| They found 18%? on 13:58 - Jun 22 with 2483 views | xrayspecs |
Yet only 29% who believed it had gone badly. Over half said too early to tell or saw it neither a positive nor a negative.
We left the EU 3.5 years ago. Two months after we left we entered a global pandemic and more recently war in Europe, both of which have distracted politicians and created seismic shocks to the economy.
We may not have a better idea of how well or not this has worked until toward the end of this decade. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:02]
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| They found 18%? on 14:07 - Jun 22 with 2443 views | Freddies_Ears |
| They found 18%? on 13:58 - Jun 22 by xrayspecs |
Yet only 29% who believed it had gone badly. Over half said too early to tell or saw it neither a positive nor a negative.
We left the EU 3.5 years ago. Two months after we left we entered a global pandemic and more recently war in Europe, both of which have distracted politicians and created seismic shocks to the economy.
We may not have a better idea of how well or not this has worked until toward the end of this decade. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:02]
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Or to rephrase, we know it has been a disaster, but we don't yet know quite how disastrous it has been.
One consequence I didn't expect was a massive rise in immigration. | | | |
| They found 18%? on 14:13 - Jun 22 with 2423 views | MattinLondon |
| They found 18%? on 14:07 - Jun 22 by Freddies_Ears |
Or to rephrase, we know it has been a disaster, but we don't yet know quite how disastrous it has been.
One consequence I didn't expect was a massive rise in immigration. |
I think that most leave voters know that it’s gone badly but don’t wish to lose face so won’t admit it to even themselves. |  | | |
| They found 18%? on 14:16 - Jun 22 with 2418 views | Herbivore |
| They found 18%? on 13:58 - Jun 22 by xrayspecs |
Yet only 29% who believed it had gone badly. Over half said too early to tell or saw it neither a positive nor a negative.
We left the EU 3.5 years ago. Two months after we left we entered a global pandemic and more recently war in Europe, both of which have distracted politicians and created seismic shocks to the economy.
We may not have a better idea of how well or not this has worked until toward the end of this decade. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:02]
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I guess if you ignore all the problems that we've seen that have nothing to do with global factors and everything to do with Brexit, then sure, we just need to wait and see whether it's actually been a roaring success. |  |
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| They found 18%? on 14:19 - Jun 22 with 2403 views | ElderGrizzly |
| They found 18%? on 14:16 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
I guess if you ignore all the problems that we've seen that have nothing to do with global factors and everything to do with Brexit, then sure, we just need to wait and see whether it's actually been a roaring success. |
Interest rates for example
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| They found 18%? on 14:36 - Jun 22 with 2370 views | BlueBadger |
| They found 18%? on 14:13 - Jun 22 by MattinLondon |
I think that most leave voters know that it’s gone badly but don’t wish to lose face so won’t admit it to even themselves. |
No-one likes admitting being conned by con men so obvious that even your average nan on Facebook could have spotted them. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:45]
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| They found 18%? on 14:44 - Jun 22 with 2336 views | BlueNomad |
| They found 18%? on 13:58 - Jun 22 by xrayspecs |
Yet only 29% who believed it had gone badly. Over half said too early to tell or saw it neither a positive nor a negative.
We left the EU 3.5 years ago. Two months after we left we entered a global pandemic and more recently war in Europe, both of which have distracted politicians and created seismic shocks to the economy.
We may not have a better idea of how well or not this has worked until toward the end of this decade. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:02]
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Well, according to Rees-Mogg's estimate we will know in 46.5 years time! |  | | |
| They found 18%? on 14:46 - Jun 22 with 2334 views | Ryorry |
What those stats basically tell us is that approx 74% of 'leavers' had very little brain in 2016, & either haven't acquired any new brain cells since, or any backbone to admit they got it wrong. |  |
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| They found 18%? on 14:54 - Jun 22 with 2311 views | BlueBadger |
| They found 18%? on 14:46 - Jun 22 by Ryorry |
What those stats basically tell us is that approx 74% of 'leavers' had very little brain in 2016, & either haven't acquired any new brain cells since, or any backbone to admit they got it wrong. |
They had Very Real concerns though! | |
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| They found 18%? on 16:11 - Jun 22 with 2216 views | HARRY10 |
A better measutre would be to ask leavers what they know, and kew. of the EU. Multiple choice questions would suffice.
