| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. 21:38 - Sep 12 with 2223 views | NthQldITFC |
Just watched his speech in Westminster Hall to the assembled Lords and MPs and it struck me that he speaks with great gravitas and deep consideration and belief in what he is saying, and will command a great deal of respect from politicians. Obviously he cannot speak publicly on specific policy matters, but his views on important matters, primarily of course the environment, are well-known.
I'm not really either a Royalist or a Republican, but I can see the importance of having an independent Head of State, and I think that our system and the previous and current incumbent have done, and will do very nicely. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 21:54 - Sep 12 with 1793 views | Ftnfwest |
Was saying this the other day after the first speech. The queen spoke well in public but was never entirely comfortable with it, which I think he is. He’s a conservationist and I think he’ll be able to at least speak positively about that. |  | | |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 22:05 - Sep 12 with 1761 views | NthQldITFC |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 21:54 - Sep 12 by Ftnfwest |
Was saying this the other day after the first speech. The queen spoke well in public but was never entirely comfortable with it, which I think he is. He’s a conservationist and I think he’ll be able to at least speak positively about that. |
Yes. I hope he pushes the envelope a bit to put pressure on the Government (even this one!) to take decisions based on medium term survival rather than short term 'gain'.
I guess he can speak in general terms about how desperately we need to act, as long as he is not speaking about specific policy or perhaps specific technologies? | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 22:09 - Sep 12 with 1751 views | Pinewoodblue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 21:54 - Sep 12 by Ftnfwest |
Was saying this the other day after the first speech. The queen spoke well in public but was never entirely comfortable with it, which I think he is. He’s a conservationist and I think he’ll be able to at least speak positively about that. |
Apparently he had, in the past, made a habit of pestering government ministers. Hopefully he will keep it up. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 22:27 - Sep 12 with 1701 views | Vic |
Very much so. I’ve not been a fan of his, but have been really impressed every time he’s opened his mouth! |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 08:42 - Sep 13 with 1401 views | LeoMuff |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 22:09 - Sep 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Apparently he had, in the past, made a habit of pestering government ministers. Hopefully he will keep it up. |
Well he got well and truly slapped down with his Rwanda comments, when things started coming out in the press about suitcases of cash from the Saudis being accepted, so I think he will think twice with this lot. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 08:59 - Sep 13 with 1367 views | Swansea_Blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 08:42 - Sep 13 by LeoMuff |
Well he got well and truly slapped down with his Rwanda comments, when things started coming out in the press about suitcases of cash from the Saudis being accepted, so I think he will think twice with this lot. |
I can’t see him affect anything. He couldn’t/wouldn’t even protect his own son from press harassment despite what happened to Di.
His charities and initiatives do some good work, but that’s as far as his reach will go I expect apart from his prescribed, symbolic duties. All a bit pointless really. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:17 - Sep 13 with 1333 views | NthQldITFC |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 08:59 - Sep 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I can’t see him affect anything. He couldn’t/wouldn’t even protect his own son from press harassment despite what happened to Di.
His charities and initiatives do some good work, but that’s as far as his reach will go I expect apart from his prescribed, symbolic duties. All a bit pointless really. |
I hope he can find a way to project himself as an authoritative figure, obviously with massive press attention, promoting the generalities of what is required immediately in the existential fight against environmental catastrophe.
He is in a position to influence a significant chunk of the public who really still haven't understood what a critical threat we are facing. He's therefore in a crucially important to put indirect pressure on a criminally irresponsible Government.
Personally, I'm not interested in a Royalist/Republican debate, his dealings with his family, or any criticism of previous decisions, because frankly they are all relatively unimportant and counter-productive distractions from the opportunity he has to do the things I've suggested above. | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:37 - Sep 13 with 1284 views | Swansea_Blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:17 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
I hope he can find a way to project himself as an authoritative figure, obviously with massive press attention, promoting the generalities of what is required immediately in the existential fight against environmental catastrophe.
He is in a position to influence a significant chunk of the public who really still haven't understood what a critical threat we are facing. He's therefore in a crucially important to put indirect pressure on a criminally irresponsible Government.
Personally, I'm not interested in a Royalist/Republican debate, his dealings with his family, or any criticism of previous decisions, because frankly they are all relatively unimportant and counter-productive distractions from the opportunity he has to do the things I've suggested above. |
A champion? Possibly. He may be able to influence, if he uses his platform. His mother didn't, but I'm not sure whether that was a personal choice or due to convention. If there's one thing Charlie is about it's convention. If he thinks he can speak out, hopefully he will. If he thinks now being King requires him to take a more distant, less committed approach I suspect he'll go down that route instead.
