| Farage is a far right loon 08:18 - Jun 22 with 20869 views | Herbivore |
Stating the obvious, I know, but there's been a few people on here who have scoffed at the idea that Farage is far right so it's worth restating. The takeaways from his interview last night are here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
The line about protecting our culture, values, and identity from migrants - very much suggesting they are a threat to our way out of life - is straight out of the 1920s and 30s fascist playbook. It's also boll0cks. What Farage considers to be our culture, values, and identity looks very different from what most Brits would consider to be our values, culture, and identity.
He explained why he said he admired Putin, and it's basically because Putin has successfully seized power and become a de facto dictator. That's right, he thinks being a dictator makes someone an admirable politician. He admires the political savvy of someone whose political opponents end up dead or in jail.
Related to the above, he's parroted Putin's defence for invading Ukraine. He will happily side with authoritarian leaders he sympathises with overseas over his own country and its allies. Anyone who thinks this guy wouldn't have had a swastika up in his living room in the 1930s is kidding themselves.
Then there's the climate denialism, the disavowal of any responsibility for his party attracting candidates who are openly racist, supporting candidates who have said openly racist things (including some rank antisemitism in the last day or so).
He's a vile scumbag with very dangerous views that he barely masks beneath a veneer of being an 'old school' Englishman who just loves a pint and a joke about darkies and poofs, and where's the harm in that? The harm is all around us from the last time this grifter was given a platform over and over again despite being a liar and unfit for public life. Now we're giving him oxygen to play to people's base fears and prejudices all over again. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 8:27]
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| Farage is a far right loon on 08:31 - Jun 22 with 9151 views | DJR |
I do sense that his comments on Ukraine may mark the moment when many patriotic and traditional Tory voters in the shire counties, disillusioned with the Tories, stop toying with voting for Reform, however much they might agree with the rest of what Farage says. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 8:43]
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| Farage is a far right loon on 08:41 - Jun 22 with 9099 views | davblue |
I can totally see why some people would vote for him. He grabs onto headline things ‘immigration’ for example and he’s a very good public speaker. People who purely go off his tv appearances would see someone who is ‘anti establishment’ and they will buy into that.
For the people who bother to look into him in a broader sense then they will see some troubling information. Him and his policies are terrible but it’s an indictment on our political landscape. |  | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:43 - Jun 22 with 9075 views | Herbivore |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:41 - Jun 22 by davblue |
I can totally see why some people would vote for him. He grabs onto headline things ‘immigration’ for example and he’s a very good public speaker. People who purely go off his tv appearances would see someone who is ‘anti establishment’ and they will buy into that.
For the people who bother to look into him in a broader sense then they will see some troubling information. Him and his policies are terrible but it’s an indictment on our political landscape. |
I'm not sure he is a good public speaker is he? I guess it depends on your definition, but for me a good public speaker is someone who is all over the detail and who is able to deal in facts and think on their feet when challenged. That is certainly not Farage. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 08:48 - Jun 22 with 9030 views | davblue |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:43 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure he is a good public speaker is he? I guess it depends on your definition, but for me a good public speaker is someone who is all over the detail and who is able to deal in facts and think on their feet when challenged. That is certainly not Farage. |
I do in the way he delivers. He might not be all over the facts but I think to the common person, who’s not into politics who listen to him will be influenced by him. | | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:50 - Jun 22 with 9010 views | Herbivore |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:48 - Jun 22 by davblue |
I do in the way he delivers. He might not be all over the facts but I think to the common person, who’s not into politics who listen to him will be influenced by him. |
British people are a sucker for a plummy accent I guess. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 08:51 - Jun 22 with 9005 views | gtsb1966 |
It's the bit where he says Putin has managed to "take control" of managing Russia . Hitler and Stalin took control too. |  | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:52 - Jun 22 with 8983 views | davblue |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:50 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
British people are a sucker for a plummy accent I guess. |
Just to be clear I’m in no way a sympathetic to him or his causes but we voted for Boris Johnson, so we don’t exactly have good form! | | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:56 - Jun 22 with 8929 views | Herbivore |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:52 - Jun 22 by davblue |
Just to be clear I’m in no way a sympathetic to him or his causes but we voted for Boris Johnson, so we don’t exactly have good form! |
Very true, people also said Johnson was a good speaker, he's literally the opposite. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:01 - Jun 22 with 8895 views | Churchman |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:43 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure he is a good public speaker is he? I guess it depends on your definition, but for me a good public speaker is someone who is all over the detail and who is able to deal in facts and think on their feet when challenged. That is certainly not Farage. |
He’s not a great public speaker. What he is able to do is use words, phrases and language which connects. He paints pictures with words, as Trump does and Hitler did.
