| Dane Scarlett 14:26 - Oct 10 with 7792 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Of our 3 Prem loanees both Hutchinson & Williams are regularly contributing now and only Dane seems to be struggling for game time.
He's had whats amounted to about 60 minutes of football so far, and has looked tidy on the ball and made some good runs at Huddersfield without looking like scoring yet.
You do wonder when he will get a chance or be able to force himself into the team but its a long season. How annoying is it that Spurs cup tied him? |  | | |  |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:38 - Oct 10 with 6495 views | _clive_baker_ |
I've heard some very encouraging titbits re. the young lad in training. Apparently he's exceptionally talented and has made an impression. Worth remembering he joined 6 weeks after Hutchinson, so perhaps a case of him still getting up to speed with how we want him to play. Of course he's not really been helped by our start to the season, and as you say being cup tied is annoying, Wolves and Fulham would've been ideal to get good minutes in to him.
In some respects I hope we don't see him if it means we carry on in this vein and scoring at the rate we are, but it's a long season. I'm sure he'll have a role to play , if not I wonder if Spurs would look to send him somewhere else in Jan? Not that appeasing them should be anywhere near out thinking in terms of using him. |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:40 - Oct 10 with 6458 views | itfcjoe |
Yeah, think he has been on the wrong side of things - Hirst getting injured so early v Cardiff meant Ladapo got the nod in that game and scored a brace as DS probably wasn't ready for an hour at that time.
Then now a second international break where he is away with England and not working with the squad - prob bad for him here, even if good longer term.
He'll get his chance and need to be ready for it - but will be itching to get it soon.
Whilst the cup-tying of him is really annoying as cost him a game or two - it also means that he can't play for anyone else this season so needs to make a go off it here and will do |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 14:43 - Oct 10 with 6422 views | Stewart27 |
He looked a bit off it in the first game. I don’t mean that as a negative either. Expectedly he didn’t look as up to speed as the other players. I’ve just got the feeling that in a few months he will be called upon and we will all see the benefits of having worked with KM and his superb coaching team. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:50 - Oct 10 with 6348 views | LankHenners |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:38 - Oct 10 by _clive_baker_ |
I've heard some very encouraging titbits re. the young lad in training. Apparently he's exceptionally talented and has made an impression. Worth remembering he joined 6 weeks after Hutchinson, so perhaps a case of him still getting up to speed with how we want him to play. Of course he's not really been helped by our start to the season, and as you say being cup tied is annoying, Wolves and Fulham would've been ideal to get good minutes in to him.
In some respects I hope we don't see him if it means we carry on in this vein and scoring at the rate we are, but it's a long season. I'm sure he'll have a role to play , if not I wonder if Spurs would look to send him somewhere else in Jan? Not that appeasing them should be anywhere near out thinking in terms of using him. |
Don't think Spurs can do that can they now he's played for them and us? Unless I'm missing something about cup games not counting for the 2 club rule.
Think McKenna was a bit annoyed, though understanding, about him getting called up for these breaks as he's basically had next to no proper training with the squad as it's just been relentless match-to-match preparation stuff. The way we play requires players having very specific roles and knowing how to play it (with an awareness of what everyone else is doing as well), hard to come in off the back of limited training time and be bang at it in that regard.
Hirst is obviously first choice ST at the moment (and will likely stay so all season) so I guess the game state dictates a little bit whether it's Scarlett or Ladapo who replaces him after he's run himself into the ground. The former has the speed and running power to stretch defences and chase down loose balls whereas the latter has the physical strength and experience to hold play up, draw defenders out etc. as seen against Preston where I think his work for the 4th goal has gone under the radar a bit. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 14:58 - Oct 10 with 6286 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:50 - Oct 10 by LankHenners |
Don't think Spurs can do that can they now he's played for them and us? Unless I'm missing something about cup games not counting for the 2 club rule.
Think McKenna was a bit annoyed, though understanding, about him getting called up for these breaks as he's basically had next to no proper training with the squad as it's just been relentless match-to-match preparation stuff. The way we play requires players having very specific roles and knowing how to play it (with an awareness of what everyone else is doing as well), hard to come in off the back of limited training time and be bang at it in that regard.
Hirst is obviously first choice ST at the moment (and will likely stay so all season) so I guess the game state dictates a little bit whether it's Scarlett or Ladapo who replaces him after he's run himself into the ground. The former has the speed and running power to stretch defences and chase down loose balls whereas the latter has the physical strength and experience to hold play up, draw defenders out etc. as seen against Preston where I think his work for the 4th goal has gone under the radar a bit. |
Ahh that's a good point. Not sure if they could send him abroad? Either way the 2 club rule certainly appears to make them recalling him perhaps a little less likely.
