| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then 16:27 - Jan 4 with 3155 views | Steve_M |
Thread here:
In case you don't read it all, do read the last tweet:
Classy. [Post edited 4 Jan 2022 16:27]
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 16:29 - Jan 4 with 3079 views | J2BLUE |
Making himself look great here. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 16:34 - Jan 4 with 3043 views | footers |
Clearly the defence of an innocent man.
Deary me. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 17:14 - Jan 4 with 2882 views | homer_123 |
He absolutely must be tried for this. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 17:16 - Jan 4 with 2864 views | footers |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 17:14 - Jan 4 by homer_123 |
He absolutely must be tried for this. |
And now give us Sacoolas. 2022, make this happen. | |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:20 - Jan 4 with 2635 views | MattinLondon |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 16:29 - Jan 4 by J2BLUE |
Making himself look great here. |
If they want him tried in a US court would a UK court or government allow that? |  | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:35 - Jan 4 with 2567 views | Mullet |
Absolute bunch of scum there. Imagine selling your soul to argue on behalf of some silver spoon that child abuse victims should be treated this way.
Given the stuff that came out post Saville regarding the upper echelons of society I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being a race for justice, before more people connected to this Epstein ring die old and unpunished. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:40 - Jan 4 with 2538 views | ZXBlue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:20 - Jan 4 by MattinLondon |
If they want him tried in a US court would a UK court or government allow that? |
Its a civil claim so not an extradiction issue I would think. They will just proceed in his absence. |  | | |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:40 - Jan 4 with 2534 views | jeera |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:35 - Jan 4 by Mullet |
Absolute bunch of scum there. Imagine selling your soul to argue on behalf of some silver spoon that child abuse victims should be treated this way.
Given the stuff that came out post Saville regarding the upper echelons of society I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being a race for justice, before more people connected to this Epstein ring die old and unpunished. |
Vapour Trail got a load of grief for saying this quite some times ago.
Remarkable looking back that these people actually thought they were mocking him for the suggestion at the time. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:46 - Jan 4 with 2496 views | lowhouseblue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:40 - Jan 4 by jeera |
Vapour Trail got a load of grief for saying this quite some times ago.
Remarkable looking back that these people actually thought they were mocking him for the suggestion at the time. |
i think vapour trail was rightly criticised for pushing nonsense about operation midland and the westminster fakery associated with 'nick'. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 19:04 - Jan 4 with 2419 views | HARRY10 |
Where I might differ with that excellent piece is the thought
I can’t help feeling those hoping Ghislaine will name names for clemency are being pretty optimistic. Given that Ghislaine believes Epstein was murdered in jail, as opposed to killing himself, it seems unlikely she would expose herself to what she would presumably regard as a likely similar fate, should she begin singing like a canary.
Ince it was known that she was ready to 'spill the beans' the security would be even tighter than know.
Whereas she must know that while she is still alive she carries the threat of being able to name names- with all the inevitable consequences. That would doom her to either 24 hour lockdown, or taking her chances with a lightly more relaxed imprisonment.
Either option does nor bode well, | | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:14 - Jan 4 with 2174 views | factual_blue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:40 - Jan 4 by ZXBlue |
Its a civil claim so not an extradiction issue I would think. They will just proceed in his absence. |
He might agree to a video link and promptly take the Fifth. It might possible that 'negative inferences' can be legitimately drawn from doing so in a civil case, whereas they can't be in criminal cases. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:27 - Jan 4 with 2095 views | HARRY10 |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 18:35 - Jan 4 by Mullet |
Absolute bunch of scum there. Imagine selling your soul to argue on behalf of some silver spoon that child abuse victims should be treated this way.
Given the stuff that came out post Saville regarding the upper echelons of society I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being a race for justice, before more people connected to this Epstein ring die old and unpunished. |
That's a pretty slippery slope to embark on. One which would bring the whole judicial system into question.
There cannot be a situation where those found guilty have no legal representation - however repugnant their alleged crimes might be.
Where would it end ? | | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:34 - Jan 4 with 2055 views | WicklowBlue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:27 - Jan 4 by HARRY10 |
That's a pretty slippery slope to embark on. One which would bring the whole judicial system into question.
There cannot be a situation where those found guilty have no legal representation - however repugnant their alleged crimes might be.
Where would it end ? |
For example the French Legal system can:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/french-court-finds-ian-bailey-guil
Bailey declined to represent himself. |  | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:49 - Jan 4 with 2006 views | HARRY10 |
That has nothing to do with what I stated
And your point falls down with
"Speaking from Cork after the verdict, Mr Bailey’s solicitor, Frank Buttimer " | | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 21:06 - Jan 4 with 1949 views | WicklowBlue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 20:49 - Jan 4 by HARRY10 |
That has nothing to do with what I stated
And your point falls down with
"Speaking from Cork after the verdict, Mr Bailey’s solicitor, Frank Buttimer " |
Agree it has nothing to do with PA and this case.
