| What’s next lads? 13:27 - Oct 4 with 1863 views | chicoazul |
David Walliams: 'Harmful' Chinese character removed from children's book https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58786769
Hope these guys don’t read any Dickens any time soon. Although if this is about basically annoying David Walliams then I’m all for it. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:31 - Oct 4 with 1491 views | Ftnfwest |
oh well at least bertha the blubberer made the cut! |  | | |
| What’s next lads? on 13:35 - Oct 4 with 1453 views | Darth_Koont |
What’s next?
Progress. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:39 - Oct 4 with 1429 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 13:35 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
What’s next?
Progress. |
Do you think this is an example of progress? | |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:40 - Oct 4 with 1427 views | JakeITFC |
Can't even peddle racial stereotypes in children's literature these days.
Game has well and truly gone. |  | | |
| What’s next lads? on 13:43 - Oct 4 with 1369 views | Darth_Koont |
| What’s next lads? on 13:39 - Oct 4 by chicoazul |
Do you think this is an example of progress? |
Yes, I certainly do.
You cling onto your Golly doll and your Jim Davidson VHS. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:45 - Oct 4 with 1337 views | Keno |
| What’s next lads? on 13:43 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, I certainly do.
You cling onto your Golly doll and your Jim Davidson VHS. |
apparently BBC have decided against the remake of Muffin The Mule |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:49 - Oct 4 with 1299 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 13:43 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, I certainly do.
You cling onto your Golly doll and your Jim Davidson VHS. |
So we’re going to go through every work of literature to find examples of racism and editorialise them so that nobody gets upset? That seems dumb and not very progressive at all. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:49 - Oct 4 with 1300 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What’s next lads? on 13:35 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
What’s next?
Progress. |
Are you the same bloke who didn't see any issues with portraying Jewish bankers as having hooked noses whilst playing up to racial stereotypes of Jews running the world? |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:52 - Oct 4 with 1259 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 13:40 - Oct 4 by JakeITFC |
Can't even peddle racial stereotypes in children's literature these days.
Game has well and truly gone. |
Racial stereotypes are bad. Redacting or changing art seems dumb to me. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:52 - Oct 4 with 1255 views | LankHenners |
Didn't realise Dickens had written something new. Quite the hiatus. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:52 - Oct 4 with 1258 views | mutters |
Your comparison with Dickens is bonkers.
Dickens was around early to mid 19th century where those types of stereotypes were part of the era. Walliams wrote these books 5 years or so ago and should have known better. He is living in much more enlightened times than Dickens. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:55 - Oct 4 with 1215 views | galacticoblue |
| What’s next lads? on 13:31 - Oct 4 by Ftnfwest |
oh well at least bertha the blubberer made the cut! |
yes its ok to be badged as a blubberer because she is English. |  | | |
| What’s next lads? on 13:56 - Oct 4 with 1203 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 13:52 - Oct 4 by mutters |
Your comparison with Dickens is bonkers.
Dickens was around early to mid 19th century where those types of stereotypes were part of the era. Walliams wrote these books 5 years or so ago and should have known better. He is living in much more enlightened times than Dickens. |
I completely agree. Art is a product of its’ time and the artist (or in this case the person who puts their name to it) is too. But where does it end now? Do we say everything artistic past a certain watershed say within the last 5 years to use your example is fair game to be changed editorialised redacted and adjusted? | |
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| What’s next lads? on 13:58 - Oct 4 with 1162 views | Darth_Koont |
| What’s next lads? on 13:49 - Oct 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you the same bloke who didn't see any issues with portraying Jewish bankers as having hooked noses whilst playing up to racial stereotypes of Jews running the world? |
Correction: I didn’t have a problem with a cartoonish collection of famous rich old white men, a couple of whom were Jewish.
You took that as a statement about Jews?! I bet you have a problem with people complaining about bankers too. Or at least would try to spin it into an accusation if there was a political gain. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 14:02 - Oct 4 with 1111 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What’s next lads? on 13:58 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
Correction: I didn’t have a problem with a cartoonish collection of famous rich old white men, a couple of whom were Jewish.
You took that as a statement about Jews?! I bet you have a problem with people complaining about bankers too. Or at least would try to spin it into an accusation if there was a political gain. |
Bollox. 5th post down.
Oh Jeremy..... by Steve_M 23 Mar 2018 19:39It's been known about for a while, this chap even wrote a pertinent blog about it:
https://medium.com/@twlldun/the-socialism-of-fools-cb3426fc10bf
At the very best Corbyn is blind to anti-Semitism, that's not an ideal position for a prospective Prime Minister, but he is quite prepared to indulge it in people he thinks are on the 'right side'.