I very much see Scarlett as an option off the bench with his pace and athleticism, possibly one with a higher ceiling than Ladapo, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a decent amount of 20-30 minute 'finisher' stints as the season goes on. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 15:03 - Oct 10 with 6253 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
At the end of the Preston Game McKenna went up to him and whispered in his ear (he doesn't do this with all players after the game) and then nodded at him as he walked off to which Scarlett nodded back in a 'I understand' sort of way.
I'm utterly convinced that McKenna will start him when none of us expect it and he will have a quality game. Every thing McKenna does seems to work. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 15:32 - Oct 10 with 6032 views | Radlett_blue |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:40 - Oct 10 by itfcjoe |
Yeah, think he has been on the wrong side of things - Hirst getting injured so early v Cardiff meant Ladapo got the nod in that game and scored a brace as DS probably wasn't ready for an hour at that time.
Then now a second international break where he is away with England and not working with the squad - prob bad for him here, even if good longer term.
He'll get his chance and need to be ready for it - but will be itching to get it soon.
Whilst the cup-tying of him is really annoying as cost him a game or two - it also means that he can't play for anyone else this season so needs to make a go off it here and will do |
Does the fact that Scarlett has played a Cup game for Spurs mean he now can't play for any other club this season? If so, that means that Spurs can't recall him & loan him out elsewhere. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 15:58 - Oct 10 with 5872 views | Kievthegreat |
Both Hutchinson and Williams have been eased in to their current position where they are challenging/holding a starting role. Scarlett is a little behind as he come in later, plus Spurs' seemingly stupid decision to cup-tie him means easing him in is more difficult now adds extra time.
He's looked capable when he's been on without being exceptional, but the better integrated he gets with the team and up to speed with the systems I reckon he could have a positive impact. I just think however he won't ever have as much as the other 2 mentioned because he's competing in positions where there is more limited time (no 9 role is only one positon) or against our strongest players (if he is a number 10 like Broadhead or Chappers). |  | | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 20:40 - Oct 10 with 5273 views | Bobbychase |
I think the key to continuing this excellent form is people like Taylor and Scarlett in particular coming to the party.
Burns/Chaplin/Broadhead/Hirst/Ladapo/Jackson/Hutchinson - we know they will create and score, but they won't all stay fit the entire season. Having players like Taylor and Dane to step in and maintain our attacking threat will be crucial - plus whoever we may add in January. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 20:42 - Oct 10 with 5261 views | PhilTWTD |
| Dane Scarlett on 15:32 - Oct 10 by Radlett_blue |
Does the fact that Scarlett has played a Cup game for Spurs mean he now can't play for any other club this season? If so, that means that Spurs can't recall him & loan him out elsewhere. |
Indeed, can't play for three clubs in a season. |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:45 - Oct 10 with 5236 views | PhilTWTD |
| Dane Scarlett on 14:58 - Oct 10 by _clive_baker_ |
Ahh that's a good point. Not sure if they could send him abroad? Either way the 2 club rule certainly appears to make them recalling him perhaps a little less likely.
I very much see Scarlett as an option off the bench with his pace and athleticism, possibly one with a higher ceiling than Ladapo, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a decent amount of 20-30 minute 'finisher' stints as the season goes on. |
It's a FIFA rule rather than a domestic one. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:59 - Oct 10 with 5155 views | FrimleyBlue |
Based solely on pompy games and some other highlights. Dane looks like a different player. Don't know if pompy ruined him or what but he was rapid when I watched him and in his highlights too. He looks bulkier. Which could just be more work on his upper body but he's not the dane I'd expected. ( he's still be OK tho and some nice touches) but he's not one I'm desperate to see off the bench yet.
It'll be interesting to see his progress under KM. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 05:40 - Oct 11 with 4783 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Such a shame to see Ipswich players playing for Ipswich | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 08:25 - Oct 11 with 4512 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:59 - Oct 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Based solely on pompy games and some other highlights. Dane looks like a different player. Don't know if pompy ruined him or what but he was rapid when I watched him and in his highlights too. He looks bulkier. Which could just be more work on his upper body but he's not the dane I'd expected. ( he's still be OK tho and some nice touches) but he's not one I'm desperate to see off the bench yet.
It'll be interesting to see his progress under KM. |
I'm glad you've stopped short of "I don't see the point of this signing" like you said with Hirst. Maybe you're learning! |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 08:36 - Oct 11 with 4478 views | CityBlue |
In the squad rotation his role will be to come on when we come up against a team where we need to flex formation to possibly two up front. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 08:43 - Oct 11 with 4468 views | Herbivore |
As has been mentioned, he's a bit behind the other two. Although Williams joined fairly late the lad has played a few dozen games in the Prem and is much further on in his development as a footballer. Hutchinson had a good chunk of preseason with us and looked talented but a touch lost in his first few cameos for us before really kicking on in a big way in recent weeks. Scarlett will come good.
