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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 21:05 - Apr 2 by Mullet
Lammy is the only non Tory in the top earners from 2nd jobs due his radio show I believe.
Media work suggest some degree of competence needed, whereas the crooks dong consultancy are merely 'insider trading', passing on what would be thought confidential information
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 22:24 - Apr 2 with 2188 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 21:57 - Apr 2 by HARRY10
Media work suggest some degree of competence needed, whereas the crooks dong consultancy are merely 'insider trading', passing on what would be thought confidential information
Rees-Mogg, Dorries and 30p all do media work. I suspect the degree of competencey required isn't over high.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner - no MP should have a second job. They either want to represent a constituency, possibly obtain high office or they don’t.
If they are worried about getting another job or their own job back when they’re booted out, don’t stand as an MP. I have lost track of what they are paid, but the rate should reflect the responsibility they hold. If it’s not enough for them, go away.
I’d also make it compulsory for somebody to have had a real job and worked in the real world for a minimum ten years. Having people like that entitled toerag Oliver Dowden in the HoC deciding on stuff that affects our daily lives when he doesn’t know a job from a jockstrap is wrong. Boot licking and grovelling around as a party flunky before becoming an MP is not a qualification.
I’d also beef up rules around acceptable standards to mirror those of the real world including expenses, bullying, ogling porn in the House, cash for favours (bribes) etc. there would be no second chances, no acceptance of ‘oh it was a mistake’. Instant dismissal. That’d include behaviour outside work.
Sorted.
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:05 - Apr 3 with 1970 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:28 - Apr 3 by Churchman
I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner - no MP should have a second job. They either want to represent a constituency, possibly obtain high office or they don’t.
If they are worried about getting another job or their own job back when they’re booted out, don’t stand as an MP. I have lost track of what they are paid, but the rate should reflect the responsibility they hold. If it’s not enough for them, go away.
I’d also make it compulsory for somebody to have had a real job and worked in the real world for a minimum ten years. Having people like that entitled toerag Oliver Dowden in the HoC deciding on stuff that affects our daily lives when he doesn’t know a job from a jockstrap is wrong. Boot licking and grovelling around as a party flunky before becoming an MP is not a qualification.
I’d also beef up rules around acceptable standards to mirror those of the real world including expenses, bullying, ogling porn in the House, cash for favours (bribes) etc. there would be no second chances, no acceptance of ‘oh it was a mistake’. Instant dismissal. That’d include behaviour outside work.
Sorted.
The only thing I think could possibly be allowed is NHS work.
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:05 - Apr 3 by DanTheMan
The only thing I think could possibly be allowed is NHS work.
If you mean as a second job, no. Not even that. If you want to be a MP, it’s a full time job. What I would do is of course guarantee to re-employ the person in the NHS after their service as an MP ends.
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:09 - Apr 3 by Churchman
If you mean as a second job, no. Not even that. If you want to be a MP, it’s a full time job. What I would do is of course guarantee to re-employ the person in the NHS after their service as an MP ends.
But there's the thing.
Aren't their some jobs which require one to continue to work in order to maintain one's professional registration? I'm thinking of nursing (and those ITK may well be able to add to that list).
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:35 - Apr 3 by You_Bloo_Right
But there's the thing.
Aren't their some jobs which require one to continue to work in order to maintain one's professional registration? I'm thinking of nursing (and those ITK may well be able to add to that list).
A short Return To Nursing course is required, so no big problem for a nurse who wishes to take a break.
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:28 - Apr 3 by Churchman
I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner - no MP should have a second job. They either want to represent a constituency, possibly obtain high office or they don’t.
If they are worried about getting another job or their own job back when they’re booted out, don’t stand as an MP. I have lost track of what they are paid, but the rate should reflect the responsibility they hold. If it’s not enough for them, go away.
I’d also make it compulsory for somebody to have had a real job and worked in the real world for a minimum ten years. Having people like that entitled toerag Oliver Dowden in the HoC deciding on stuff that affects our daily lives when he doesn’t know a job from a jockstrap is wrong. Boot licking and grovelling around as a party flunky before becoming an MP is not a qualification.
