| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security 10:24 - Jun 28 with 4385 views | Ryorry |
Overruled the security advice of MI6 & House of Lords vetting
committee & (gasp, surely not) repeatedly lied about having done so.
Excellent docu on C4 last night -
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:26 - Jun 28 with 3188 views | Keno |
It would never surprise in years to come to learn that Boris was actually a Russian sleeper agent |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:28 - Jun 28 with 3158 views | blueasfook |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:26 - Jun 28 by Keno |
It would never surprise in years to come to learn that Boris was actually a Russian sleeper agent |
Boris is a Russian name too. He's a bloody commie |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:37 - Jun 28 with 3122 views | Fixed_It |
For a minute I thought you were talking about Brett. Just when things were going so well... |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:42 - Jun 28 with 3083 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
And someone on here yesterday had the front to say Starmer is MORE of a liar than Johnson. Sadly I don’t think it was even supposed to be satirical.
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 11:45 - Jun 28 with 3002 views | bracknell_blue |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:26 - Jun 28 by Keno |
It would never surprise in years to come to learn that Boris was actually a Russian sleeper agent |
Whether he is an agent or not, Carrie certainly is. |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:08 - Jun 28 with 2924 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:42 - Jun 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
And someone on here yesterday had the front to say Starmer is MORE of a liar than Johnson. Sadly I don’t think it was even supposed to be satirical.
Unbelievable Jeff. |
No, not satirical. A statement of fact. Although I think I said that he’s as much as a liar as Johnson.
Johnson is of course brazen. But Starmer is a serial pledge-breaker and flip-flopper who many are happy to make excuses for or just look the other way. And that’s even without his dishonest approach to how the party is run and how actual left-wingers have been marginalised and smeared by him and his gang.
But just like Brexiteers with their lies, the “centrists” are happy if the lies are about the left or will usher in centre-right policies. |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:10 - Jun 28 with 2903 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:08 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
No, not satirical. A statement of fact. Although I think I said that he’s as much as a liar as Johnson.
Johnson is of course brazen. But Starmer is a serial pledge-breaker and flip-flopper who many are happy to make excuses for or just look the other way. And that’s even without his dishonest approach to how the party is run and how actual left-wingers have been marginalised and smeared by him and his gang.
But just like Brexiteers with their lies, the “centrists” are happy if the lies are about the left or will usher in centre-right policies. |
Are you really giving equivalence to Johnson lying about matters of national security, and Starmer reneging on a few vague pledges made to appease the Cultists?
You need a reality check mate. | | | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:14 - Jun 28 with 2882 views | BlueBadger |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 10:26 - Jun 28 by Keno |
It would never surprise in years to come to learn that Boris was actually a Russian sleeper agent |
I've no idea why someone as homophobic, corrupt and criminally inclined as Boris would be keen on taking money from Putin. |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:16 - Jun 28 with 2850 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:10 - Jun 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are you really giving equivalence to Johnson lying about matters of national security, and Starmer reneging on a few vague pledges made to appease the Cultists?
You need a reality check mate. |
Why not?
It was obvious to anyone that Boris was a liar before and that he’d be a liability in power because of it. Starmer’s similarly distant relationship with the truth or anything approaching principles or commitments should set off alarm bells.
Judging him by his words and deeds, he’s a fundamentally dishonest man. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:18 - Jun 28 with 2833 views | GeoffSentence |
just tried to stream the dispatches documentary, this is what I got
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:55 - Jun 28 with 2716 views | Ryorry |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:16 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
Why not?
It was obvious to anyone that Boris was a liar before and that he’d be a liability in power because of it. Starmer’s similarly distant relationship with the truth or anything approaching principles or commitments should set off alarm bells.
Judging him by his words and deeds, he’s a fundamentally dishonest man. |
Going by the way you serially & disingenuously misrepresent Starmer on here, I'd say you're the "fundamentally dishonest" one. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 13:48 - Jun 28 with 2601 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:55 - Jun 28 by Ryorry |
Going by the way you serially & disingenuously misrepresent Starmer on here, I'd say you're the "fundamentally dishonest" one. |
That probably says more about how little you know/care.
Peter Oborne was all over Boris, his lies and his danger to our democracy before anyone else. Looks like he’s now got Starmer fully in his sights. Good – this stuff matters whether it’s blue or red.
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 14:29 - Jun 28 with 2504 views | GlasgowBlue |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:08 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
No, not satirical. A statement of fact. Although I think I said that he’s as much as a liar as Johnson.
Johnson is of course brazen. But Starmer is a serial pledge-breaker and flip-flopper who many are happy to make excuses for or just look the other way. And that’s even without his dishonest approach to how the party is run and how actual left-wingers have been marginalised and smeared by him and his gang.