Important to note as well that McKenna talks about attributes rather than positions when it comes to players and there will be games and game situations where he will see Scarlett's attributes as being a good fit and he will get game time without a doubt. It's a long season, we play at a high intensity, we're going to need the whole squad to be ready to play and to contribute in order to win the title race with Leicester. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 10:50 - Oct 11 with 4256 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 08:25 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm glad you've stopped short of "I don't see the point of this signing" like you said with Hirst. Maybe you're learning! |
As I said at the time flash I didn't see the point when we'd signed a striker to then loan said striker out a few months later to loan in another striker.
Thank fk we did. But again not going to apologise for thoughts at a specific time. But you know that. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 11:38 - Oct 11 with 4177 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dane Scarlett on 10:50 - Oct 11 by FrimleyBlue |
As I said at the time flash I didn't see the point when we'd signed a striker to then loan said striker out a few months later to loan in another striker.
Thank fk we did. But again not going to apologise for thoughts at a specific time. But you know that. |
I didn't mention Ahadme, your comments on Hirst were based on watching him play and not thinking he was up to much. The purchase of Ahadme, his injury woes and subsequent loan out are a whole 'nother discussion.
The point being, you tend to make an early hot-take on a player (and even the manager) when a little more time and patience is needed. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 11:52 - Oct 11 with 4140 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Dane Scarlett on 11:38 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't mention Ahadme, your comments on Hirst were based on watching him play and not thinking he was up to much. The purchase of Ahadme, his injury woes and subsequent loan out are a whole 'nother discussion.
The point being, you tend to make an early hot-take on a player (and even the manager) when a little more time and patience is needed. |
He's at least waited for 60 minutes of football from Scarlett before he's writing him off. By his standards that's patient. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:11 - Oct 11 with 3879 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 11:52 - Oct 11 by _clive_baker_ |
He's at least waited for 60 minutes of football from Scarlett before he's writing him off. By his standards that's patient. |
where have i written him off? | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 16:20 - Oct 11 with 3843 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 11:38 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't mention Ahadme, your comments on Hirst were based on watching him play and not thinking he was up to much. The purchase of Ahadme, his injury woes and subsequent loan out are a whole 'nother discussion.
The point being, you tend to make an early hot-take on a player (and even the manager) when a little more time and patience is needed. |
" The purchase of Ahadme, his injury woes and subsequent loan out are a whole 'nother discussion."
no it wasn't
but i've no interest in trying to win the internet with you as you'll just keep going, so i'll agree with what ever you like.
The thread was however about Dane Scarlett, not a loan from last season. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 16:27 - Oct 11 with 3815 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:11 - Oct 11 by FrimleyBlue |
where have i written him off? |
I only have to look at 1 post on this thread where you're implying Pompey might've 'ruined him', he's lost pace, a 'different Scarlett' to the one you expected and that he's not a player you're looking forward to seeing off the bench.
He's literally played little over an hour of football for us. I dare say you've seen a fraction, if any of that in person.
If you can't see how stupid your hot takes are after all this time, and having shat the bed so publicly and spectacularly in the past, I don't think there's much helping you. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:30 - Oct 11 with 3803 views | Cornette |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:27 - Oct 11 by _clive_baker_ |
I only have to look at 1 post on this thread where you're implying Pompey might've 'ruined him', he's lost pace, a 'different Scarlett' to the one you expected and that he's not a player you're looking forward to seeing off the bench.
He's literally played little over an hour of football for us. I dare say you've seen a fraction, if any of that in person.
If you can't see how stupid your hot takes are after all this time, and having shat the bed so publicly and spectacularly in the past, I don't think there's much helping you. |
I'm not sure which is higher, his IQ or BMI?? |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 16:40 - Oct 11 with 3772 views | Herbivore |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:30 - Oct 11 by Cornette |
I'm not sure which is higher, his IQ or BMI?? |
He could be 5 stone wet through and I'd still wager his BMI wins this one. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 16:41 - Oct 11 with 3768 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 16:27 - Oct 11 by _clive_baker_ |
I only have to look at 1 post on this thread where you're implying Pompey might've 'ruined him', he's lost pace, a 'different Scarlett' to the one you expected and that he's not a player you're looking forward to seeing off the bench.
He's literally played little over an hour of football for us. I dare say you've seen a fraction, if any of that in person.
If you can't see how stupid your hot takes are after all this time, and having shat the bed so publicly and spectacularly in the past, I don't think there's much helping you. |
So again, you're trying to tell people what they are allowed to think about a player.
I like dane, I wanted us to sign him all summer and we have, so fk you.
I just see a different Dane at the moment and it's not about football ability as I said, that's been ok, I'ts soley a difference so far pace wise, that electric pace ( and trickery ) I saw when he first joined pompy.
The ruined point, is more about how pompy took him from striker and popped him out on the wing and then he didn't feature. Did they take him down the route of 'getting' bigger with his upper body? I dunno, he just looks different. That's not a negative, it's just how i see it. [Post edited 11 Oct 2023 16:48]
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