| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts 20:14 - Oct 20 with 4095 views | nodge_blue |
Im watching the start of the rugby and im thinking
1. The haka must be cultural appropriation. Largely white guys performing a native dance when years ago that dance would have been performed against their ancestors.
2. Then i saw Argentina as basically white spanish colonialists too. Which makes me wonder why their version of colonialism makes them think of the malvinas (spanish name?) As theirs. Its like the large colony believes they should own the small colony. Of course neither should have been there.
All that going on in my head as i watch the anthems.
Now ill watch the rugby. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:22 - Oct 20 with 3411 views | Lord_Lucan |
Funnily enough I was thinking as I watched the Argies watch the Haka that their supporters are probably having a love in with the French and laughing about Excorcets and the fact that France.gov didn’t give us the kill switch code. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:25 - Oct 20 with 3375 views | nodge_blue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:22 - Oct 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Funnily enough I was thinking as I watched the Argies watch the Haka that their supporters are probably having a love in with the French and laughing about Excorcets and the fact that France.gov didn’t give us the kill switch code. |
Maybe some people were just considering whether new Zealand lamb is better than Argentinian beef. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:35 - Oct 20 with 3336 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:22 - Oct 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Funnily enough I was thinking as I watched the Argies watch the Haka that their supporters are probably having a love in with the French and laughing about Excorcets and the fact that France.gov didn’t give us the kill switch code. |
Now you have me thinking that the Malvinas are much more likely Argentina's than ours!  |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:59 - Oct 20 with 3272 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:35 - Oct 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Now you have me thinking that the Malvinas are much more likely Argentina's than ours! |
The first claimants were the Spanish. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 22:04 - Oct 20 with 3168 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:25 - Oct 20 by nodge_blue |
Maybe some people were just considering whether new Zealand lamb is better than Argentinian beef. |
And whether they go best with NZ Pinot Noir or Argie Malbec.
(It’s an easy answer as well) |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 22:26 - Oct 20 with 3125 views | factual_blue |
On the NZ public holiday of Waitangi Day (6 Feb), New Zealanders in London dress up in various national costumes. The time I actually saw this happening, most of them were Harry Potter characters.
They set off on a clockwise journey around the circle line, starting at South Kensington. They alight at every station and have a drink.
Twenty pints later they arrive at Westminster, where they all assemble for a completely rat-arsed attempt at a haka. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 23:06 - Oct 20 with 3061 views | WeWereZombies |
The Argentines use an argument that the British have only been in The Falklands for one hundred and seventy five years. However there is a South American tribe called the Mapuche who were initially conquered by the Spanish but then fought back. They held various bits of Argentina and Chile for about three hundred years and were only fully subjugated in the 1920s. So when I was out there I was all ready for the Malvinas question with 'just as soon as you give the Mapuche back their homeland 'cos that is a more recent colonialisation' but the Argentines are generally far too pleasant to bring these things up so unfortunately (well, fortunately probably) I never had the chance to lay that jibe on them. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 08:53 - Oct 21 with 2904 views | Mullet |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 23:06 - Oct 20 by WeWereZombies |
The Argentines use an argument that the British have only been in The Falklands for one hundred and seventy five years. However there is a South American tribe called the Mapuche who were initially conquered by the Spanish but then fought back. They held various bits of Argentina and Chile for about three hundred years and were only fully subjugated in the 1920s. So when I was out there I was all ready for the Malvinas question with 'just as soon as you give the Mapuche back their homeland 'cos that is a more recent colonialisation' but the Argentines are generally far too pleasant to bring these things up so unfortunately (well, fortunately probably) I never had the chance to lay that jibe on them. |
Weirdly, when I worked in New Zealand (during a Rugby world cup) I was accosted by an Argentine woman. She heard my accent and almost ran over to start berating me about the Falklands.
Was a very weird interaction given she was surprised I was no fan of Maggie either. Wanted me to know emphatically she was a "babykiller" and hated in Argentina. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 08:58 - Oct 21 with 2890 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, in summary, the Falklands should belong to penguins and the Belgrano should still be afloat. I hope you enjoyed the rugby! |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 08:59 - Oct 21 with 2889 views | Keno |
Argentina is a country whose capital city roughly translates and “nice arse” |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:05 - Oct 21 with 2850 views | WeWereZombies |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 08:53 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Weirdly, when I worked in New Zealand (during a Rugby world cup) I was accosted by an Argentine woman. She heard my accent and almost ran over to start berating me about the Falklands.
