| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season 10:25 - May 29 with 4799 views | Dubtractor |
Just putting that out there before the next 'i wonder if player xx may have a part to play post'.
I get the romanticism of wanting to see a player do well, but we saw last time round just how punishing the Premier league is, how players need to be near perfect both physically and technically. Our attempt to stay up with the best of the Championship players failed horribly, and there is no chance that the likes of Akpom or Ogbene will be of benefit to us next season.
I don't like the squad churn we'll see again this summer, but it is either that or we just accept we'll come back down again. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:32 - May 29 with 3619 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
100%. We tend to build some sort of emotional attachment to players who have achieved great things at lower levels, and want them to succeed, but the PL is brutal. So for may it's a case of saying thanks but we now need to upgrade.
In another thread I've identified a few players from Europe that would be ambitious signings.......
That's what we need to do to survive. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:39 - May 29 with 3594 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
Agreed. And surely this notion that a player is more suited to the PL than the Championship can't be true.
The only bit I do agree with, is that for a player like Jens, his body can't cope with a 46 game Championship season. But I don't think he could play more than 70 mins in the PL either. |  | | |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:44 - May 29 with 3573 views | Steve_M |
The only slight caveat to that is that we will play in a different way in some matches, not have to deal with every team sitting back and trying to deny us space (just Everton and Hull probably).
I think that's why we did buy Ogbene and Szmodics in the first place, the former hardly played but Szmodics did ok before he got injured.
Not that I expect either of those two to be here by September. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:47 - May 29 with 3546 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Easier this time around in theory, as there's less sentiment around most of our current group. For all of the talk of not being able to let sentiment get in the way of decisions, its easier said than done when players like Morsy and Chaplin had played such a massive part in the back to back promotions.
Respectfully the club doesn't really owe players like Ogbene and Akpom anything, we need to be ruthless if we're to compete in the premier league. |  | | |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:11 - May 29 with 3392 views | Dubtractor |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:44 - May 29 by Steve_M |
The only slight caveat to that is that we will play in a different way in some matches, not have to deal with every team sitting back and trying to deny us space (just Everton and Hull probably).
I think that's why we did buy Ogbene and Szmodics in the first place, the former hardly played but Szmodics did ok before he got injured.
Not that I expect either of those two to be here by September. |
Absolutely, there will be a need for players with specific attributes, but if a player struggles to have an impact in the championship then I can't see them somehow being up to the Premier league. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:16 - May 29 with 3356 views | baxterbasics |
I agree on Akpom or Ogbene. But Delap didn't exactly set the league on fire at Hull before he came to us, also Cajuste seemed to do better in the PL (although we only have one season evidence in either league). |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:23 - May 29 with 3298 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 10:47 - May 29 by _CliveBaker_ |
Easier this time around in theory, as there's less sentiment around most of our current group. For all of the talk of not being able to let sentiment get in the way of decisions, its easier said than done when players like Morsy and Chaplin had played such a massive part in the back to back promotions.
