something to criticise after every game, always on here after a draw or loss complaining about something or other, not hard to work out why people think you want the moon on a stick. No-one's on here defending the losing of leads but if you look at the full picture it's not nearly as big an issue as some are trying to make out.

It is weird to think that losing is better than drawing, yes.


Yet I wasn’t so much in the McCarthy days - or at least didn’t feel like it. Because we had our limitations and we had to work through them. We were not the favourites so draws and defeats were more expected, and had to be dealt with. Also, in my defence, I come on here after a win and the place is like a ghost town with barely any discussion of the game so it’s hard to talk about matches then!

An annoying positive of this season is the only way we seem to drop points is if we beat ourselves. It’s very rare, if at all, that opponents defeat us. And the frustration is we tend to be beaten in the same way, either through individual errors or balls to the far post. The former is part of the game and has to be sucked up (unless someone continually makes errors, a la Maguire at Manchester United) but the latter is a massive bugbear as it’s something we’ve had issues with for a while yet haven’t found an answer for. Yesterday was a massive mixture of the two.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 08:22 - Oct 30 by JakeITFC

It was also a pretty brilliant away day, celebrations the like of which we haven’t had in a good while.

Freak game, very undeserved for Charlton to get back into it but we’ll be absolutely fine.


Is it a freak game if we’ve given away four 2 goal leads in six weeks?
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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:07 - Oct 30 with 1554 viewsbobbyramsey

A bit of morning after positivity on 12:42 - Oct 30 by nrb1985

Is it a freak game if we’ve given away four 2 goal leads in six weeks?


These so-called "freak games" that everybody mentions are happening far too often. Freaks happen maybe once a season not every other week. Lincoln was a "freak" if I remember rightly, so was Sheff Weds etc, etc.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:17 - Oct 30 with 1542 viewspatrickswell

It's also the second successive match in which we've put 4 goals past Charlton after drawing blanks against them in our three previous matches.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 12:42 - Oct 30 by nrb1985

Is it a freak game if we’ve given away four 2 goal leads in six weeks?


We have picked up 5 points in the 3 away games you talk about, that’s a return everyone would have taken

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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:24 - Oct 30 with 1525 viewspointofblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 13:22 - Oct 30 by itfcjoe

We have picked up 5 points in the 3 away games you talk about, that’s a return everyone would have taken


At kick off, maybe, but not the way the game turned out.

It's opposite to being 3-0 down at home to a mid table side and coming back to 3-3 when in the hunt for top spot. You take the point as it's a great comeback, but at the start of the day you'd expect three.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:30 - Oct 30 with 1510 viewspatrickswell

A bit of morning after positivity on 10:46 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

Is there any evidence McKenna is able to sort it out?

2-0 lead thrown away against Wednesday
2-0 lead thrown away against Port Vale
2-0 and 4-2 leads thrown away against Charlton

At what point do we learn our lesson as we haven’t yet.


That's still 5 points taken from 3 away games though, and both Vale and Charlton had plenty of time after getting back to 2-2 to go on and win the games but they didn't. A lot of that has to be down to us and good things we're doing.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:38 - Oct 30 with 1487 viewsnrb1985

A bit of morning after positivity on 13:24 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

At kick off, maybe, but not the way the game turned out.

It's opposite to being 3-0 down at home to a mid table side and coming back to 3-3 when in the hunt for top spot. You take the point as it's a great comeback, but at the start of the day you'd expect three.


Totally agree.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:47 - Oct 30 with 1465 viewsFrimleyBlue

A bit of morning after positivity on 13:24 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

At kick off, maybe, but not the way the game turned out.

It's opposite to being 3-0 down at home to a mid table side and coming back to 3-3 when in the hunt for top spot. You take the point as it's a great comeback, but at the start of the day you'd expect three.


I'm surprised so many are just using the 2nd place as a reason to ignore any weaknesses.


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Us letting leads go is an abcess. We are getting by despite it happening alot. But at some point it's gonna hurt us.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 13:53 - Oct 30 with 1458 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

A bit of morning after positivity on 09:08 - Oct 30 by LankHenners

What he's doing is working because we're 2nd having scored more goals than anyone else with the joint best GD and miles ahead of 7th.

We've had two games this week where we've surrendered leads (but have shown we can retake them) and you have to go back over a month to Sheff Weds which was the last time we gave up 2 goals. The only other games you can say we let teams back in it on the face of it are Plymouth and Barnsley but the former beat us fair and square with two screamers after we failed to take our chances at 1-0 and the latter was a ref horror show at the end of the day.

All teams will throw leads away, Plymouth and Wednesday have both done that in the last couple of weeks in games they'll feel they really should have won. The idea we're regularly chucking points down the drain is reactionary boll0cks.

If we have a weakness atm then it is teams lumping balls and crosses into the box but other areas people were complaining we were poor at (scoring from set pieces, scoring different types of goals, attacking in more areas than just the right hand side) have been worked on and problems pretty much solved.


Spot on. People are in danger of over-analysing what was a freak, once in a decade or two, game. As you say, we have the joint best goal difference, so we're doing something right in the scoring/defending stakes.

And I'd rather be giving up leads occasionally than not having them in the first place!

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A bit of morning after positivity on 14:12 - Oct 30 with 1436 viewsSteve_M

Yes, on reflection, I think that’s broadly the case. I’m still incredibly frustrated at the number of errors we made yesterday, it turned an excellent away day into an incredibly frustrating one.