Now wormy Farage is of course insignificant compared to them. However, people do switch on to him. He feeds their fears. You can have a good public speaker that talks absolute nonsense. I saw Ken Livingstone do it. He was brilliant, but what he said was cr@p. Delivery of the message.
Back to your OP, ta for the link. I don’t listen too much to what Farage has to say tbh. He’s a dangerous, odious rabble rouser; a latter day Mosley feeding nonsense to what he regards as the plebs. What I have read and everything in the BBC article that Farage says and stands for I disagree with and/or would dispute. He is wrong in just about every way.
However, people will vote for that apology of a man and his swivel eyed shower. The world has gone mad. |  | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:03 - Jun 22 with 8877 views | BloomBlue |
Very true, you are correct in everything you say about Farage, his views are dangerous. Changing our voting system would give all people proportional representation but would also give people like Farage a bigger platform.
But also playing devil's advocate the far left group 'stop the war' and therefoe its executive team also blamed NATO expansion for putin invading Ukraine. So now I'm confused is the far right the far left or vice versa, or simply are they peas in the same pod? |  | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:07 - Jun 22 with 8854 views | itfcjoe |
One positive is he combines the cultural populism with a libertarian streak that just doesn’t wash in the UK - people don’t want insurance based health care and no state so this stops him from being more dangerous |  |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:07 - Jun 22 with 8846 views | GlasgowBlue |
I used to be very critical of people who called Farage a Nazi, as I believed it showed disrespect to those who actually suffered under the Nazis and trivialised atrocities such as the Holocaust. I dismissed him as a grubby little racist and no more.
But I’ve come around to the belief that had Farage been alive in the UK during the war and we had been invaded, he’d have been at the forefront of collaboration, quite happily taken an administrative role in a puppet government and signed off on the paperwork to round up and send Jews to the camps. |  |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:08 - Jun 22 with 8841 views | EdwardStone |
He's getting too carried away with his importance
He has self-identified as Leader of the Opposition, sees himself as the future leader of the dregs of the Tory party and fully expects to become PM at some stage in the next decade
I did enjoy his line about Brexit, not denying it's a shambles but declaring that it is because nobody put him in charge....as if he would have actually turned up to any of the meetings or perused any of the detail. Arftastic.
It is very very telling that his political "party" is in fact a PLC with him as the ultimate decision maker..... basically what he says, goes. No accountability, no checks and balances, no internal democracy....just his unadulterated views and prejudices
His thoughts about Putin are dangerous rubbish....." Look what you made me do " is the line spouted by every domestic abuser ever. I think it does indicate where his loyalties lie....Kremlin apologist? Certainly......Kremlin employee?.... Quite possibly
Or is he just like Trump, just a pathetic soul who wishes he could be a dictator rather than just a dick? |  | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:11 - Jun 22 with 8827 views | ElephantintheRoom |
He probably thinks just as highly of you
If you look at the polls he seems to be more popular than the Lib Dems and Greens combined - so I’d hazard a guess that he is not alone in his thinking. IF the polls are to be believed Farage’s party will win 5 seats whilst the Lib Dems with far fewer votes get 61 Even more bizarrely the rabid Jimmy party with one fifth of the Reform vote are allegedly on target to win 5x as many seats.
That’s the real problem - whoever wins the election won’t be wanted by the vast majority of the electorate - including Saint Kier - who could have a 300 + majority with less than 40% of the vote.
It’s not a political recipe for happy, contented citizens - even if they read the guardian. |  |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:15 - Jun 22 with 8801 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:11 - Jun 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
He probably thinks just as highly of you
If you look at the polls he seems to be more popular than the Lib Dems and Greens combined - so I’d hazard a guess that he is not alone in his thinking. IF the polls are to be believed Farage’s party will win 5 seats whilst the Lib Dems with far fewer votes get 61 Even more bizarrely the rabid Jimmy party with one fifth of the Reform vote are allegedly on target to win 5x as many seats.