It'll be interesting - a lot of people are hoping that he does have some sway. I hope he does, as we need to somehow get through the the people who don't the problem. i would have expected climate/sustainability to be the only area he may get involved in. I can't see him being seen to be meddling with politics or in any way partisan. | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:46 - Sep 13 with 1271 views | baxterbasics |
He has at the very least a weekly audience with the PM, an opportunity to nag and lobby all he likes, privately. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:52 - Sep 13 with 1257 views | giant_stow |
I've managed to miss nearly all the coverage, but respect you as a correspondent, so glad to hear the guy I shaping up well. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:53 - Sep 13 with 1256 views | clive_baker |
He certainly does, he's a bright bloke and speaks with real authority.
As you say he's done loads for action on climate change and having our King, the King of the United Kingdon who is passionate about such an important issue can only be a good thing. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:28 - Sep 13 with 1199 views | NthQldITFC |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:52 - Sep 13 by giant_stow |
I've managed to miss nearly all the coverage, but respect you as a correspondent, so glad to hear the guy I shaping up well. |
I wouldn't put too much faith in me as a royal (or any other sort of) correspondent, Ullaa, I'm no Jennie Bond! | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:32 - Sep 13 with 1189 views | thebooks |
He's a pompous dullard with a ragtag of mainly misguided beliefs. He's one of the main reasons modern housing in this country is so banal, for example.
The unelected head of the aristocracy is not an independent head of state. If we're relying on Prince Charles to temper the excesses of an insane Tory govt., we really are fecked. |  | | |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:33 - Sep 13 with 1183 views | Swansea_Blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:28 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
I wouldn't put too much faith in me as a royal (or any other sort of) correspondent, Ullaa, I'm no Jennie Bond! |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:35 - Sep 13 with 1169 views | giant_stow |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:28 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
I wouldn't put too much faith in me as a royal (or any other sort of) correspondent, Ullaa, I'm no Jennie Bond! |
You'll do!
tbh, I just can't get into all of this. Uninterested at the best of times and now sadness in the mix too. | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:36 - Sep 13 with 1163 views | clive_baker |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:32 - Sep 13 by thebooks |
He's a pompous dullard with a ragtag of mainly misguided beliefs. He's one of the main reasons modern housing in this country is so banal, for example.
The unelected head of the aristocracy is not an independent head of state. If we're relying on Prince Charles to temper the excesses of an insane Tory govt., we really are fecked. |
Off with your head | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 11:06 - Sep 13 with 1129 views | hoppy |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:28 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
I wouldn't put too much faith in me as a royal (or any other sort of) correspondent, Ullaa, I'm no Jennie Bond! |
Not on a Tuesday, anyway. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 11:26 - Sep 13 with 1080 views | jeera |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 10:36 - Sep 13 by clive_baker |
Off with your head |
Orf surely. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 12:00 - Sep 13 with 1050 views | Radlett_blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 22:05 - Sep 12 by NthQldITFC |
Yes. I hope he pushes the envelope a bit to put pressure on the Government (even this one!) to take decisions based on medium term survival rather than short term 'gain'.
I guess he can speak in general terms about how desperately we need to act, as long as he is not speaking about specific policy or perhaps specific technologies? |
That is exactly what King Charles should not do. The monarchy survives in this country partly because the Queen kept out of politics & controversy. If the King is seen to be trying to influence public policy, he will become unpopular with a significant section of the country. |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 13:43 - Sep 13 with 966 views | Ryorry |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 09:37 - Sep 13 by Swansea_Blue |
A champion? Possibly. He may be able to influence, if he uses his platform. His mother didn't, but I'm not sure whether that was a personal choice or due to convention. If there's one thing Charlie is about it's convention. If he thinks he can speak out, hopefully he will. If he thinks now being King requires him to take a more distant, less committed approach I suspect he'll go down that route instead.
It'll be interesting - a lot of people are hoping that he does have some sway. I hope he does, as we need to somehow get through the the people who don't the problem. i would have expected climate/sustainability to be the only area he may get involved in. I can't see him being seen to be meddling with politics or in any way partisan. |
I've always rated him highly & never understood why so many people didn't.
Throughout his life he's spoken out & actively supported what is absolutely fundamental to the continued existence of decent human life - the environment we all depend on, and young people. Often courageously so, in the face of mocking & derision for being a "crank" when presciently advocating better care for the planet from the 1960s onwards, long before most people were aware or concerned about environmental issues.
Some people may not have seen the interview with him 2-3 days ago, in which he replied to the interviewer's question about whether he'd now be "speaking out" on issues as per his comments when Prince of Wales - "Of course I won't, I'm not a fool"!
I think, having built up a history of comments & actions which clearly show his position on, & concern for, the environment, he won't actually need to say anything more - politicians, CEOs etc will be very aware of whether he'll approve or disapprove of what they say & do. Actually extremely clever by him, if he planned it like this, a very useful "soft power" background.
