| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 21:57 - Feb 21 with 3415 views | StokieBlue |
Interesting and surprising given that's a Murdoch owned rag with heavy conservative leanings.
Would have thought they were very pro-Trump but I guess he's totally nuts at the moment so everything is up in the air.
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:03 - Feb 21 with 3385 views | Guthrum |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 21:57 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
Interesting and surprising given that's a Murdoch owned rag with heavy conservative leanings.
Would have thought they were very pro-Trump but I guess he's totally nuts at the moment so everything is up in the air.
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But that doesn't necessarily make them all in on being pro-Putin. One thing wanting to MAGA the US, quite another sucking up to foreign autocrats that much.
Plus the MAGA nuts don't consume MSM, so papers have to appeal to a wider constituency to keep the circulation (and revenue) up. Murdoch can see the people abandoning Tesla and X as well as anyone else. |  |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:16 - Feb 21 with 3312 views | StokieBlue |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:03 - Feb 21 by Guthrum |
But that doesn't necessarily make them all in on being pro-Putin. One thing wanting to MAGA the US, quite another sucking up to foreign autocrats that much.
Plus the MAGA nuts don't consume MSM, so papers have to appeal to a wider constituency to keep the circulation (and revenue) up. Murdoch can see the people abandoning Tesla and X as well as anyone else. |
Given they get 150m unique users hit their website every month I don't think you can say MAGAs don't read it. My post was mainly to provide context about the publication.
Their actual paper circulation is very small.
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:18 - Feb 21 with 3290 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 21:57 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
Interesting and surprising given that's a Murdoch owned rag with heavy conservative leanings.
Would have thought they were very pro-Trump but I guess he's totally nuts at the moment so everything is up in the air.
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I think given Trump's almost supersonic revealing of himself as a Russian puppet has alarmed even the most right leaning supporters enough to stop the sneering at poor people and make them take notice.
I'm not sure what Trumps end game is in all of this but surely most Americans are still anti-communist, particularly his older voter base.
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:41 - Feb 21 with 3174 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:18 - Feb 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think given Trump's almost supersonic revealing of himself as a Russian puppet has alarmed even the most right leaning supporters enough to stop the sneering at poor people and make them take notice.
I'm not sure what Trumps end game is in all of this but surely most Americans are still anti-communist, particularly his older voter base.
It's an odd ploy. |
He doesn't have to seek re-election, and, unlike every President in living memory, isn't a "Party Man", so doesn't particularly care if the Republicans are damaged in the longer term by his actions.
Everything he is saying and doing is:
a) moving the Overton window on many policy debates, all at the same time.
And therefore:
b) forcing the "opposition" to constantly explain. And, as Dominic Cummings had as his mantra for the Brexit campaign: "If you're explaining, you're losing."
He has a VERY small window with every branch of the Executive and Legislative
branches locked down, until the next House of Representatives Elections, and, unlike Obama, is going to take advantage and move as quickly as possible to implement as much change as possible in that short timeframe.
And as with Gove's ideologically driven reforms riding off an Austerity agenda, if your policy involves dismantling public services, or the structures that provide them, then it will always ease pressure on public finances (in the medium term) and reduce the tax burden, and can be implemented relatively quickly.
Whereas anybody in the future wanting to reverse such policies has to rebuild delivery structures, which takes time and costs money. So they have to convince the public that it is beneficial in the long term for taxes to rise immediately. Which takes a lot of explaining.
And as Dominic Cummings said:
If you are explaining you are losing.
I am well aware that I have just spent a lot of words explaining what Trump and co's political strategy, and am well aware that I and others on my side of these arguments are very much losing right now. |  | | |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:46 - Feb 21 with 3129 views | Churchman |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:18 - Feb 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think given Trump's almost supersonic revealing of himself as a Russian puppet has alarmed even the most right leaning supporters enough to stop the sneering at poor people and make them take notice.
I'm not sure what Trumps end game is in all of this but surely most Americans are still anti-communist, particularly his older voter base.