That’s the real problem - whoever wins the election won’t be wanted by the vast majority of the electorate - including Saint Kier - who could have a 300 + majority with less than 40% of the vote.
It’s not a political recipe for happy, contented citizens - even if they read the guardian. |
Aren’t you somebody who opposes Proportional Representation or am I mistaking you for another poster? | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:18 - Jun 22 with 8754 views | Guthrum |
| Farage is a far right loon on 08:41 - Jun 22 by davblue |
I can totally see why some people would vote for him. He grabs onto headline things ‘immigration’ for example and he’s a very good public speaker. People who purely go off his tv appearances would see someone who is ‘anti establishment’ and they will buy into that.
For the people who bother to look into him in a broader sense then they will see some troubling information. Him and his policies are terrible but it’s an indictment on our political landscape. |
One comment I hear is that he "talks sense". By that I think they mean he (seemingly) expresses opinions freely, without the careful prevarication and evasiveness of more mainstream politicians.
The latter always having to keep an eye on what happens if they get into power, what their party may have done in government and so on. For Farage, that's not an issue. He's a disruptor, throwing stones into the pond. The chances of him becoming PM are tiny*.
Currently, he has an easy ride, being able to bandy around terms like "woke" without anybody asking him what he actually means. Or conflating legal and illegal immigration unchallenged. But, if forced into a situation of actual responsibility (and assuming he doesn't just run away), I have no doubt he'd be even more useless than other "revolutionary" radicals like Truss. Footling around with pints and lbs while the economy and social welfare goes down the pan - or is ripped off by asset strippers.
* Even if he were to take over the Conservatives, all the moderates would leave and they wouldn't win a GE. |  |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:24 - Jun 22 with 8683 views | Herbivore |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:11 - Jun 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
He probably thinks just as highly of you
If you look at the polls he seems to be more popular than the Lib Dems and Greens combined - so I’d hazard a guess that he is not alone in his thinking. IF the polls are to be believed Farage’s party will win 5 seats whilst the Lib Dems with far fewer votes get 61 Even more bizarrely the rabid Jimmy party with one fifth of the Reform vote are allegedly on target to win 5x as many seats.
That’s the real problem - whoever wins the election won’t be wanted by the vast majority of the electorate - including Saint Kier - who could have a 300 + majority with less than 40% of the vote.
It’s not a political recipe for happy, contented citizens - even if they read the guardian. |
Any chance of you ever contributing anything of substance or will you just persist with contrarian trolling on every topic? | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:24 - Jun 22 with 8672 views | Guthrum |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:07 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
One positive is he combines the cultural populism with a libertarian streak that just doesn’t wash in the UK - people don’t want insurance based health care and no state so this stops him from being more dangerous |
The problem is, people are moving in that direction. They've been forced to pay for so much already (dentistry, care for the elderly) and the threat always gets wheeled out: "You'll have to pay loads of extra tax for stuff other people use". Plus a constant barrage of "the NHS is useless/broken" stories.
Probably not consciously for most, but the ground has been considerably softened. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:25 - Jun 22 with 8664 views | Herbivore |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:15 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Aren’t you somebody who opposes Proportional Representation or am I mistaking you for another poster? |
Their 'opinions' are essentially whatever is contrarian at the time. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:30 - Jun 22 with 8625 views | Churchman |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:08 - Jun 22 by EdwardStone |
He's getting too carried away with his importance
He has self-identified as Leader of the Opposition, sees himself as the future leader of the dregs of the Tory party and fully expects to become PM at some stage in the next decade
I did enjoy his line about Brexit, not denying it's a shambles but declaring that it is because nobody put him in charge....as if he would have actually turned up to any of the meetings or perused any of the detail. Arftastic.
It is very very telling that his political "party" is in fact a PLC with him as the ultimate decision maker..... basically what he says, goes. No accountability, no checks and balances, no internal democracy....just his unadulterated views and prejudices
His thoughts about Putin are dangerous rubbish....." Look what you made me do " is the line spouted by every domestic abuser ever. I think it does indicate where his loyalties lie....Kremlin apologist? Certainly......Kremlin employee?.... Quite possibly
Or is he just like Trump, just a pathetic soul who wishes he could be a dictator rather than just a dick? |
Regarding Brexit, after all these years he still doesn’t understand what it is or what it means. Nobody knew before the insane referendum, but plenty of us know now. He doesn’t, all wrapped up in his own ego and warped belief set.