I’d also beef up rules around acceptable standards to mirror those of the real world including expenses, bullying, ogling porn in the House, cash for favours (bribes) etc. there would be no second chances, no acceptance of ‘oh it was a mistake’. Instant dismissal. That’d include behaviour outside work.
Sorted.
I haven’t really given 2nd jobs much thought but I suppose yes, I guess they probably should only have one job …..
…….however I think MPs pay would need to be more realistic.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:28 - Apr 3 by Churchman
I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner - no MP should have a second job. They either want to represent a constituency, possibly obtain high office or they don’t.
If they are worried about getting another job or their own job back when they’re booted out, don’t stand as an MP. I have lost track of what they are paid, but the rate should reflect the responsibility they hold. If it’s not enough for them, go away.
I’d also make it compulsory for somebody to have had a real job and worked in the real world for a minimum ten years. Having people like that entitled toerag Oliver Dowden in the HoC deciding on stuff that affects our daily lives when he doesn’t know a job from a jockstrap is wrong. Boot licking and grovelling around as a party flunky before becoming an MP is not a qualification.
I’d also beef up rules around acceptable standards to mirror those of the real world including expenses, bullying, ogling porn in the House, cash for favours (bribes) etc. there would be no second chances, no acceptance of ‘oh it was a mistake’. Instant dismissal. That’d include behaviour outside work.
Sorted.
Being in the Government is literally a second job.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
I notice that Lammy and Starmer are saying that parliament should decide re:second jobs. In other words, 2nd jobs will of course be allowed and there’ll be precious few restrictions.
Politicians and their advisors want to get paid for their services and access to power while pocketing salaries and expenses for their actual job – that pretty much defines their careers and their industry.
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 10:30 - Apr 3 with 1708 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 10:12 - Apr 3 by noggin
"Besides which surely you want people who aren’t motivated by making money, and actually are doing it for the betterment of society?"
Like NHS workers, and apparently they don't deserve a pay increase.
NHS workers have been awarded a pay increase.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
"I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner"
I do, as do others who raise this subject. It can be thought that what an MP does in their free time is their business, as with others.
However it should be grasped that when an MP, with no previous knowledge of an area, is approached to work as a consultant they are being hired for what they can offer as an MP - insider knowledge. Everyone knows of the accusations of 'brown envelopes' being handed to local councillors, but not MPs doing the same.
MPs have access to privilege information, if only via asking a question in the house. Footballers jockeys etc are not allowed to bet on their sports. So why should MPs be able to earn fat fees for passing on confidential information ?
Likewise unless necessary to retain membership of medical qualifications, no work should be undertaken during office hours. No flying around the globe earning either.
It comes down to whether the MP is entering Parliament to help others. or help themselves.
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:14 - Apr 3 with 1547 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 12:59 - Apr 3 by HARRY10
"I don’t care whether the part time job is nuclear physicist or public bog cleaner"
I do, as do others who raise this subject. It can be thought that what an MP does in their free time is their business, as with others.
However it should be grasped that when an MP, with no previous knowledge of an area, is approached to work as a consultant they are being hired for what they can offer as an MP - insider knowledge. Everyone knows of the accusations of 'brown envelopes' being handed to local councillors, but not MPs doing the same.
MPs have access to privilege information, if only via asking a question in the house. Footballers jockeys etc are not allowed to bet on their sports. So why should MPs be able to earn fat fees for passing on confidential information ?
Likewise unless necessary to retain membership of medical qualifications, no work should be undertaken during office hours. No flying around the globe earning either.
It comes down to whether the MP is entering Parliament to help others. or help themselves.
It’s simple. If you are an MP, no second job. That was my point. There are plenty of workarounds if there’s a question of a qualifications lapsing. If there isn’t, make a choice. Representing a constituency should be full time, not something slipped in alongside something else.
What they do in their free time is certainly not entirely their business. For example - An acquaintance of mine was treasurer of a rugby club in his spare time. Nothing to do with his full time job. He pinched a lump of the rugby club money and wound up in court and the papers - and lost his job. Rightly so.
