| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:08 - Jun 18 with 5542 views | NthQldITFC |
Make the effort, get out and vote. It's becoming more and more crucial. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:26 - Jun 18 with 5505 views | baxterbasics |
Well that's on the public really. I made this point the other day in another thread. If they can't be bothered to make the effort and scrutinise, it makes it more likely we get crap politicians. Which in turn puts even more people off. Democracy doesn't guarantee a better government - it means you get what you deserve. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:45 - Jun 18 with 5458 views | Pendejo |
Implied Consent
Anyone not voting is effectively giving implied consent to whoever wins any election. Voting is so important, however, those that don't vote also probably don't know what each party is supposed to stand for and is likely to vote for those that are on TV the most.
My Daily Mail / Sun reading uncle, who has lived all his life in social housing is voting Reform despite my having pointed out they are a Limited Company, with Farage effectively a dictator, witness his installation as party leader with vote or any recognisable democratic process.
I guess FPTP is the biggest barrier to voting, as "why bother voting of my voice won't be heard? " [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 8:54]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:45 - Jun 18 with 5462 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:26 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
Well that's on the public really. I made this point the other day in another thread. If they can't be bothered to make the effort and scrutinise, it makes it more likely we get crap politicians. Which in turn puts even more people off. Democracy doesn't guarantee a better government - it means you get what you deserve. |
Democracy creates the illusion you get what you deserve. Reality is we have very little choice, the political agenda and direction the main political parties take will always be shaped by the most powerful interests and not by what is best for the majority of people. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:50 - Jun 18 with 5442 views | Cotty |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:26 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
Well that's on the public really. I made this point the other day in another thread. If they can't be bothered to make the effort and scrutinise, it makes it more likely we get crap politicians. Which in turn puts even more people off. Democracy doesn't guarantee a better government - it means you get what you deserve. |
I reckon that might be the first time I've ever upvoted you! And it was a pleasure. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:53 - Jun 18 with 5417 views | itfcjoe |
People consent by electing to not take part in the process - their choice |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:54 - Jun 18 with 5401 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:45 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Democracy creates the illusion you get what you deserve. Reality is we have very little choice, the political agenda and direction the main political parties take will always be shaped by the most powerful interests and not by what is best for the majority of people. |
The results are already in. The majority don't want any of them. We need a 'NOTA' option on the ballot. (which won't happen because the powers that be know it would win....we should consider ourselves owned just as we always have been.) |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:57 - Jun 18 with 5377 views | baxterbasics |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:50 - Jun 18 by Cotty |
I reckon that might be the first time I've ever upvoted you! And it was a pleasure. |
I'm pretty sure you did previously upvote me. It was around 2004 in a discussion about Skefki Kuqi. I noted it in my journal. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:57 - Jun 18 with 5373 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:53 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe |
People consent by electing to not take part in the process - their choice |
I might agree if there was a none of the above option. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:57 - Jun 18 with 5374 views | Cotty |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:57 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
I'm pretty sure you did previously upvote me. It was around 2004 in a discussion about Skefki Kuqi. I noted it in my journal. |
And have another! X | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:59 - Jun 18 with 5363 views | baxterbasics |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:54 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The results are already in. The majority don't want any of them. We need a 'NOTA' option on the ballot. (which won't happen because the powers that be know it would win....we should consider ourselves owned just as we always have been.) |
There's always the option of spoiling the ballot. If the other 50-ish % did that it would at least send a more powerful message than just not turning up. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:00 - Jun 18 with 5357 views | MattinLondon |
By ‘we’ you mean yourself and the others who can’t be bothered to get off their arses and vote. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jun 18 with 5343 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:00 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon |
By ‘we’ you mean yourself and the others who can’t be bothered to get off their arses and vote. |
Nope. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:07 - Jun 18 with 5315 views | Cotty |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:54 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The results are already in. The majority don't want any of them. We need a 'NOTA' option on the ballot. (which won't happen because the powers that be know it would win....we should consider ourselves owned just as we always have been.) |
You could literally stand as a NOTA candidate. This is just a weak excuse not to engage. | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:08 - Jun 18 with 5304 views | GlasgowBlue |
54% of the country are anarchists. Who knew? |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:10 - Jun 18 with 5290 views | J2BLUE |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:07 - Jun 18 by Cotty |
You could literally stand as a NOTA candidate. This is just a weak excuse not to engage. |
The Sixth Form debating club is for idealistic whinging, not action. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 19:58]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:15 - Jun 18 with 5264 views | GeoffSentence |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:26 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
Well that's on the public really. I made this point the other day in another thread. If they can't be bothered to make the effort and scrutinise, it makes it more likely we get crap politicians. Which in turn puts even more people off. Democracy doesn't guarantee a better government - it means you get what you deserve. |
It's on our system.
For many people it is just not worth bothering, FPTP makes it pointless. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 9:16]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:19 - Jun 18 with 5207 views | MattinLondon |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nope. |
Take responsibility for your actions or inaction. You can’t be bothered to vote and that’s your right. But all this ‘we do not consent’ is childish and pathetic. | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:19 - Jun 18 with 5206 views | positivity |
and that attitude is exactly why the tories are usually in power.
the elderly always vote, the angry mob always vote. if decent people don't vote, we slide towards dictatorship |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:21 - Jun 18 with 5183 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:15 - Jun 18 by GeoffSentence |
It's on our system.
For many people it is just not worth bothering, FPTP makes it pointless. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 9:16]
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Indeed. If you live somewhere where one of the two main parties has a 25k plus majority then there's really not much point in showing up to vote for a party that has zero chance of winning. PR would be an improvement on what we have but I'd rather see more progressive forms of democracy in place, the use of people's assemblies for example to give the public more of an opportunity to directly input into the political agenda and decision making. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:36 - Jun 18 with 5088 views | baxterbasics |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:19 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon |
Take responsibility for your actions or inaction. You can’t be bothered to vote and that’s your right. But all this ‘we do not consent’ is childish and pathetic. |
Agreed!
It's like when people say "not my king / not my PM / not my president" and so on.
Well you might not like it, but yes they are, what are you going to do about it beyond moaning online? | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:38 - Jun 18 with 5070 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:36 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
Agreed!
It's like when people say "not my king / not my PM / not my president" and so on.
Well you might not like it, but yes they are, what are you going to do about it beyond moaning online? |
Are you encouraging people to overthrow the monarchy? | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:01 - Jun 18 with 4982 views | ElephantintheRoom |
That’s the problem with first past the post in virtually all constituencies…. People have all but given up - or dont are either way.
Presumably it’ll go down even further now people have to prove their identity | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:16 - Jun 18 with 4947 views | positivity |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:21 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Indeed. If you live somewhere where one of the two main parties has a 25k plus majority then there's really not much point in showing up to vote for a party that has zero chance of winning. PR would be an improvement on what we have but I'd rather see more progressive forms of democracy in place, the use of people's assemblies for example to give the public more of an opportunity to directly input into the political agenda and decision making. |
good job the voters of mid-bedfordshire didn't listen to you! though i do agree that i'd rather see pr than fptp.
a vote is never wasted, it's built upon year-by-year, parties make decisions on what resources to throw at campaigning in the area.
the greens didn't win their seat in brighton by accident, but after years of building and hard work in local/euro and general elections | |
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