In terms of cretins like this, I actually believe they should get air time if their level of support merits it. Muzzling him just gives him conspiracy tools to add to the fear. In any sort of debate, he’s easy to pick apart. He’d actually hang himself without any assistance. He really is a far right loon. A fascist, basically.
One of the reasons I support proportional representation beyond it providing me with a meaningful vote is that it might provoke better debate (a hope without much substance) and would certainly reduce the chances of extremists holding power, as they’ve done for 14 years and those at the other end of the spectrum who would if they could. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 9:31]
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:31 - Jun 22 with 8615 views | DJR |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:07 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue |
I used to be very critical of people who called Farage a Nazi, as I believed it showed disrespect to those who actually suffered under the Nazis and trivialised atrocities such as the Holocaust. I dismissed him as a grubby little racist and no more.
But I’ve come around to the belief that had Farage been alive in the UK during the war and we had been invaded, he’d have been at the forefront of collaboration, quite happily taken an administrative role in a puppet government and signed off on the paperwork to round up and send Jews to the camps. |
And had he been around before the war I have no doubt he would have been a member of Mosley's Blackshirts. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 10:11]
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:35 - Jun 22 with 8577 views | Guthrum |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:30 - Jun 22 by Churchman |
Regarding Brexit, after all these years he still doesn’t understand what it is or what it means. Nobody knew before the insane referendum, but plenty of us know now. He doesn’t, all wrapped up in his own ego and warped belief set.
In terms of cretins like this, I actually believe they should get air time if their level of support merits it. Muzzling him just gives him conspiracy tools to add to the fear. In any sort of debate, he’s easy to pick apart. He’d actually hang himself without any assistance. He really is a far right loon. A fascist, basically.
One of the reasons I support proportional representation beyond it providing me with a meaningful vote is that it might provoke better debate (a hope without much substance) and would certainly reduce the chances of extremists holding power, as they’ve done for 14 years and those at the other end of the spectrum who would if they could. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 9:31]
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Farage and his ilk know exactly what they want from Brexit - a freedom from European scrutiny and constraints for the murkier elements of the financial markets. To be entirely in charge of their own regulation.
Everything else is just window dressing and useful tools to achieve their aim. | |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:47 - Jun 22 with 8478 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I suspect you don’t have to follow the (Reform) money too far before it gets back to some of Putin’s cronies. He’s already delivered Brexit for Russia, now he’s ’helping’ undermine NATO in the UK, and in the US with his pal Trump.
With the Tories taking Russian donations post-Crimea invasion, and Russian links to Brexit funding, our democracy is being undermined by greedy and treacherous politicians. A vote for Farage is a vote for Russia. | | | |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:48 - Jun 22 with 8470 views | Pinewoodblue |
There so many disheartened Tories looking for an alternative to vote for and Reform seems the only option, other than abstaining. A protest vote if you wish.
Remains to be seen how those votes are cast. Have a feeling Tories will not lose as many seats as the pollsters suggest but will still suffer a big defeat.
The party with the most to gain this election are LibDems who look like having enough MPs to be taken notice of. Play their cards right and they could be serious challengers next time around.
Looking ahead can see, next election, Labour defections to Greens. |  |
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| Farage is a far right loon on 09:48 - Jun 22 with 8468 views | Churchman |
| Farage is a far right loon on 09:35 - Jun 22 by Guthrum |
Farage and his ilk know exactly what they want from Brexit - a freedom from European scrutiny and constraints for the murkier elements of the financial markets. To be entirely in charge of their own regulation.
Everything else is just window dressing and useful tools to achieve their aim. |
You mean no regulation. A sort of version of the Danelaw (late 9th century when the Vikings controlled the east and north of the country) without any constraints at all
I don’t think Farage knows what EU scrutiny or regulation is. Has he ever read any of the EU regulations? I have. Does he know why they were created. Get rid of 4000 bits of EU regulation. Which bits?
His wish of Brexit without know what it meant was a clean break 31 March 2019. The ultimate ‘hard Brexit’. Does he know what the outcome would have been? I doubt it. I do. If he has any idea and still wanted that he’s more mad than Charles Manson. | | | |
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