It's an odd ploy. |
I doubt it. All the orange one has to do is instruct his useful idiots to keep parroting the lies over and over again and before you know it Putin will get a ticker tape parade and welcome like a prodigal son. It’ll become the truth.
If I was Starmer I wouldn’t waste my time meeting Trump next week. Hopefully I’m wrong but I seriously doubt any good will come of it. |  | | |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:53 - Feb 21 with 3090 views | TractorWood |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:46 - Feb 21 by Churchman |
I doubt it. All the orange one has to do is instruct his useful idiots to keep parroting the lies over and over again and before you know it Putin will get a ticker tape parade and welcome like a prodigal son. It’ll become the truth.
If I was Starmer I wouldn’t waste my time meeting Trump next week. Hopefully I’m wrong but I seriously doubt any good will come of it. |
Starmer will nod along nicely to Trump's lunacy. Given his majority and likely 4 year minimum term, combined with in reality Ukraine is not a high priority issue domestically (as we are a medium size pup on the world stage), he's not in a terrible spot.
Wish he'd reverse the NI increase. I've heard of 3 pals being made redundant in the last 2 weeks as businesses cut cost. |  |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:44 - Feb 21 with 2933 views | J2BLUE |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:46 - Feb 21 by Churchman |
I doubt it. All the orange one has to do is instruct his useful idiots to keep parroting the lies over and over again and before you know it Putin will get a ticker tape parade and welcome like a prodigal son. It’ll become the truth.
If I was Starmer I wouldn’t waste my time meeting Trump next week. Hopefully I’m wrong but I seriously doubt any good will come of it. |
Starmer and Labour have been underwhelming but Starmer is getting too much stick over this issue. To say you wouldn't bother is just nonsense. Global politics is vastly more complex than some people with simple answers seem to think. Starmer has to go for many reasons. Unfortunately Trump is a reality we have to deal with. |  |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:54 - Feb 21 with 2882 views | StokieBlue |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:44 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
Starmer and Labour have been underwhelming but Starmer is getting too much stick over this issue. To say you wouldn't bother is just nonsense. Global politics is vastly more complex than some people with simple answers seem to think. Starmer has to go for many reasons. Unfortunately Trump is a reality we have to deal with. |
I think he deserves quite a bit of stick for saying he's not going to challenge Trump with regards to his comments about Zelenskyy.
The Germans have challenged him, why shouldn't we, as the second largest economy in Europe also challenge him?
Not challenging these people is what leads to the problems.
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:01 - Feb 22 with 2839 views | J2BLUE |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:54 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
I think he deserves quite a bit of stick for saying he's not going to challenge Trump with regards to his comments about Zelenskyy.
The Germans have challenged him, why shouldn't we, as the second largest economy in Europe also challenge him?
Not challenging these people is what leads to the problems.
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I hadn't seen that. Yes, that is not good. | |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:04 - Feb 22 with 2829 views | Oldsmoker |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:18 - Feb 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think given Trump's almost supersonic revealing of himself as a Russian puppet has alarmed even the most right leaning supporters enough to stop the sneering at poor people and make them take notice.
I'm not sure what Trumps end game is in all of this but surely most Americans are still anti-communist, particularly his older voter base.
It's an odd ploy. |
Trump was recruited by KGB in 1987.
His codename was 'Krasnov'.
Irish Star has the story. |  |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:05 - Feb 22 with 2806 views | Churchman |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:44 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
Starmer and Labour have been underwhelming but Starmer is getting too much stick over this issue. To say you wouldn't bother is just nonsense. Global politics is vastly more complex than some people with simple answers seem to think. Starmer has to go for many reasons. Unfortunately Trump is a reality we have to deal with. |
With Trump I don’t think global politics is complex at all. Everybody less powerful than him is to be despised, robbed or ignored. Anyone criticising is targeted. Respect is reserved for the strong, like Putin. The Polish leader will get a good response and be respected because unlike U.K. and France it’s trying to do something to protect itself.