It was freakish to lose so much control of the game but will clearly also work on defending balls into the box a lot this week. I still think it was the decision making that cost us most, Harness for the second and Morsy for the fourth in particular. That foul on Edmunds ahead of their first goal was critical too, hard to see how the linesman missed that.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 14:26 - Oct 30 with 1419 viewsNthsuffolkblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 13:30 - Oct 30 by patrickswell

That's still 5 points taken from 3 away games though, and both Vale and Charlton had plenty of time after getting back to 2-2 to go on and win the games but they didn't. A lot of that has to be down to us and good things we're doing.


It is a mental/tactical weakness to have let the lead slip. It is a mental and tactical strength to come back again and win (Port Vale, Portsmouth), rebuild the lead (Charlton, Portsmouth) and to not concede the winner (Port Vale, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth and Charlton). We have a little bit of a problem, but it is to be balanced against much we are doing right. Last season we were losing these matches once we lost the momentum. This season we are winning or drawing them.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 14:34 - Oct 30 with 1405 viewsJakeITFC

A bit of morning after positivity on 12:42 - Oct 30 by nrb1985

Is it a freak game if we’ve given away four 2 goal leads in six weeks?


I can’t remember being at a game that’s had four goals in injury time, so yes I’d say it’s a bit freakish.

Worth noting that in two of those four occasions we have recovered to take the lead after (when we’ve had time to get control back in the game) so it’s clearly not a terminal problem.

We’ve uncovered a weakness in that we are bit panicky and maybe a bit too gung ho once we concede a goal, I think that’s probably what I’d take from the last few games, but I think ultimately it’s not a case of needing to defend better but to just be more determined in keeping to plan A because we have looked in complete control against pretty much every team in the league.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 15:05 - Oct 30 with 1371 viewsNthsuffolkblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 14:34 - Oct 30 by JakeITFC

I can’t remember being at a game that’s had four goals in injury time, so yes I’d say it’s a bit freakish.

Worth noting that in two of those four occasions we have recovered to take the lead after (when we’ve had time to get control back in the game) so it’s clearly not a terminal problem.

We’ve uncovered a weakness in that we are bit panicky and maybe a bit too gung ho once we concede a goal, I think that’s probably what I’d take from the last few games, but I think ultimately it’s not a case of needing to defend better but to just be more determined in keeping to plan A because we have looked in complete control against pretty much every team in the league.


I make it that we have taken the lead 20 times in league matches this season. It is more likely to concede that lead than when we didn't ever hold it. I think we have been pegged back from leading 9 times (4 of those in 2 matches where we took 4 points from 6 available).

I think we have only gone behind 3 times in league matches this season.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 14:34 - Oct 30 by JakeITFC

I can’t remember being at a game that’s had four goals in injury time, so yes I’d say it’s a bit freakish.

Worth noting that in two of those four occasions we have recovered to take the lead after (when we’ve had time to get control back in the game) so it’s clearly not a terminal problem.

We’ve uncovered a weakness in that we are bit panicky and maybe a bit too gung ho once we concede a goal, I think that’s probably what I’d take from the last few games, but I think ultimately it’s not a case of needing to defend better but to just be more determined in keeping to plan A because we have looked in complete control against pretty much every team in the league.


Mmm can’t agree.

We conceded a goal one minute before HT and one min after HT vs. Port Vale, so this type of sequencing happened only on Tuesday.

And we Defintely need to defend set pieces much better than we do. This has nothing to do with sticking to plan A.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 15:05 - Oct 30 by Nthsuffolkblue

I make it that we have taken the lead 20 times in league matches this season. It is more likely to concede that lead than when we didn't ever hold it. I think we have been pegged back from leading 9 times (4 of those in 2 matches where we took 4 points from 6 available).

I think we have only gone behind 3 times in league matches this season.


If I've read this right, we've took the lead twenty times and have then been pegged back afterwards in nearly half of those?

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A bit of morning after positivity on 16:39 - Oct 30 with 1272 viewsNthsuffolkblue

A bit of morning after positivity on 16:04 - Oct 30 by pointofblue

If I've read this right, we've took the lead twenty times and have then been pegged back afterwards in nearly half of those?


A total of 20 times in 17 matches and have won 11 of those and drawn 4 (one of those by coming from behind). If we had won each of the matches that we have taken the lead in, we would have 9 more points than we currently have (which is par for the rest of the top four).

I would be far more worried if we weren't taking the lead so often. Sometimes teams will concede. Our defence was fantastic earlier in the season. Not so a bit more recently. Hopefully it will improve again with the return of Burgess and once Evans and Aluko are fit again too. More time to work on the training pitch this month should help too.

If we are dropping points due to throwing away leads in multiple matches into December and January, then it will become a concern.

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A bit of morning after positivity on 16:49 - Oct 30 with 1265 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

A bit of morning after positivity on 08:22 - Oct 30 by JakeITFC

It was also a pretty brilliant away day, celebrations the like of which we haven’t had in a good while.

Freak game, very undeserved for Charlton to get back into it but we’ll be absolutely fine.


Surely that made it even more gut wrenching after the celebrations. Ipswich are about the only team that could manage to pull that off. The standing around watching the ball go in for their third was embarrassing. My concern is we are absolutely dominating teams but still dropping points or just nicking the win. Multiple examples this season so I don't think it's as freak as some are saying.

That all said I think we will finish second.
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A bit of morning after positivity on 09:18 - Oct 30 by davblue

We aren’t going to be perfect all season and there will be different parts of our game that aren’t at their best during parts of the season.

I think he’s shown he’s a problem solver so far, corners we were weak on now we are better, we are also in league 1, players aren’t going to be perfect in everything that they do that’s the reality of where we are.


I can’t see what Frimmers is saying - but I’ll through this in anyway! We’re a third division team with players fit for this league and probably the team above. That means they are not the very best and will make mistakes more often than those in the league above and especially the Prem. I think that sometimes we expect div 3 players to be as consistent as Prem players. It ain’t gonna happen!

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