From my experience the average brexiter knows as much about the EU as I do about Gloucestershires 2nd X1 crickets averages 1950-52.
An example. I spoke with someone I went to school with way back at the Coronation. First time in decades. He went to uni very good job.
Not only did he not know what the EU Parliament, Commission or Council did. He did not know the latter two existed. The Lords was there to 'muck about' with laws already passed. They were written by the government.....and 'handed down'. The lower house did much as the Lords. Tried to re-write already handed down laws.
UK laws have to be approved by the EU. Our food and safety standards are held lower, as they had to comply with EU laws. This is just some of the nonsense I can remember.
However, it begs the question. Was this ignorance always there along with the hatred. Was it caused directly by Farage et al. or did his sort just play on the paranoia of righties who had been fed these lies for more than 40 decades ?
Once a progressive government is elected and with the huge majority from the Libs, the SNP, Plaid Cymru etc simple rescind brexit and begin the process of rejoining.. Any vote to the house will have unanimous support, so brexiters can fck of our bleat about a democratic vote. This time NOT an advisory vote, but a mandatory one. | | | |
| They found 18%? on 16:50 - Jun 22 with 2184 views | mutters |
| They found 18%? on 13:58 - Jun 22 by xrayspecs |
Yet only 29% who believed it had gone badly. Over half said too early to tell or saw it neither a positive nor a negative.
We left the EU 3.5 years ago. Two months after we left we entered a global pandemic and more recently war in Europe, both of which have distracted politicians and created seismic shocks to the economy.
We may not have a better idea of how well or not this has worked until toward the end of this decade. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 14:02]
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It is too early to say whether it was a good idea or not to be honest. These things take decades to settle down
Early indicators are that it's not gone to plan however as you said we've had COVID/Ukrainian war to deal with so that will have had an impact.
It'll be down to successive governments to make sure it's a success, whoever they may be |  |
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| They found 18%? on 17:00 - Jun 22 with 2168 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They found 18%? on 16:50 - Jun 22 by mutters |
It is too early to say whether it was a good idea or not to be honest. These things take decades to settle down
Early indicators are that it's not gone to plan however as you said we've had COVID/Ukrainian war to deal with so that will have had an impact.
It'll be down to successive governments to make sure it's a success, whoever they may be |
It was a stupid idea then, it’s a stupid idea now and it’ll be a stupid idea next year or in 10 years time. It was never aimed at improving any of our lives; only a way to make more money for some already rich and a Trojan horse for a bunch of charlatans looking to climb the greasy politics pole.
The damage can be ameliorated if there was a different approach to our relationship with the EU, but that doesn’t look like happening any time soon. |  |
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| They found 18%? on 17:11 - Jun 22 with 2145 views | mutters |
| They found 18%? on 17:00 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue |
It was a stupid idea then, it’s a stupid idea now and it’ll be a stupid idea next year or in 10 years time. It was never aimed at improving any of our lives; only a way to make more money for some already rich and a Trojan horse for a bunch of charlatans looking to climb the greasy politics pole.
The damage can be ameliorated if there was a different approach to our relationship with the EU, but that doesn’t look like happening any time soon. |
I completely agree it was an absolute idiotic idea to leave. However life does sometimes take a funny turn when you least expect it.
Just because we've left doesn't mean it can't be some sort of success. I'd hate to see the UK fail just to prove some sort of point that it was a terrible idea to leave. This is the situation we find ourselves in, we've just got to make the most of it and see what happens | |
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| They found 18%? on 17:29 - Jun 22 with 2123 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| They found 18%? on 16:50 - Jun 22 by mutters |
It is too early to say whether it was a good idea or not to be honest. These things take decades to settle down
Early indicators are that it's not gone to plan however as you said we've had COVID/Ukrainian war to deal with so that will have had an impact.
