| Arise Sir Keir 15:45 - Jan 31 with 5064 views | bluelagos |
Powerful speech |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 15:50 - Jan 31 with 2776 views | gtsb1966 |
Theresa May kicking him in the bollox too. |  | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 15:57 - Jan 31 with 2716 views | bluelagos |
| Arise Sir Keir on 15:50 - Jan 31 by gtsb1966 |
Theresa May kicking him in the bollox too. |
Andrew Mitchell followed up too. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:00 - Jan 31 with 2668 views | gtsb1966 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 15:57 - Jan 31 by bluelagos |
Andrew Mitchell followed up too. |
I can see quite a few letters going in tonight. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:01 - Jan 31 with 2655 views | tractordownsouth |
Ian Blackford with his usual bluster. Everyone else made thoughtful contributions, but he switched the attention away from Johnson and made it all about himself. |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 with 2609 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:01 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Ian Blackford with his usual bluster. Everyone else made thoughtful contributions, but he switched the attention away from Johnson and made it all about himself. |
So today is Sue Gray day then... by GlasgowBlue 31 Jan 2022 16:01Blackford is a fool, whose grandstanding completely took the momentum away from the pressure that was building on Johnson.
Contrast Blackford with the forensic filleting by Starmer and the cool and calm way T May reduced Johnson to a quivering wreck.
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 with 2626 views | Steve_M |
| Arise Sir Keir on 15:50 - Jan 31 by gtsb1966 |
Theresa May kicking him in the bollox too. |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 with 2620 views | HARRY10 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:01 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Ian Blackford with his usual bluster. Everyone else made thoughtful contributions, but he switched the attention away from Johnson and made it all about himself. |
utter nonsense !
The only one with the ba;;s to state that the bloated buffoon misled and lied to the House
And was prepared to stand by his words |  | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:12 - Jan 31 with 2523 views | noggin |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
utter nonsense !
The only one with the ba;;s to state that the bloated buffoon misled and lied to the House
And was prepared to stand by his words |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:14 - Jan 31 with 2481 views | keighleyblue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:01 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Ian Blackford with his usual bluster. Everyone else made thoughtful contributions, but he switched the attention away from Johnson and made it all about himself. |
utter crap. Blackford is one of the good guys |  | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:16 - Jan 31 with 2446 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:02 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
utter nonsense !
The only one with the ba;;s to state that the bloated buffoon misled and lied to the House
And was prepared to stand by his words |
Everyone's done that outside the house and made the point many times, Blackford was just trying to create a viral clip and get Twitter likes. The fact he blusters every week makes his anger less effective. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:19 - Jan 31 with 2397 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:14 - Jan 31 by keighleyblue |
utter crap. Blackford is one of the good guys |
Tell that to Charles Kennedy's family... | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:20 - Jan 31 with 2385 views | Ryorry |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:16 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Everyone's done that outside the house and made the point many times, Blackford was just trying to create a viral clip and get Twitter likes. The fact he blusters every week makes his anger less effective. |
No - it needs to be said *inside* the house to really make the point - ie to come out with what the majority of the rest of the country is thinking, and I don't just mean Scotland. |  |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:24 - Jan 31 with 2315 views | StokieBlue |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:16 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Everyone's done that outside the house and made the point many times, Blackford was just trying to create a viral clip and get Twitter likes. The fact he blusters every week makes his anger less effective. |
Out of interest, who does it make him less effective to?
One could argue that when you have a blustering leader living by soundbites that soundbites are the best way to engage and persuade his support base.
Not everyone is going to watch the debate.
Now a debate could be had about whether it was the right time but I understand why he might have felt it was. Generally I'm not a fan of him though.
SB [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 16:24]
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:28 - Jan 31 with 2256 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:24 - Jan 31 by StokieBlue |
Out of interest, who does it make him less effective to?
One could argue that when you have a blustering leader living by soundbites that soundbites are the best way to engage and persuade his support base.
Not everyone is going to watch the debate.
Now a debate could be had about whether it was the right time but I understand why he might have felt it was. Generally I'm not a fan of him though.
SB [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 16:24]
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On your first point, I concede that it probably only makes him less effective to the few hundred thousand people who watch PMQs rather than the millions who don't.
It did come across as very self-centred though - he could've made the same point and worded it much more effectively in a way that didn't require Hoyle's attention | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:28 - Jan 31 with 2248 views | HARRY10 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:16 - Jan 31 by tractordownsouth |
Everyone's done that outside the house and made the point many times, Blackford was just trying to create a viral clip and get Twitter likes. The fact he blusters every week makes his anger less effective. |
But no one has said that inside the house !