However French Courts can try and sentence you in absentia. Bailey had no legal representation at the hearings despite being invited several times, so my point doesn't fall down as you say. Buttimer was commenting on the French Legal system from Ireland....Anyhow that case is separate and worthy at some stage of its own thread.
It was just an example of how some legal cases can proceed without the defendant being represented. | | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 23:06 - Jan 4 with 1784 views | solomon |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 17:16 - Jan 4 by footers |
And now give us Sacoolas. 2022, make this happen. |
I agree but the US view us as pathetic little lap dogs and have zero intention of letting us have her. |  | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 23:24 - Jan 4 with 1743 views | loftboy |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 23:06 - Jan 4 by solomon |
I agree but the US view us as pathetic little lap dogs and have zero intention of letting us have her. |
Surely if Andrew is innocent then he’d have no problem going to court and arguing his case, all he is doing is digging himself a bigger hole. [Post edited 4 Jan 2022 23:25]
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 09:55 - Jan 5 with 1490 views | brazil1982 |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 23:24 - Jan 4 by loftboy |
Surely if Andrew is innocent then he’d have no problem going to court and arguing his case, all he is doing is digging himself a bigger hole. [Post edited 4 Jan 2022 23:25]
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Is it known why the defendant is not pursuing a criminal complaint/action? Why a civil one? |  | | |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:01 - Jan 5 with 1455 views | Radlett_blue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 09:55 - Jan 5 by brazil1982 |
Is it known why the defendant is not pursuing a criminal complaint/action? Why a civil one? |
I think there is a 5 year statutory limitation so this is timed out. The #1 villain, Epstein, managed to get off with a dubious plea bargain from the serious criminal activity with which he had been charged, after using expensive lawyers. This also involved paying Giuffe $500k, with a non disclosure agreement thrown in. While I think Andrew has behaved badly & stupidly, I also think Giuffre is pursuing him in the hope of another pay-off. Tough call for Andrew if he (or his mum) coughs up as that will make him appear even more guilty. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:10 - Jan 5 with 1412 views | bluelagos |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:01 - Jan 5 by Radlett_blue |
I think there is a 5 year statutory limitation so this is timed out. The #1 villain, Epstein, managed to get off with a dubious plea bargain from the serious criminal activity with which he had been charged, after using expensive lawyers. This also involved paying Giuffe $500k, with a non disclosure agreement thrown in. While I think Andrew has behaved badly & stupidly, I also think Giuffre is pursuing him in the hope of another pay-off. Tough call for Andrew if he (or his mum) coughs up as that will make him appear even more guilty. |
"I also think Giuffre is pursuing him in the hope of another pay-off"
I think that's incredibly harsh. The criminal system has let her down, indeed the British police have refused to investigate despite the alleged crimes taking place in the UK. Make of that what you will.
So what else can she do? If she gets to have her day in court the jury will hear the evidence and there will be some form of justice if she wins.
That said, I suspect this will get settled, not least because if she goes to court and loses in a civil case there could be lawyers costs due on her part (for PA) that will be prohibitive. |  |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:43 - Jan 5 with 1342 views | Radlett_blue |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:10 - Jan 5 by bluelagos |
"I also think Giuffre is pursuing him in the hope of another pay-off"
I think that's incredibly harsh. The criminal system has let her down, indeed the British police have refused to investigate despite the alleged crimes taking place in the UK. Make of that what you will.
So what else can she do? If she gets to have her day in court the jury will hear the evidence and there will be some form of justice if she wins.
That said, I suspect this will get settled, not least because if she goes to court and loses in a civil case there could be lawyers costs due on her part (for PA) that will be prohibitive. |
Giuffre already accepted a pay off from the prime perpetrator. I wouldn't blame her at all for seeking another pay off from Andrew, especially as there is little chance of actually bringing him into a court. | |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 13:25 - Jan 5 with 1211 views | J2BLUE |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 10:43 - Jan 5 by Radlett_blue |
Giuffre already accepted a pay off from the prime perpetrator. I wouldn't blame her at all for seeking another pay off from Andrew, especially as there is little chance of actually bringing him into a court. |
Extremely unfair and wrong to suggest she's looking for a pay off. She might be but there's no evidence and it's that kind of attitude which allows people to get away with it.
Just to be clear I am not suggesting Andrew is guilty, just that he should face the same justice system the peasants would face. | |
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| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 13:29 - Jan 5 with 1195 views | footers |
| Going well for Prince Andrew in court today then on 13:25 - Jan 5 by J2BLUE |
Extremely unfair and wrong to suggest she's looking for a pay off. She might be but there's no evidence and it's that kind of attitude which allows people to get away with it.
Just to be clear I am not suggesting Andrew is guilty, just that he should face the same justice system the peasants would face. |
Indeed. If Andrew was from a dysfunctional family of inbred benefit claimants who contribute nothing to society he'd be treated much differently.
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