It'll be down to successive governments to make sure it's a success, whoever they may be |
"Early indicators are that it's not gone to plan."
How can something go to plan-
WHEN THERE WAS NO FARKING PLAN!!! | | | |
| They found 18%? on 18:19 - Jun 22 with 2084 views | factual_blue |
| They found 18%? on 14:54 - Jun 22 by BlueBadger |
They had Very Real concerns though! |
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| They found 18%? on 18:29 - Jun 22 with 2071 views | jaykay |
one of the main reasons given by leavers was we can have sovereign powers in parliament.
then they tried to suspend parliament |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| They found 18%? on 18:52 - Jun 22 with 2047 views | BlueBadger |
| They found 18%? on 17:11 - Jun 22 by mutters |
I completely agree it was an absolute idiotic idea to leave. However life does sometimes take a funny turn when you least expect it.
Just because we've left doesn't mean it can't be some sort of success. I'd hate to see the UK fail just to prove some sort of point that it was a terrible idea to leave. This is the situation we find ourselves in, we've just got to make the most of it and see what happens |
As with posting on TWTD there are no 'winners' in Brexiting. Bt some losers are bigger than others. | |
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| They found 18%? on 18:56 - Jun 22 with 2046 views | Herbivore |
| They found 18%? on 17:11 - Jun 22 by mutters |
I completely agree it was an absolute idiotic idea to leave. However life does sometimes take a funny turn when you least expect it.
Just because we've left doesn't mean it can't be some sort of success. I'd hate to see the UK fail just to prove some sort of point that it was a terrible idea to leave. This is the situation we find ourselves in, we've just got to make the most of it and see what happens |
The idea that it might work out okay because "life does sometimes take a funny turn" is rather a bizarre justification for suggesting we don't know it was a bad idea. All the evidence so far and all forecasts suggest that it was a terrible idea. To think that it might pan out well in the end requires some articulation of how that might end up being the case. What are the as yet unrealised benefits that in the long term will make this a positive move? What's the pathway to making us better off out of the EU than in it? Hoping for as yet unforeseen circumstances to just happen to materialise isn't an argument that we don't know yet that it's a car crash. | |
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| They found 18%? on 19:47 - Jun 22 with 1997 views | HARRY10 |
| They found 18%? on 16:50 - Jun 22 by mutters |
It is too early to say whether it was a good idea or not to be honest. These things take decades to settle down
Early indicators are that it's not gone to plan however as you said we've had COVID/Ukrainian war to deal with so that will have had an impact.
It'll be down to successive governments to make sure it's a success, whoever they may be |
It is 'noo too early'. It was a loe then, just as it is now. that is why 69 of tge 72 new deals have merely been rollover of EU deals ie the UK still trades under EU schedules
Other xountries producers are geared up to producxing what is agreed with the EU. The idea that they would mke a special exemption for te UK was utterly absurd, as has been shown. You didn't have to be any expert on trade to know that.
the delusion was that somehow the UK could overturn all that and lower standards, supposedly making the UK more competitive. Look back at what that halfwit Truss was spouting. So, as known, the UK is still selling goods to the EU, but now with added costs - as the UK does not have the benefit of unfettered export as before.
'Not gone to plan' ? There never was any plan, just an idiotic view that if we all shut our eyes and just believed, magical things would happen. Brexiteers have now opened their eyes and grasped that it was all a scam. Peddled, as some have said, to further political careers. or to return the 'favour' from Putin for the money he put up, or simply to have the UK a less regulated country.
Free from pesky work and environmental standards and protections. The latter now seen in the amount of untreated sewage being dumped in the river and sea.