Respectfully the club doesn't really owe players like Ogbene and Akpom anything, we need to be ruthless if we're to compete in the premier league. |
Still lots on sentiment about, people are keen to see Taylor, Hirst etc stay
Sorry but when you look at who other teams have and what it takes to stay up, we need far far better than taylor, hirst and many others, there are still questions around some of our most expensive signings and even if they are good enough for it |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:27 - May 29 with 3284 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:23 - May 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Still lots on sentiment about, people are keen to see Taylor, Hirst etc stay
Sorry but when you look at who other teams have and what it takes to stay up, we need far far better than taylor, hirst and many others, there are still questions around some of our most expensive signings and even if they are good enough for it |
Taylor has the physical ability to compete at Premier League level and he would be a good asset to the squad IMO. Ideally we have 3 or 4 options ahead of him in the middle which would mean we're in a good spot, but he's a handy squad player and in many respects he's more cut out of PL football than most in our squad. | | | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:44 - May 29 with 3195 views | Herbivore |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:27 - May 29 by _CliveBaker_ |
Taylor has the physical ability to compete at Premier League level and he would be a good asset to the squad IMO. Ideally we have 3 or 4 options ahead of him in the middle which would mean we're in a good spot, but he's a handy squad player and in many respects he's more cut out of PL football than most in our squad. |
Yep. Don't think anyone is saying that Hirst and Taylor should be starting every week in the Prem but both are handy squad players. They've got the physicality for the Prem and both did okay in their limited Prem minutes last time around in a struggling side. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:55 - May 29 with 3119 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:44 - May 29 by Herbivore |
Yep. Don't think anyone is saying that Hirst and Taylor should be starting every week in the Prem but both are handy squad players. They've got the physicality for the Prem and both did okay in their limited Prem minutes last time around in a struggling side. |
Hirst has spent the majority of the season being pushed off the ball by championship defenders, IF we get the previous version of hirst he may be a third choice striker option yes, but if we don't then i don't see it
taylor.. can't agree with, we will see, but I just can't see a town side being able to get results if it's relying on bringing on the likes of hirst and taylor in the prem.
But we will see | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:02 - May 29 with 3115 views | StockholmBlue |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:44 - May 29 by Herbivore |
Yep. Don't think anyone is saying that Hirst and Taylor should be starting every week in the Prem but both are handy squad players. They've got the physicality for the Prem and both did okay in their limited Prem minutes last time around in a struggling side. |
I think Hirst has a role to play as second or third choice striker. Taylor on the other hand I do not think so. I do not want to be overly negative about a player that clearly contributed last year, but as a short summary my view is that he lacks very much in technical ability and positioning. People say he has physical attributes; yes he can put in a tackle or lunge for the ball, but he is too slow both in legs and decision making. I think what we saw last year is his ceiling, it is not top championship level but more middle level. Love his attitude but will not be good enough next year. He does not handle being put under pressure very well and Will give the ball away. Sorry if this turned out more negative then my intention. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:17 - May 29 with 3007 views | Herbivore |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:02 - May 29 by StockholmBlue |
I think Hirst has a role to play as second or third choice striker. Taylor on the other hand I do not think so. I do not want to be overly negative about a player that clearly contributed last year, but as a short summary my view is that he lacks very much in technical ability and positioning. People say he has physical attributes; yes he can put in a tackle or lunge for the ball, but he is too slow both in legs and decision making. I think what we saw last year is his ceiling, it is not top championship level but more middle level. Love his attitude but will not be good enough next year. He does not handle being put under pressure very well and Will give the ball away. Sorry if this turned out more negative then my intention. |
Can't agree. I think he looked massively improved last year, he's really learned when to tuck in and cover Leif and when he can push forward. He's kept us ticking over nicely in possession as well and he's looked comfortable on the ball in tight areas. If he hadn't stepped up to the extent that he did we'd have been in big trouble last season as it wasn't happening for Cajuste or Neil once he joined. I wouldn't expect Taylor to be anything more than cover, probably fourth choice, but I'd be more than happy with him in that slot next season. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:26 - May 29 with 2921 views | nrb1985 |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:44 - May 29 by Herbivore |
Yep. Don't think anyone is saying that Hirst and Taylor should be starting every week in the Prem but both are handy squad players. They've got the physicality for the Prem and both did okay in their limited Prem minutes last time around in a struggling side. |
PL suits Hirst's game far more than facing a championship low block also IMO.
He would be fine for me as a 3rd choice. Didn't let anyone down last time. | | | |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:30 - May 29 with 2903 views | StockholmBlue |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:17 - May 29 by Herbivore |
Can't agree. I think he looked massively improved last year, he's really learned when to tuck in and cover Leif and when he can push forward. He's kept us ticking over nicely in possession as well and he's looked comfortable on the ball in tight areas. If he hadn't stepped up to the extent that he did we'd have been in big trouble last season as it wasn't happening for Cajuste or Neil once he joined. I wouldn't expect Taylor to be anything more than cover, probably fourth choice, but I'd be more than happy with him in that slot next season. |
It´s OK, we can have different views on this. I will be very nervous everytime/or the times he enters the pitch.
