| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... 13:37 - Apr 24 with 3101 views | itfcjoe |
....and the final 4 left on Evans shortlist were
Jack Ross
Paul Hurst
Graham Potter
Frank Lampard
I why we ended up with Hurst out of that. Was it preference, or were we outmanoeuvred (Ross)? Couldn't agree terms/budgets with them (Lampard)?
Interestingly all 4 are no longer in the same job - but for wildly different reasons |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:42 - Apr 24 with 2564 views | footers |
Seem to remember money being an issue with Lampard, but not sure on the source of that. Money in terms of resources to spend, rather than his wage.
At the time us and Sunderland were about neck and neck for Ross, weren't we? Think the St Mirren site mentioned Sunderland being more preferable for geographic reasons.
P.S. Fowler would have been interesting! [Post edited 24 Apr 2020 13:42]
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:43 - Apr 24 with 2544 views | Herbivore |
I'm not sure Ross would have been any better than Hurst. Lampard on our budget is a different kettle of fish to what he had at his disposal at Derby so it's hard to know how that would have panned out. Better than it did I suspect though. Potter would have been a good appointment, didn't realise he was ever seriously in the frame. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:44 - Apr 24 with 2539 views | itfcjoe |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:42 - Apr 24 by footers |
Seem to remember money being an issue with Lampard, but not sure on the source of that. Money in terms of resources to spend, rather than his wage.
At the time us and Sunderland were about neck and neck for Ross, weren't we? Think the St Mirren site mentioned Sunderland being more preferable for geographic reasons.
P.S. Fowler would have been interesting! [Post edited 24 Apr 2020 13:42]
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I think we were waiting to talk to Hurst before confirming Ross, who I'd heard had become the favourite, and then the Sunderland interest came out of nowhere with the new owners and blindsided us and they committed to him quickly and we were stuffed.
He'll get criticism for his spell at Sunderland, but fine margins from a promotion/checkatrade double to nothing - 80 odd points last season and left them in 4th this year when sacked | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:44 - Apr 24 with 2537 views | JakeITFC |
Surprised Potter even considered us tbh, disappointed for him to have got that far and not be picked. |  | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:44 - Apr 24 with 2530 views | NotSure |
I reckon the other 3 turned us down and there was only Hurst left.
I remember Kuqi applying as well. We could not have done worse. |  | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:46 - Apr 24 with 2521 views | Lord_Lucan |
As Harry himself said
"I don't think Ipswich can afford a Lampard"
FWIW I would have had any of them except Hurst. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:47 - Apr 24 with 2513 views | LankHenners |
You could argue of the four, Hurst best fitted the 'young, up-and-coming, lower league' manager which there seemed plenty of appetite for from fans and Evans wanted.
It felt at the time like Hurst was the number 1 target all along and we were just waiting for him to become available which perhaps blinkered the thinking when it came to looking at other candidates somewhat. Not to start accusations, but given Potter's known man-management ability and the way Hurst managed to fall out with a lot of the squad in such a short space of time, it does throw up a question as to how thorough the background research into their characters was. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:48 - Apr 24 with 2495 views | footers |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:47 - Apr 24 by LankHenners |
You could argue of the four, Hurst best fitted the 'young, up-and-coming, lower league' manager which there seemed plenty of appetite for from fans and Evans wanted.
It felt at the time like Hurst was the number 1 target all along and we were just waiting for him to become available which perhaps blinkered the thinking when it came to looking at other candidates somewhat. Not to start accusations, but given Potter's known man-management ability and the way Hurst managed to fall out with a lot of the squad in such a short space of time, it does throw up a question as to how thorough the background research into their characters was. |
To add to that, it showed the kind of dedication Hurst had by clearing his desk before the play-offs with Shrewsbury, so not really the kind of character Town have usually gone for as manager. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:50 - Apr 24 with 2480 views | itfcjoe |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:47 - Apr 24 by LankHenners |
You could argue of the four, Hurst best fitted the 'young, up-and-coming, lower league' manager which there seemed plenty of appetite for from fans and Evans wanted.
It felt at the time like Hurst was the number 1 target all along and we were just waiting for him to become available which perhaps blinkered the thinking when it came to looking at other candidates somewhat. Not to start accusations, but given Potter's known man-management ability and the way Hurst managed to fall out with a lot of the squad in such a short space of time, it does throw up a question as to how thorough the background research into their characters was. |
Once Shrewsbury went into the play offs I personally think Hurst should have been out of the running - that's harsh but the timelines just don't work.
We had a vacancy from Good Friday and didn't have a maner in place until effectively the middle of June | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:51 - Apr 24 with 2454 views | patrickswell |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:46 - Apr 24 by Lord_Lucan |
As Harry himself said
"I don't think Ipswich can afford a Lampard"
FWIW I would have had any of them except Hurst. |
Hurst was worth a punt at the time based on the fact that he had a record of leaving clubs in better positions than when he joined them.
Whenever I see the lists of people that were on the shortlist alongside him, all I can think is, “How many of them would have alienated everyone at the club by the end of their first week?” |  | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:52 - Apr 24 with 2439 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:43 - Apr 24 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure Ross would have been any better than Hurst. Lampard on our budget is a different kettle of fish to what he had at his disposal at Derby so it's hard to know how that would have panned out. Better than it did I suspect though. Potter would have been a good appointment, didn't realise he was ever seriously in the frame. |
I don't think Ross would have been so quick to rip up a Championship team and replace them with League One players. But that is just a gut feeling. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:52 - Apr 24 with 2431 views | homer_123 |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:51 - Apr 24 by patrickswell |
Hurst was worth a punt at the time based on the fact that he had a record of leaving clubs in better positions than when he joined them.