But just like Brexiteers with their lies, the “centrists” are happy if the lies are about the left or will usher in centre-right policies. |
Starmer is an MI5 agent, eh Koonters? |  |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 14:55 - Jun 28 with 2454 views | Swansea_Blue |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:08 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
No, not satirical. A statement of fact. Although I think I said that he’s as much as a liar as Johnson.
Johnson is of course brazen. But Starmer is a serial pledge-breaker and flip-flopper who many are happy to make excuses for or just look the other way. And that’s even without his dishonest approach to how the party is run and how actual left-wingers have been marginalised and smeared by him and his gang.
But just like Brexiteers with their lies, the “centrists” are happy if the lies are about the left or will usher in centre-right policies. |
I don't think that's entirely fair. Starmer had a respectable jobs and a good reputation before he entered politics. Johnson has lied, cheated and bluffed his way through every role or position he's ever had.
Many of Starmer's leadership pledges that Corbyn supporters say he's broken couldn't actually be delivered until Labour have a majority government in any case. So we'll have to wait and see. Where I do agree is he does seem to blow with the wind and lacks conviction. The njury's out for me - he's giving contradictory messages and looking very Tory lite right now, but how much of that is the need to win an election rather than a reflection of what he'd do in power? Let's not forget Labour tried with the ideological approach and it resulted in them getting a massive kicking at the ballot box (although Brexit disrupted normal service, so maybe that result was coming whatever ideology they'd have presented in 2019). [Post edited 28 Jun 2023 14:56]
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:28 - Jun 28 with 2394 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 14:29 - Jun 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Starmer is an MI5 agent, eh Koonters? |
Gmpf.
You’re a man who thinks lying is clever politics. That’s even before we get into your own steaming misrepresentations and antisemitism-weaponising smears when it comes to the Left.
Of course, you’re a Starmer fan. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:31 - Jun 28 with 2376 views | DJR |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:10 - Jun 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Are you really giving equivalence to Johnson lying about matters of national security, and Starmer reneging on a few vague pledges made to appease the Cultists?
You need a reality check mate. |
I was never a Cultist (and never voted for Corbyn) but voted for Starmer because of his pledges, which many ordinary Labour members like me did too.
I now feel let down, and I do feel questions about his integrity are in order, as Sunak did once again today.
Incidentally, this clip from Margaret Hodge suggests there was an element of calculation, or deceit, in what he was doing.
Incidentally, this looks like another U-turn, and in my view further undermines trust in politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/28/keir-starmer-considers-ditching [Post edited 28 Jun 2023 15:35]
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:33 - Jun 28 with 2358 views | Ryorry |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 13:48 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
That probably says more about how little you know/care.
Peter Oborne was all over Boris, his lies and his danger to our democracy before anyone else. Looks like he’s now got Starmer fully in his sights. Good – this stuff matters whether it’s blue or red.
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I'd say that I, who joined & intends to vote for the main opposition party to this evil, corrupt Govt. at the next GE, knows & cares a great deal more than you, who actively works against Labour, said you won't vote, & who is therefore complicit in enabling the #ToryCriminalsUnfitToGovern to continue in power. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:41 - Jun 28 with 2336 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 14:55 - Jun 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't think that's entirely fair. Starmer had a respectable jobs and a good reputation before he entered politics. Johnson has lied, cheated and bluffed his way through every role or position he's ever had.
Many of Starmer's leadership pledges that Corbyn supporters say he's broken couldn't actually be delivered until Labour have a majority government in any case. So we'll have to wait and see. Where I do agree is he does seem to blow with the wind and lacks conviction. The njury's out for me - he's giving contradictory messages and looking very Tory lite right now, but how much of that is the need to win an election rather than a reflection of what he'd do in power? Let's not forget Labour tried with the ideological approach and it resulted in them getting a massive kicking at the ballot box (although Brexit disrupted normal service, so maybe that result was coming whatever ideology they'd have presented in 2019). [Post edited 28 Jun 2023 14:56]
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Boris is more brazen as I’ve said. But Starmer is just as dishonest an operator.
I see that you’re critical but I still think you’re defending the indefensible. Or at least muddying the waters. He has trashed virtually all his leadership campaign on progressive policies and for which he was DEMOCRATICALLY elected on. Even since being leader he’s just made stuff up as he’s gone along – from new “promises” and missions that are increasingly right-wing to how he’s purged members, ignored the Forde report and rigged selections.
He’s deeply authoritarian, anti-democratic and dishonest. And shouldn’t be seen as fit for government – just like many said about Johnson. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:44 - Jun 28 with 2326 views | Ryorry |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:31 - Jun 28 by DJR |
I was never a Cultist (and never voted for Corbyn) but voted for Starmer because of his pledges, which many ordinary Labour members like me did too.