You defend some racial stereotypes but condemn others. Rank hypocrite. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 14:03 - Oct 4 with 1105 views | galacticoblue |
| What’s next lads? on 13:55 - Oct 4 by galacticoblue |
yes its ok to be badged as a blubberer because she is English. |
but then there is the sexism angle. Maybe Bertha should be banned after all  | | | |
| What’s next lads? on 14:11 - Oct 4 with 1055 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 14:02 - Oct 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Bollox. 5th post down.
Oh Jeremy..... by Steve_M 23 Mar 2018 19:39It's been known about for a while, this chap even wrote a pertinent blog about it:
https://medium.com/@twlldun/the-socialism-of-fools-cb3426fc10bf
At the very best Corbyn is blind to anti-Semitism, that's not an ideal position for a prospective Prime Minister, but he is quite prepared to indulge it in people he thinks are on the 'right side'.
You defend some racial stereotypes but condemn others. Rank hypocrite. |
Wow. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 14:18 - Oct 4 with 1019 views | Herbivore |
| What’s next lads? on 13:56 - Oct 4 by chicoazul |
I completely agree. Art is a product of its’ time and the artist (or in this case the person who puts their name to it) is too. But where does it end now? Do we say everything artistic past a certain watershed say within the last 5 years to use your example is fair game to be changed editorialised redacted and adjusted? |
It's not art, it's a kids' book. And it was written a few years ago, not when workhouses were all the rage. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 14:24 - Oct 4 with 949 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 14:18 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
It's not art, it's a kids' book. And it was written a few years ago, not when workhouses were all the rage. |
That’s all correct. It seems mind numbingly bad, although given Walliams’ history with for eg black face not surprising. Lots of children’s books contain stereotypes of all kinds. The Tiger Who Came For Tea has a housewife and a dad who is at work while his family are at home. I’m not saying it’s the same exact thing and equivocating that with clumsy stupid racial stereotypes. But some people will think it is.
Edit; it is art though. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 14:25]
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| What’s next lads? on 14:39 - Oct 4 with 867 views | jontysnut |
| What’s next lads? on 13:45 - Oct 4 by Keno |
apparently BBC have decided against the remake of Muffin The Mule |
I'm partial to Noggin the Nog. |  | | |
| What’s next lads? on 14:59 - Oct 4 with 811 views | Darth_Koont |
| What’s next lads? on 13:49 - Oct 4 by chicoazul |
So we’re going to go through every work of literature to find examples of racism and editorialise them so that nobody gets upset? That seems dumb and not very progressive at all. |
Don’t be silly.
But a popular, modern children’s book still being reprinted? Yes, why not? | |
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| What’s next lads? on 15:00 - Oct 4 with 798 views | Darth_Koont |
| What’s next lads? on 14:02 - Oct 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Bollox. 5th post down.
Oh Jeremy..... by Steve_M 23 Mar 2018 19:39It's been known about for a while, this chap even wrote a pertinent blog about it:
https://medium.com/@twlldun/the-socialism-of-fools-cb3426fc10bf
At the very best Corbyn is blind to anti-Semitism, that's not an ideal position for a prospective Prime Minister, but he is quite prepared to indulge it in people he thinks are on the 'right side'.
You defend some racial stereotypes but condemn others. Rank hypocrite. |
Stop being a twerp. | |
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| What’s next lads? on 15:03 - Oct 4 with 775 views | Wallingford_Boy |
You = below average. |  |
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| What’s next lads? on 15:07 - Oct 4 with 734 views | chicoazul |
| What’s next lads? on 14:59 - Oct 4 by Darth_Koont |
Don’t be silly.
But a popular, modern children’s book still being reprinted? Yes, why not? |
So popular is one of your criteria for scrutiny and change. How popular? How many should a book containing stereotypes be allowed to sell before it needs to be changed?
Modern is another. How modern? Last 15 years? Last 20?
Children’s book is another. Who decides if a book is exclusively for children or only partly? Do we establish a committee for deciding this? Or should we leave it to you? | |
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| What’s next lads? on 15:18 - Oct 4 with 686 views | mutters |
| What’s next lads? on 13:56 - Oct 4 by chicoazul |
I completely agree. Art is a product of its’ time and the artist (or in this case the person who puts their name to it) is too. But where does it end now? Do we say everything artistic past a certain watershed say within the last 5 years to use your example is fair game to be changed editorialised redacted and adjusted? |
5 years ago the use of racial stereotyping would have been as wrong as it would be today. Going back 150+ years is very different.
In principle, I agree, you shouldn't go back and rewrite history as they reflect the time and also can be used to educate. However in this case we are talking 5 years and it's as wrong then as it is today. I Am amazed that it got through the publisher's review.
Also Mr Walliams has form in this, especially with some of his Little Britain sketches, which both he and Matt Lucas have apologised for. | |
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