It’s clear Trump loathes Zelenski and Ukraine. Its so called deal is the equivalent of allowing a burglar in your house to steal everything because you hope it’ll put the arsonist off burning it down. For now. What American is demanding pro rata makes the Versailles Treaty on Germany after WW1 look like a generous Christmas gift.
Trump is only just getting started. We should be talking with reliable allies and Europe unpicking 9 years of mess, not grovelling around Trump who will shake this country down much as the US did during and after WW2 only worse if given a chance. | | | |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:17 - Feb 22 with 2764 views | J2BLUE |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:05 - Feb 22 by Churchman |
With Trump I don’t think global politics is complex at all. Everybody less powerful than him is to be despised, robbed or ignored. Anyone criticising is targeted. Respect is reserved for the strong, like Putin. The Polish leader will get a good response and be respected because unlike U.K. and France it’s trying to do something to protect itself.
It’s clear Trump loathes Zelenski and Ukraine. Its so called deal is the equivalent of allowing a burglar in your house to steal everything because you hope it’ll put the arsonist off burning it down. For now. What American is demanding pro rata makes the Versailles Treaty on Germany after WW1 look like a generous Christmas gift.
Trump is only just getting started. We should be talking with reliable allies and Europe unpicking 9 years of mess, not grovelling around Trump who will shake this country down much as the US did during and after WW2 only worse if given a chance. |
Reliable allies like France who are also engaging with Trump?
We would look like a joke to the rest of Europe if Starmer cut all contact. The Polish government have offered Trump a military base there named after him. For Ukraine's sake we have to try and make him see sense however unlikely it might be.
Many in Ukraine support some sort of mineral deal in exchange for meaningful security guarantees. | |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:24 - Feb 22 with 2725 views | Churchman |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:17 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
Reliable allies like France who are also engaging with Trump?
We would look like a joke to the rest of Europe if Starmer cut all contact. The Polish government have offered Trump a military base there named after him. For Ukraine's sake we have to try and make him see sense however unlikely it might be.
Many in Ukraine support some sort of mineral deal in exchange for meaningful security guarantees. |
Macron is trying to engage but is getting nowhere, as is Starmer’s fence sitting.
But you might be right and next week will tell us more. | | | |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:45 - Feb 22 with 2693 views | J2BLUE |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:24 - Feb 22 by Churchman |
Macron is trying to engage but is getting nowhere, as is Starmer’s fence sitting.
But you might be right and next week will tell us more. |
I don't expect much progress but we have to try.
I'm expecting some bluster about continuing to talk but then Trump will go full steam ahead. His criticism of Macron and Starmer is a joke. Like saying they haven't ended a poker game when he's just immediately folding every hand. It's one way to end it but it's not a very clever way. | |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:48 - Feb 22 with 2691 views | WeWereZombies |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:04 - Feb 22 by Oldsmoker |
Trump was recruited by KGB in 1987.
His codename was 'Krasnov'.
Irish Star has the story. |
Ah, so that's what Mandelson is doing as our ambassador in Washington, frightening when he glowers, even more frightening when he's smiley... [Post edited 22 Feb 1:06]
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 01:35 - Feb 22 with 2608 views | ElderGrizzly |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 21:57 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
Interesting and surprising given that's a Murdoch owned rag with heavy conservative leanings.
Would have thought they were very pro-Trump but I guess he's totally nuts at the moment so everything is up in the air.
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The purge continues. Imagine as the Head of the Navy being fired by a Fox News host.
Very dangerous and worrying indeed. Only those who kiss the feet of Trump need apply
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 01:49 - Feb 22 with 2587 views | ElderGrizzly |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 22:46 - Feb 21 by Churchman |
I doubt it. All the orange one has to do is instruct his useful idiots to keep parroting the lies over and over again and before you know it Putin will get a ticker tape parade and welcome like a prodigal son. It’ll become the truth.