MPs passing on information, cash for questions, anything like that: instant dismissal under my rules. The whole idea is to serve the people. If you’re not interested in that, don’t apply.
How much should they be paid? I don’t know. But their work carries serious responsibility and they should be paid accordingly.
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:26 - Apr 3 with 1517 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:14 - Apr 3 by Churchman
It’s simple. If you are an MP, no second job. That was my point. There are plenty of workarounds if there’s a question of a qualifications lapsing. If there isn’t, make a choice. Representing a constituency should be full time, not something slipped in alongside something else.
What they do in their free time is certainly not entirely their business. For example - An acquaintance of mine was treasurer of a rugby club in his spare time. Nothing to do with his full time job. He pinched a lump of the rugby club money and wound up in court and the papers - and lost his job. Rightly so.
MPs passing on information, cash for questions, anything like that: instant dismissal under my rules. The whole idea is to serve the people. If you’re not interested in that, don’t apply.
How much should they be paid? I don’t know. But their work carries serious responsibility and they should be paid accordingly.
So who’s going to run the country?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:14 - Apr 3 by Churchman
It’s simple. If you are an MP, no second job. That was my point. There are plenty of workarounds if there’s a question of a qualifications lapsing. If there isn’t, make a choice. Representing a constituency should be full time, not something slipped in alongside something else.
What they do in their free time is certainly not entirely their business. For example - An acquaintance of mine was treasurer of a rugby club in his spare time. Nothing to do with his full time job. He pinched a lump of the rugby club money and wound up in court and the papers - and lost his job. Rightly so.
MPs passing on information, cash for questions, anything like that: instant dismissal under my rules. The whole idea is to serve the people. If you’re not interested in that, don’t apply.
How much should they be paid? I don’t know. But their work carries serious responsibility and they should be paid accordingly.
It is not as simple as that, as you suggest an MP does not have any free time.
The problem is not one of having a second job, or what they might earn through it. Should an MP forbidden from painting portraits on a Sunday and earning a healthy payment ?
No, it is as I said, one of using privileged information to make money. One that seems to be universally the domain of Tory MPs. And when caught a corrupt PM and an incompetent MP tried to change the rules to block his removal - Owen Paterson.
It is the mindset, or intent, of the MP that needs to be changed. Blatant liars such as Johnson should not have been tolerated. He should have been challenged by the speaker on every occasion.
However simply banning consultancy will not stop it, it will merely drive it further underground - but with far harsher sentences for this Tory 'perk' it would go some way to curtailing it
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:46 - Apr 3 with 1484 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 09:52 - Apr 3 by noggin
I reckon if you factor in all the perks and expenses, they're living very comfortably. Maybe increase their salary but stop all expense claims.
That is utterly absurd, as it would penalise MPs living outside of London. What would be the cost to an MP representing a Highlands constituency to that of an inner London MP.
Would a building firm be able to send its contractors to a job a couple of hundred mile away, for the same wages as those working locally (no expenses) ?
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David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 16:54 - Apr 3 with 1408 views
David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 14:46 - Apr 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna
Civil servants - as is the case now.
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They don’t run the country. They implement policy, challenge, scope and cost it, unless Truss is in charge where the politicians insist just implement, no work required. They don’t have second jobs either. Nor can you have a second job if you work for a bank (you certainly couldn’t 25 years ago).
If the job of an MP is part time, they’re not working hard enough. Get them out.
I’m painting quite an abstract picture here but the quality of those representing the people is abject. A friend of mine went to see the honchos responsible for parliamentary standards in connection with a certain well publicised disgraced minister a while back.
He was told (paraphrase) ‘look, you have to understand that all MPs are naughty children. They will look to take what they can, where and when they can and it’s our job to try and limit it’. If this is for real, and evidence in the public arena says it is, that cannot be right. It was unacceptable for me to do that in the private and public sectors. Why is it ok for them? It isn’t. It’s wrong.
Like so much in this country there has to be a reset.
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