I think the position next to Matusiwa was our weakest point last year, togehter with the striker position and the number 10 position. If it wasnt for Matusiwa we would have struggled to even reach the playoffs. Cajuste didnt hit his potential for various reasons, Taylor even if he improved compared to previous years just was not good enough for a top half club, Neil did not make any big impression. This is a key area where we really need to invest if we want to survive in the PL. And btw I am not convinced Matusiwa will reach the levels required - but he should obviously be kept on. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:32 - May 29 with 2883 views | Herbivore |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:30 - May 29 by StockholmBlue |
It´s OK, we can have different views on this. I will be very nervous everytime/or the times he enters the pitch.
I think the position next to Matusiwa was our weakest point last year, togehter with the striker position and the number 10 position. If it wasnt for Matusiwa we would have struggled to even reach the playoffs. Cajuste didnt hit his potential for various reasons, Taylor even if he improved compared to previous years just was not good enough for a top half club, Neil did not make any big impression. This is a key area where we really need to invest if we want to survive in the PL. And btw I am not convinced Matusiwa will reach the levels required - but he should obviously be kept on. |
Taylor wasn't good enough for a top half club and yet he made 39 appearances for a team that finished second. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:54 - May 29 with 2792 views | itfcjoe |
Only time is players on different parts of development arc, but the "he'll be better in a higher league" stuff just is no longer true; the step up is too big |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:54 - May 29 with 2789 views | Dubtractor |
Just for clarity, as discussion has moved on a bit, I was referring to players who didn't feature much here last season, or who went on loan and didn't impress, rather than those who played here and some don't rate. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 13:27 - May 29 with 2607 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
I think people forget that Ogbene did well for a struggling Luton in the PL, and since then hasn't had the opportunity to really show what he's capable of.
Hard to judge him on the 240 minutes he played for us before he got injured, but he did do well at SheffU when he first joined them - played every game before his injury, and was one of their better performing players. When he came back from injury, there was no place for him in his favoured position, and again didn't really have a chance to show what he may be capable of.
A lot depends on who else we get in, but he could be a very capable squad player - athletic and a unit, which is what we need in the PL. Having said that, his age is against him and he has been out a lot with injuries over the past 2 years. I do expect him to move on, but feel it's hard to judge him on the past 2 years stop-start involvement. | | | |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 13:43 - May 29 with 2532 views | hype313 |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 12:26 - May 29 by nrb1985 |
PL suits Hirst's game far more than facing a championship low block also IMO.
He would be fine for me as a 3rd choice. Didn't let anyone down last time. |
He didn't, but he's not going to help us hugely in the PL, he's probably at his peak value age wise, and wouldn't be surprised if a Championship club came in for him.
The conundrum is do you take potentially £4-5m and reinvest in a 3rd choice unknown or stick with George?
If he's happy to play 3rd fiddle then keep him, as he knows McKenna's playbook, but he might want to go out and play regular football, something he won't get here. |  |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:04 - May 29 with 2468 views | nrb1985 |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 13:43 - May 29 by hype313 |
He didn't, but he's not going to help us hugely in the PL, he's probably at his peak value age wise, and wouldn't be surprised if a Championship club came in for him.
The conundrum is do you take potentially £4-5m and reinvest in a 3rd choice unknown or stick with George?