(do try to keep up)
Thank god some someone has challenged this archaic nonsense. When evidence of lying has been shown, then it is nonsense to whinge and whine when it is stated in the House
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:36 - Jan 31 with 2167 views | Zx1988 |
Irrespective of any potential issues with his previous conduct, I'm with Blackford on this one.
The parliamentary rule that an MP cannot be accused of lying, despite the debate being upon the evidence of said MP's lies, makes an absolute mockery of the democratic system.
If you've watched the footage of that particular part of the debate, you can see/hear from Hoyle's demeanor that he doesn't seem to agree with it either.
More power to Blackford's elbow for calling Johnson out on the record for his lies, and having the backbone to refuse to withdraw his comments.
F**k Johnson, f**k the Tories, and f**k anyone who defends this criminally incompetent/corrupt shower. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:42 - Jan 31 with 2086 views | Ryorry |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:36 - Jan 31 by Zx1988 |
Irrespective of any potential issues with his previous conduct, I'm with Blackford on this one.
The parliamentary rule that an MP cannot be accused of lying, despite the debate being upon the evidence of said MP's lies, makes an absolute mockery of the democratic system.
If you've watched the footage of that particular part of the debate, you can see/hear from Hoyle's demeanor that he doesn't seem to agree with it either.
More power to Blackford's elbow for calling Johnson out on the record for his lies, and having the backbone to refuse to withdraw his comments.
F**k Johnson, f**k the Tories, and f**k anyone who defends this criminally incompetent/corrupt shower. |
I'd have thought, but guess I must be wrong? that it's similar to the libel/slander laws - ie if what you've said about the other person is demonstrably true (in this case that Johnson's a liar), then you can't be prosecuted (or thrown out) for it 🤔 [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 16:43]
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:43 - Jan 31 with 2076 views | Zx1988 |
| Arise Sir Keir on 16:42 - Jan 31 by Ryorry |
I'd have thought, but guess I must be wrong? that it's similar to the libel/slander laws - ie if what you've said about the other person is demonstrably true (in this case that Johnson's a liar), then you can't be prosecuted (or thrown out) for it 🤔 [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 16:43]
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I'd argue, given that anything said in Parliament is privileged, the threshold would be even lower in the chamber.
There have been a few cases recently where MPs have used this privilege to circumvent dodgy injunctions etc., | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 16:45 - Jan 31 with 2053 views | HARRY10 |
Of course the Speaker recognises the sheer stupidity of not being able to repeated what has been shown in Parliament
There is a Parliamentary privilege, where so much can be said without recourse to libel, or even evidence. This is a not a demand that accusations can be bandied about willy nilly, but stating the truth.
Johnson has lied at the dispatch box in a regular basis.
Yet when Blackford gave evidence that Johnson deliberately lied, it is not permitted to then refer to him as a liar | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:19 - Jan 31 with 1861 views | Darth_Koont |
As a rule of thumb, you can always ignore what the Spectator (in particular) and the right-wing press as a whole have to say about the SNP.
They’re just as smeary and loose with the facts as they are/were towards Corbyn. [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 17:26]
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| Arise Sir Keir on 17:36 - Jan 31 with 1774 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:19 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
As a rule of thumb, you can always ignore what the Spectator (in particular) and the right-wing press as a whole have to say about the SNP.
They’re just as smeary and loose with the facts as they are/were towards Corbyn. [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 17:26]
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Another rule of thumb is if anyone credits Starmer with anything positive you’ll be along to discredit it quicker than you can reach a box of tissues whilst watching a compilation of Jezza’s best bits. | | | |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:43 - Jan 31 with 1732 views | tractordownsouth |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:19 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
As a rule of thumb, you can always ignore what the Spectator (in particular) and the right-wing press as a whole have to say about the SNP.
They’re just as smeary and loose with the facts as they are/were towards Corbyn. [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 17:26]
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You just have to google Ian Blackford Charles Kennedy to find multiple articles from different publications on the issue. Shouting "smear" as a default can only get you so far. | |
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| Arise Sir Keir on 17:44 - Jan 31 with 1720 views | Darth_Koont |
| Arise Sir Keir on 17:36 - Jan 31 by PassionNotAnger |
Another rule of thumb is if anyone credits Starmer with anything positive you’ll be along to discredit it quicker than you can reach a box of tissues whilst watching a compilation of Jezza’s best bits. |
Like I did on this thread, you mean? 😀
Anyway, now you’ve raised it ... why do I have to like Starmer and think his centre-right politics is appealing or right for the country?
The Tories may be sh!tter but this is no real alternative direction for a country that badly needs it IMO. We need a bit more than a change of management. | |
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