If I was Starmer I wouldn’t waste my time meeting Trump next week. Hopefully I’m wrong but I seriously doubt any good will come of it. |
It’s all ok. Water solves everything
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 03:16 - Feb 22 with 2491 views | Ryorry |
Did they mean the photo in the middle, the photos on either side, or both?
Bet that layout's no accident - the paper was probably sailing as close to the wind as it could. Good on 'em. [Post edited 22 Feb 3:47]
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 08:22 - Feb 22 with 2150 views | Plums |
He'll be instructing Starmer to invade the Republic of Ireland this week then [Post edited 22 Feb 8:22]
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 08:37 - Feb 22 with 2091 views | Swansea_Blue |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:04 - Feb 22 by Oldsmoker |
Trump was recruited by KGB in 1987.
His codename was 'Krasnov'.
Irish Star has the story. |
Well he’s doing a good job of weakening his country, which is exactly what Putin would want (see also Boris Johnson, who also long-dodged questions about his links to Russia).
Love it lol |  |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 10:09 - Feb 22 with 1939 views | Guthrum |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:45 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
I don't expect much progress but we have to try.
I'm expecting some bluster about continuing to talk but then Trump will go full steam ahead. His criticism of Macron and Starmer is a joke. Like saying they haven't ended a poker game when he's just immediately folding every hand. It's one way to end it but it's not a very clever way. |
One has to wonder how much the "dealmaker-in-chief" has actually handled negotiations throughout his career, as opposed to having expert underlings sort everything before he floated in to sign the paperwork and pose for photos. Or perhaps his defecit of marbles has come with age.
In any case, there was no social media in the 1980s to expose any wild ramblings in real time. Even celebrity CEOs of the era didn't have the scrutiny a Head of State does nowadays. | |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 10:22 - Feb 22 with 1895 views | Guthrum |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 23:54 - Feb 21 by StokieBlue |
I think he deserves quite a bit of stick for saying he's not going to challenge Trump with regards to his comments about Zelenskyy.
The Germans have challenged him, why shouldn't we, as the second largest economy in Europe also challenge him?
Not challenging these people is what leads to the problems.
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Why challenge Trump about what he said yesterday? It's largely irrelevant to what he thinks today.
He's already reversed his comments from Tuesday about Ukraine starting the war.
It's more about carefully steering the President towards the course you want him to take. Cold-hearted pragmatism, but there is no room for fannying about or standing on principles in bomb-disposal. People are going to get hurt if it goes off. | |
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| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 10:33 - Feb 22 with 1861 views | Churchman |
| New York Post front page This is a Dictator on 00:45 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
I don't expect much progress but we have to try.
I'm expecting some bluster about continuing to talk but then Trump will go full steam ahead. His criticism of Macron and Starmer is a joke. Like saying they haven't ended a poker game when he's just immediately folding every hand. It's one way to end it but it's not a very clever way. |
It’s all opinions and because Trump is nuts, who knows. Certainly not me!
The counter argument is that if Starmer told Trump he’s got business at home and not going to waste his time getting a lecture off him, he might get some respect from the orange idiot. Or a mountain of abuse. Goodness knows.
I was interested to see the BBC clip of Trump publicly abusing that Senator from Maine and essentially threatening her over the implementation of one of his orders. If you wanted to have a conversation like that you’d do it private. But no, it was a piece of show-trialling from Trump.
Not very smart because his short term buzz he will get from the bullying he dished out has a cost to it. The building of enemies and fear. He didn’t have to do that, but then let’s face it his ‘art of the deal’ is a load of cobblers. Giving Russia what they want before you sit down is no deal. Its surrender.
Would Trump have surrendered to Japan after Pearl Harbour? It would have saved millions of lives. Should France and Britain surrendered to the Germans in 1914? It'd have saved millions of lives. No is the answer to both, but the logic is lost on Trump because he’s focussed on admiration and sucking up to his best mate (seeing a profit in it) and robbing a country that was disgracefully attacked, of its resources after his disgusting ‘deal’ (surrender) is now forced upon them. | | | |
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