If he's happy to play 3rd fiddle then keep him, as he knows McKenna's playbook, but he might want to go out and play regular football, something he won't get here. |
How much are you expecting the third choice striker to help in general? | | | |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:14 - May 29 with 2422 views | hype313 |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:04 - May 29 by nrb1985 |
How much are you expecting the third choice striker to help in general? |
Well, ideally not much, if recruitment goes right and we get lucky with availability, then we shouldn't have to rely too much on a 3rd choice. Which means if he's happy to stay under those circumstances then great, but he might want to go and play regular football. | |
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:17 - May 29 with 2410 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Just as an example though there’s players that are good enough in the championship that won’t be good enough next year! A lot of people seem comfortable going into the season with Walton and Palmer!
I love Christian Walton and what he’s done for us in the EFL campaigns but if fans are comfortable with him being number 1 a team that is going to be spending considerable amount of time on the back foot in the best league in the world I think they’re fairly deluded.
The clean sheets look great against 0.2XG v Stoke and Swansea at home but it will, as well all know be a very different story next year. Will be under a tone of pressure and I don’t think either of them are close to PL standards in a team with ambitions of staying up. Both with their feet or with shot stopping from distance. Decent championship keepers but we need better.
I get we were burnt with Muric but we have to find better, rather than just signing a keeper based off data from another English relegated side.
This is exactly what Forest done with Matz Sels and Sunderland with Roefs. Leeds as well.
Even in arguably our strongest position of the pitch I don’t think we are completely set on our left hand side going into the Prem. Davis plays very high and gets caught out defensively and Clarke and Philogene aren’t sometimes best defensively. There’s just so much work to do across the park. [Post edited 29 May 14:19]
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:21 - May 29 with 2392 views | jayessess |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:23 - May 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Still lots on sentiment about, people are keen to see Taylor, Hirst etc stay
Sorry but when you look at who other teams have and what it takes to stay up, we need far far better than taylor, hirst and many others, there are still questions around some of our most expensive signings and even if they are good enough for it |
Think if you could wave a magic wand and upgrade every single player in the squad you would, but that isn't the situation.
A lot of this comes down to what is a judicious use of limited resources. If you've got a budget of £150m and you spend it on 10 players, they should be better than what you'll get if you spend it on 15.
To add:
Of the 25 players we had registered for the second half of this season, we have:
3 loan players returning to parent clubs (Cajuste, Azon, Neil)
4 players out of contract (Button, Townsend, Young, Burns)
3 who are almost certainly out of the picture (Palmer, Baggott, Akpom)
That's 10 spots to fill just for a complete squad. [Post edited 29 May 14:29]
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:29 - May 29 with 2349 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 11:55 - May 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Hirst has spent the majority of the season being pushed off the ball by championship defenders, IF we get the previous version of hirst he may be a third choice striker option yes, but if we don't then i don't see it
taylor.. can't agree with, we will see, but I just can't see a town side being able to get results if it's relying on bringing on the likes of hirst and taylor in the prem.
But we will see |
You aren't relying on them in the Prem though, they are just squad players. We've done something badly wrong in the market if either of those are contributing any more than 15-20 mins off the bench here and there throughout the season. Realistically we probably have 3/4 players on our books currently that will start 30+ PL games next season but there is going to be another 8-10 that will have to contribute in some way with 12/13 new signings coming in. [Post edited 29 May 14:30]
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| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:31 - May 29 with 2334 views | jayessess |
| Players not good enough in the Championship won't be good enough next season on 14:29 - May 29 by tractorboy1978 |
You aren't relying on them in the Prem though, they are just squad players. We've done something badly wrong in the market if either of those are contributing any more than 15-20 mins off the bench here and there throughout the season. Realistically we probably have 3/4 players on our books currently that will start 30+ PL games next season but there is going to be another 8-10 that will have to contribute in some way with 12/13 new signings coming in. [Post edited 29 May 14:30]
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Yeah, there's a lot of chat about squad players not being good enough. Reality is if we take as many injuries as we did in 2024-25, we've no chance of staying up. You need most of your best XI available most of the time to be anywhere near it. | |
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