There have been NO benefits, only the downsides - that were warned about. I expect the UK to be back part of the EU much sooner than many imagine. Meanwhile there needs to be some form of educating to get these silly brexit ideas out of peoples heads. - as it is clear brexiters have not the slightest idea how most things actually work. | | | |
| They found 18%? on 19:48 - Jun 22 with 2001 views | mutters |
| They found 18%? on 18:56 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
The idea that it might work out okay because "life does sometimes take a funny turn" is rather a bizarre justification for suggesting we don't know it was a bad idea. All the evidence so far and all forecasts suggest that it was a terrible idea. To think that it might pan out well in the end requires some articulation of how that might end up being the case. What are the as yet unrealised benefits that in the long term will make this a positive move? What's the pathway to making us better off out of the EU than in it? Hoping for as yet unforeseen circumstances to just happen to materialise isn't an argument that we don't know yet that it's a car crash. |
Who knows what's going to happen in the future. Maybe the EU implodes, maybe the UK (with a different government) manage to forge forward and make some great deals that otherwise wouldn't have been possible if still in the EU. Simple answer is that there are so many Macro events that could impact the future we just don't know. Only a longer term view will give us this answer.
I was repeatedly told that investing in Bitcoin in 2018 was a stupid idea because it had just crashed. Likewise buying a house in 2002 was a bad decision because the market was too hot already. In time the common perception was proved to be wrong.
Nobody knows the future because life is bonkers at time. It takes unexpected turns and twists. All i am saying is that people writing off the UKs future is taking a very short term view. I never wanted to leave the EU but it feels sometimes people want the UK to fail so they say "ooooh I told you that leaving was a bad idea".
Maybe I am too much of a half glass full person. Yes leaving imo was a crazy idea but we cant let it stop us from making and having a strong future. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 19:52]
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| They found 18%? on 19:54 - Jun 22 with 1988 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| They found 18%? on 19:48 - Jun 22 by mutters |
Who knows what's going to happen in the future. Maybe the EU implodes, maybe the UK (with a different government) manage to forge forward and make some great deals that otherwise wouldn't have been possible if still in the EU. Simple answer is that there are so many Macro events that could impact the future we just don't know. Only a longer term view will give us this answer.
I was repeatedly told that investing in Bitcoin in 2018 was a stupid idea because it had just crashed. Likewise buying a house in 2002 was a bad decision because the market was too hot already. In time the common perception was proved to be wrong.
Nobody knows the future because life is bonkers at time. It takes unexpected turns and twists. All i am saying is that people writing off the UKs future is taking a very short term view. I never wanted to leave the EU but it feels sometimes people want the UK to fail so they say "ooooh I told you that leaving was a bad idea".
Maybe I am too much of a half glass full person. Yes leaving imo was a crazy idea but we cant let it stop us from making and having a strong future. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 19:52]
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If unilaterally leaving the EU was to have any benefits they had to be delivered sooner than the 50 years Rees-Mogg was talking about.
What will happen to the country in those intervening years? |  |
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| They found 18%? on 21:00 - Jun 22 with 1932 views | Herbivore |
| They found 18%? on 19:48 - Jun 22 by mutters |
Who knows what's going to happen in the future. Maybe the EU implodes, maybe the UK (with a different government) manage to forge forward and make some great deals that otherwise wouldn't have been possible if still in the EU. Simple answer is that there are so many Macro events that could impact the future we just don't know. Only a longer term view will give us this answer.
I was repeatedly told that investing in Bitcoin in 2018 was a stupid idea because it had just crashed. Likewise buying a house in 2002 was a bad decision because the market was too hot already. In time the common perception was proved to be wrong.
Nobody knows the future because life is bonkers at time. It takes unexpected turns and twists. All i am saying is that people writing off the UKs future is taking a very short term view. I never wanted to leave the EU but it feels sometimes people want the UK to fail so they say "ooooh I told you that leaving was a bad idea".
Maybe I am too much of a half glass full person. Yes leaving imo was a crazy idea but we cant let it stop us from making and having a strong future. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 19:52]
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So blind hope, basically. It's already had a negative impact. Just to get us back to a point where we can say it's had a neutral impact will take some doing. | |
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| They found 18%? on 21:32 - Jun 22 with 1903 views | HARRY10 |
| They found 18%? on 19:48 - Jun 22 by mutters |
Who knows what's going to happen in the future. Maybe the EU implodes, maybe the UK (with a different government) manage to forge forward and make some great deals that otherwise wouldn't have been possible if still in the EU. Simple answer is that there are so many Macro events that could impact the future we just don't know. Only a longer term view will give us this answer.