Was a very weird interaction given she was surprised I was no fan of Maggie either. Wanted me to know emphatically she was a "babykiller" and hated in Argentina. |
You didn't try and point out that really it was Galtieri who was the real 'babykiller' for sending raw recruits over to defend recently won territory against professional soldiers then ? To which I suppose the counter argument is that Thatcher didn't have to send a task force but that is a whole other tangled web to get into. I did feel a bit uncomfortable staying in a hotel on Avenida Belgrano when I was in Buenos Aires, but then I found out thet was named after a General from the wars of independence from the Spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Belgrano#:~:text=Manuel%20Jos%C3%A9%20Joaqu | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:08 - Oct 21 with 2829 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:05 - Oct 21 by WeWereZombies |
You didn't try and point out that really it was Galtieri who was the real 'babykiller' for sending raw recruits over to defend recently won territory against professional soldiers then ? To which I suppose the counter argument is that Thatcher didn't have to send a task force but that is a whole other tangled web to get into. I did feel a bit uncomfortable staying in a hotel on Avenida Belgrano when I was in Buenos Aires, but then I found out thet was named after a General from the wars of independence from the Spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Belgrano#:~:text=Manuel%20Jos%C3%A9%20Joaqu |
Isn't that who the ship was named after as well?! | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:11 - Oct 21 with 2821 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
There is a difference between cultural appropriation and sharing culture.
One is seizing something without permission, the other is being invited to be part of something. |  | | |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:13 - Oct 21 with 2806 views | WeWereZombies |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:08 - Oct 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Isn't that who the ship was named after as well?! |
It is indeed, which is why I felt a bit uncomfortable. I was certainly offended by a street named after HMS Sheffield I saw in a town at the north end of Patagonia. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:15 - Oct 21 with 2792 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:13 - Oct 21 by WeWereZombies |
It is indeed, which is why I felt a bit uncomfortable. I was certainly offended by a street named after HMS Sheffield I saw in a town at the north end of Patagonia. |
I took the "but then I found out" as a suggestion that reduced your discomfort rather than reinforced it. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:16 - Oct 21 with 2787 views | nodge_blue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 08:58 - Oct 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So, in summary, the Falklands should belong to penguins and the Belgrano should still be afloat. I hope you enjoyed the rugby! |
I think to strictly apply that logic, the falklands would be full of penguins and the Belgrano would never have existed. I’ve learnt below that belgrano was a general who fought in a war of independence from Spain. But that still sounds like a Spanish Colonial) name to me.
I thought the rugby was very dull. Too one sided. Lamb conquered beef. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:17 - Oct 21 with 2781 views | Mullet |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:05 - Oct 21 by WeWereZombies |
You didn't try and point out that really it was Galtieri who was the real 'babykiller' for sending raw recruits over to defend recently won territory against professional soldiers then ? To which I suppose the counter argument is that Thatcher didn't have to send a task force but that is a whole other tangled web to get into. I did feel a bit uncomfortable staying in a hotel on Avenida Belgrano when I was in Buenos Aires, but then I found out thet was named after a General from the wars of independence from the Spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Belgrano#:~:text=Manuel%20Jos%C3%A9%20Joaqu |
I was in uniform midshift so I just try to be polite, it was beyond weird. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:20 - Oct 21 with 2755 views | WeWereZombies |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:15 - Oct 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I took the "but then I found out" as a suggestion that reduced your discomfort rather than reinforced it. |
It did reduce my discomfort
Edit: I phrased the prior post badly, should have said I felt a bit uncomfortable to start with until I realised that the Avenida was not named after the battleship. [Post edited 21 Oct 2023 9:22]
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:21 - Oct 21 with 2741 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 20:35 - Oct 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Now you have me thinking that the Malvinas are much more likely Argentina's than ours! |
The local population want to be British which negates all other arguments.
I can't speak for the sheep. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:25 - Oct 21 with 2691 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:21 - Oct 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The local population want to be British which negates all other arguments.
I can't speak for the sheep. |
The usual "solution" to that problem is to displace them with nationals from where you want the land to belong to instead.
It is remarkable the role the conflict over them played in our own political history.
We can also see where that "solution" has led to far too often. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:35 - Oct 21 with 2652 views | Radlett_blue |
So the Spanish shouldn't have been in Argentina.
Equally, the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Normans & Vikings shouldn't have been on our islands & they should have been left to the Celtic Britons, although some of them originated from Gaul (or France).
Awkward stuff, history. |  |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:51 - Oct 21 with 2618 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:35 - Oct 21 by Radlett_blue |
So the Spanish shouldn't have been in Argentina.
Equally, the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Normans & Vikings shouldn't have been on our islands & they should have been left to the Celtic Britons, although some of them originated from Gaul (or France).
Awkward stuff, history. |
Indeed. Need to protect our nationality and keep away from those nasty foreign Europeans. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:53 - Oct 21 with 2610 views | WeWereZombies |
Blimey, a male Argentine Liz Truss.
Glad I went when I did now. More seriously, the inflation and currency erosion is crippling in Argentina. And yet they have so much natural wealth: oil, agriculture, lithium, plenty of sunshine for solar power and so on. | |
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| Sometimes i have the most most left field thoughts on 09:57 - Oct 21 with 2588 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Leaving aside all his populist stuff, the Argentinian electorate need a quiet chat with some Greeks before they dollarise the economy.
Totally giving away control of monetary policy to a foreign power is an "interesting" approach for an economist to advocate, especially one who is trumpeting nationalist rhetoric. | | | |
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