Whenever I see the lists of people that were on the shortlist alongside him, all I can think is, “How many of them would have alienated everyone at the club by the end of their first week?” |
We were already alienated. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:52 - Apr 24 with 2421 views | homer_123 |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:44 - Apr 24 by JakeITFC |
Surprised Potter even considered us tbh, disappointed for him to have got that far and not be picked. |
I suspect that, as with Lampard, we couldn't afford Potter. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:54 - Apr 24 with 2405 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:44 - Apr 24 by JakeITFC |
Surprised Potter even considered us tbh, disappointed for him to have got that far and not be picked. |
My thoughts exactly. Some people will say hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he had been doing a really good job at Ostersunds for a few years. Shame really, out of those final 4, he probably would've been my pick. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:54 - Apr 24 with 2396 views | patrickswell |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:52 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
We were already alienated. |
Who? The fans or the players/staff? | | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:55 - Apr 24 with 2388 views | homer_123 |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:54 - Apr 24 by patrickswell |
Who? The fans or the players/staff? |
Pretty much everyone. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:55 - Apr 24 with 2387 views | footers |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:52 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
We were already alienated. |
But Hurst didn't call us sh1t and say we were only interested in money. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:57 - Apr 24 with 2373 views | homer_123 |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:54 - Apr 24 by Kieran_Knows |
My thoughts exactly. Some people will say hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he had been doing a really good job at Ostersunds for a few years. Shame really, out of those final 4, he probably would've been my pick. |
8 years - European football and taken the team from nowhere to the top.
We may well have picked him but my sense is we could neither afford him nor we were his first choice. As shown by the Swansea appointment. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:59 - Apr 24 with 2354 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:57 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
8 years - European football and taken the team from nowhere to the top.
We may well have picked him but my sense is we could neither afford him nor we were his first choice. As shown by the Swansea appointment. |
Strange for him to get down to the last 4 if we couldn't afford him, no? Surely we'd have had an idea of what eh was looking for to get that far in the interview process?
Didn't he have to go in to Swansea and slash their wage bill by a huge amount also? No doubt they'd have had more money, but he had to get rid of plenty high earners there.
As I say, just a shame really. | |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:03 - Apr 24 with 2328 views | patrickswell |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:55 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
Pretty much everyone. |
I think Hurst might well have suspected a complacent culture at the club (starting from the boardroom down). Had he been able to present a positive vision to his existing squad of what he wanted to achieve, he may have got somewhere. Instead, he came in on a war footing and allied that to a raft of terrible signings shafted himself and us. | | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:05 - Apr 24 with 2315 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 13:43 - Apr 24 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure Ross would have been any better than Hurst. Lampard on our budget is a different kettle of fish to what he had at his disposal at Derby so it's hard to know how that would have panned out. Better than it did I suspect though. Potter would have been a good appointment, didn't realise he was ever seriously in the frame. |
If Potter was interested in us when he was looking to come back to the UK and we prioritised Hurst instead, ME needs his head read. He's ideally suited to the development of talent, which is what ME is supposedly all in favour of. Gets teams playing football, which is supposedly one of the other points on Evan's 'plan'.
We've no idea if there was genuine interest, but if there was it would be peak Evans. And another example of why we've headed downwards under him. |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:08 - Apr 24 with 2302 views | Keno |
I remember listening to Steve Claridge talking about when he was a Portsmouth someone applied for the managers job by sending in his complete Champ Man history detailing how he had Portsmuth winning the Champs League
Maybe that's what Paul Wurst did? |  |
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| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:19 - Apr 24 with 2226 views | patrickswell |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:08 - Apr 24 by Keno |
I remember listening to Steve Claridge talking about when he was a Portsmouth someone applied for the managers job by sending in his complete Champ Man history detailing how he had Portsmuth winning the Champs League
Maybe that's what Paul Wurst did? |
Ha! Maybe, but it bears repeating that Hurst’s career up to joining us was one of slow, steady build-up. He ticked a lot of boxes.
I’ve come to the conclusion that he panicked about whether the squad would accept him, so chose to come in aggressively - a variation of things he had done at Shrewsbury when they were in a relegation battle and a way of trying to assess characters he could work with or not. The fact that communication between himself and other coaches already here was virtually non-exsistent seems to suggest that the job was too big for him. | | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:45 - Apr 24 with 2123 views | Chutney |
Re. Lampard it seems surprising to me that someone can get far enough in the process that they're shortlisted in the final 4 before it becomes apparent that we're worlds away by way of budget / expectations. |  | | |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 15:04 - Apr 24 with 2044 views | patrickswell |
| Robbie Fowler applied for the Town job according to the EADT... on 14:45 - Apr 24 by Chutney |
Re. Lampard it seems surprising to me that someone can get far enough in the process that they're shortlisted in the final 4 before it becomes apparent that we're worlds away by way of budget / expectations. |
It’s also possible that having had his fingers burnt by Keane, Evans may have not been too disappointed to miss out on an illustrious player moving into management. | | | |
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