I was repeatedly told that investing in Bitcoin in 2018 was a stupid idea because it had just crashed. Likewise buying a house in 2002 was a bad decision because the market was too hot already. In time the common perception was proved to be wrong.
Nobody knows the future because life is bonkers at time. It takes unexpected turns and twists. All i am saying is that people writing off the UKs future is taking a very short term view. I never wanted to leave the EU but it feels sometimes people want the UK to fail so they say "ooooh I told you that leaving was a bad idea".
Maybe I am too much of a half glass full person. Yes leaving imo was a crazy idea but we cant let it stop us from making and having a strong future. [Post edited 22 Jun 2023 19:52]
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It's like trying to explain things to someone ho thinks you can speak to the dead.
"make some great deals". Those are not possible. Have you the slightest idea of how trade works ? Why do you think a government spouted this bllox has been unable too secure anything that is better than what we had. The three so far Japan, Aus and NZ all leave the UK worse off. Why has the UK not been able to secure better deals with 'lesser' countries'. Countries of a few million, if that. All 69 of them have obliged the UK to stick with EU schedules, or rules as the brexit thickos call them.
This is NOT about speculating on the future as you so desperately want to spin it, but what is known about trade deals. Stuff that goes back decades if not before 1900. What next ? Under brexit July might come before June.
Trade deals are not like broadband where new one s come along all the time. They are based on agreed standard, volumes and quotas. NO country is going to rip up what they already have to give the UK a 'better deal'. Why would they ?
Of course the liars told you it would be different to what it is. They got your vote. Just like some spiv on Oxford Street with a find the lady game played on a suitcase. It was never more than anything but a con. And nothing that has happened since was not know before the referendim.
Read what the arch brexit George Eustice Ag minster has to say
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/george-eustice-australia-brexit-trade-d | | | |
| They found 18%? on 22:24 - Jun 22 with 1879 views | mutters |
| They found 18%? on 21:32 - Jun 22 by HARRY10 |
It's like trying to explain things to someone ho thinks you can speak to the dead.
"make some great deals". Those are not possible. Have you the slightest idea of how trade works ? Why do you think a government spouted this bllox has been unable too secure anything that is better than what we had. The three so far Japan, Aus and NZ all leave the UK worse off. Why has the UK not been able to secure better deals with 'lesser' countries'. Countries of a few million, if that. All 69 of them have obliged the UK to stick with EU schedules, or rules as the brexit thickos call them.
This is NOT about speculating on the future as you so desperately want to spin it, but what is known about trade deals. Stuff that goes back decades if not before 1900. What next ? Under brexit July might come before June.
Trade deals are not like broadband where new one s come along all the time. They are based on agreed standard, volumes and quotas. NO country is going to rip up what they already have to give the UK a 'better deal'. Why would they ?
Of course the liars told you it would be different to what it is. They got your vote. Just like some spiv on Oxford Street with a find the lady game played on a suitcase. It was never more than anything but a con. And nothing that has happened since was not know before the referendim.
Read what the arch brexit George Eustice Ag minster has to say
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/george-eustice-australia-brexit-trade-d |
Bless you Harry, you are the gift that keeps on giving. You are so desperate to fight people that you never really read what they are saying.
I voted to remain. Having lived and worked extensively across th EU and the world, and having had the advantages that comes with that I am incredibly sad that my daughter won't be able to access this as easily as I did. One of the many reasons why I voted to stay in the EU. I am not one of your Brexit Thickos as you always so elegantly put it. However your narrow-mindedness is breathtaking. How dare somebody have a separate opinion than yours. Harry knows best.
So you are saying that over the next 25 years say it's not going to be possible to make any decent trade agreements across the globe. Do you think so poorly of the UK and it's future representatives that it's never going to happen? Trade deals change all the time.
Brexit has happened, it's blooming cr@p that it has but it certainly doesn't mean that the UK has no future. We sadly have to embrace it, and make the best of it. Who knows it could turn out to be a blessing that we left. Let's reconvene in 25 years and see where we are at? | |
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