I now feel let down, and I do feel questions about his integrity are in order, as Sunak did once again today.
Incidentally, this clip from Margaret Hodge suggests there was an element of calculation, or deceit, in what he was doing.
Incidentally, this looks like another U-turn, and in my view further undermines trust in politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/28/keir-starmer-considers-ditching [Post edited 28 Jun 2023 15:35]
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The primary intention is surely to ensure first gaining power. After that if a big enough majority (at least partially gained through mopping up disenchanted Tories) then you can be more reforming/radical.
No doubt an element of surprise/keeping powder dry + possible double u-turning in there too. What's the point of revealing all now & giving the tories plenty of time to draw up counter-arguments? KM doesn't name his teams to all & sundry 2 days before k/o!
Having said all that, I'd nevertheless be much happier if Andy Burnham were Labour leader. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:45 - Jun 28 with 2320 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:41 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
Boris is more brazen as I’ve said. But Starmer is just as dishonest an operator.
I see that you’re critical but I still think you’re defending the indefensible. Or at least muddying the waters. He has trashed virtually all his leadership campaign on progressive policies and for which he was DEMOCRATICALLY elected on. Even since being leader he’s just made stuff up as he’s gone along – from new “promises” and missions that are increasingly right-wing to how he’s purged members, ignored the Forde report and rigged selections.
He’s deeply authoritarian, anti-democratic and dishonest. And shouldn’t be seen as fit for government – just like many said about Johnson. |
“He’s deeply authoritarian”
Because he kicked out a few racists? What an utter b@stard! | | | |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:49 - Jun 28 with 2295 views | Darth_Koont |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:33 - Jun 28 by Ryorry |
I'd say that I, who joined & intends to vote for the main opposition party to this evil, corrupt Govt. at the next GE, knows & cares a great deal more than you, who actively works against Labour, said you won't vote, & who is therefore complicit in enabling the #ToryCriminalsUnfitToGovern to continue in power. |
Words.
I notice you’d rather posture than consider Oborne’s judgement on Starmer’s dishonesty and deceit. Bearing in mind he’s one of the very few journalists who takes this stuff seriously, I think you and others should. Rather than excusing or ignoring it and then wondering why we have ANOTHER unaccountable, self-serving and anti-democratic government. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:54 - Jun 28 with 2281 views | DJR |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:44 - Jun 28 by Ryorry |
The primary intention is surely to ensure first gaining power. After that if a big enough majority (at least partially gained through mopping up disenchanted Tories) then you can be more reforming/radical.
No doubt an element of surprise/keeping powder dry + possible double u-turning in there too. What's the point of revealing all now & giving the tories plenty of time to draw up counter-arguments? KM doesn't name his teams to all & sundry 2 days before k/o!
Having said all that, I'd nevertheless be much happier if Andy Burnham were Labour leader. |
I'd certainly much prefer Andy Burnham, and indeed voted for him as leader in 2015. | | | |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:55 - Jun 28 with 2270 views | Ryorry |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:49 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
Words.
I notice you’d rather posture than consider Oborne’s judgement on Starmer’s dishonesty and deceit. Bearing in mind he’s one of the very few journalists who takes this stuff seriously, I think you and others should. Rather than excusing or ignoring it and then wondering why we have ANOTHER unaccountable, self-serving and anti-democratic government. |
So here we are again - instead of focussing on Johnson's threat to UK national security as per the OP, you've yet again hijacked the thread & turned it into a ripping apart of the Labour leader.
Words fail.
And read my previous post. | |
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| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 15:59 - Jun 28 with 2240 views | HARRY10 |
| B. Johnson deliberately compromised UK security on 12:08 - Jun 28 by Darth_Koont |
No, not satirical. A statement of fact. Although I think I said that he’s as much as a liar as Johnson.
Johnson is of course brazen. But Starmer is a serial pledge-breaker and flip-flopper who many are happy to make excuses for or just look the other way. And that’s even without his dishonest approach to how the party is run and how actual left-wingers have been marginalised and smeared by him and his gang.
But just like Brexiteers with their lies, the “centrists” are happy if the lies are about the left or will usher in centre-right policies. |
That is just being silly. What Starmer intended to do cannot not be held against him when he has not the chance to do anything.
Christ, where the hell have you lost out. Joined the Labour party because of previous pledges. Now he has dropped them, well leave the Party,
To compare those actions with the intentional lies of the fat fraud is absurd. Fat boy neither knew or cared what he was promising, as long as it got him elected.
Starmer is merely stating that what he intended to do previously, he does not now.
So you vote accordingly. Unless you are some Trot enmeshed in a ludicrous, 'vote Labour as they will fail and so everyone will then become a revolutionary' twaddle. | | | |
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