He can still speak & influence via his actions though - I'm secretly hoping he'll be taking imminent measures to turn Buck Pel & all other royal buildings into carbon-neutral or eco houses :)
He's had about 60 years to train for stepping up as well as he has, couldn't have had a better teacher than his late Mum - one reason I'm pro-monarchy. Yes you can get the occasional rogue (Andrew), but election doesn't guarantee non-rogues either - I need hardly mention recent "heads" in UK & US! |  |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 14:20 - Sep 13 with 930 views | NthQldITFC |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 12:00 - Sep 13 by Radlett_blue |
That is exactly what King Charles should not do. The monarchy survives in this country partly because the Queen kept out of politics & controversy. If the King is seen to be trying to influence public policy, he will become unpopular with a significant section of the country. |
There's a fuzzy line in there somewhere, isn't there?
Surely he can use expressions such as "We must protect our beautiful planet" and "We must support the young people doing wonderful things to help nature" but avoid statements like "If they approve a new coal mine in Surrey I'll set the Beefeaters on them".
Where's the line in between? | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 14:43 - Sep 13 with 902 views | Radlett_blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 13:43 - Sep 13 by Ryorry |
I've always rated him highly & never understood why so many people didn't.
Throughout his life he's spoken out & actively supported what is absolutely fundamental to the continued existence of decent human life - the environment we all depend on, and young people. Often courageously so, in the face of mocking & derision for being a "crank" when presciently advocating better care for the planet from the 1960s onwards, long before most people were aware or concerned about environmental issues.
Some people may not have seen the interview with him 2-3 days ago, in which he replied to the interviewer's question about whether he'd now be "speaking out" on issues as per his comments when Prince of Wales - "Of course I won't, I'm not a fool"!
I think, having built up a history of comments & actions which clearly show his position on, & concern for, the environment, he won't actually need to say anything more - politicians, CEOs etc will be very aware of whether he'll approve or disapprove of what they say & do. Actually extremely clever by him, if he planned it like this, a very useful "soft power" background.
He can still speak & influence via his actions though - I'm secretly hoping he'll be taking imminent measures to turn Buck Pel & all other royal buildings into carbon-neutral or eco houses :)
He's had about 60 years to train for stepping up as well as he has, couldn't have had a better teacher than his late Mum - one reason I'm pro-monarchy. Yes you can get the occasional rogue (Andrew), but election doesn't guarantee non-rogues either - I need hardly mention recent "heads" in UK & US! |
There are always huge contradictions. If Charles is still passionate about environmental issues, will he stop taking private jets & helicopters everywhere, or still play the "security" card. Would be nice if he could set an example. | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 15:20 - Sep 13 with 875 views | Ryorry |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 14:43 - Sep 13 by Radlett_blue |
There are always huge contradictions. If Charles is still passionate about environmental issues, will he stop taking private jets & helicopters everywhere, or still play the "security" card. Would be nice if he could set an example. |
If there's a work-around I'm sure he'll find it, but doubt there is with flying - security nightmare if you add in the potential risks of commercial jets or 'copters - not just passengers, but engineers, servicing, tech staff, cabin crew etc. reliability.
He could maybe use trains more where time's not a factor! | |
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| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 15:32 - Sep 13 with 851 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 14:20 - Sep 13 by NthQldITFC |
There's a fuzzy line in there somewhere, isn't there?
Surely he can use expressions such as "We must protect our beautiful planet" and "We must support the young people doing wonderful things to help nature" but avoid statements like "If they approve a new coal mine in Surrey I'll set the Beefeaters on them".
Where's the line in between? |
Here's the late Queen's Speech to the COP26 summit in Glasgow, less than a year ago.
It shows exactly how she was able to apply pressure and support without crossing the boundaries, and, I believe, would fit the criteria some have outlined in this thread. It is tragic that her words weren't heeded:
"I am delighted to welcome you all to the 26th United Nations Climate Change Conference; and it is perhaps fitting that you have come together in Glasgow, once a heartland of the industrial revolution, but now a place to address climate change.
"This is a duty I am especially happy to discharge, as the impact of the environment on human progress was a subject close to the heart of my dear late husband, Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh.
"I remember well that in 1969, he told an academic gathering: 'If the world pollution situation is not critical at the moment, it is as certain as anything can be, that the situation will become increasingly intolerable within a very short time… If we fail to cope with this challenge, all the other problems will pale into insignificance.'
"It is a source of great pride to me that the leading role my husband played in encouraging people to protect our fragile planet, lives on through the work of our eldest son Charles and his eldest son William. I could not be more proud of them.
"Indeed, I have drawn great comfort and inspiration from the relentless enthusiasm of people of all ages — especially the young — in calling for everyone to play their part.
"In the coming days, the world has the chance to join in the shared objective of creating a safer, stabler future for our people and for the planet on which we depend.
"None of us underestimates the challenges ahead: but history has shown that when nations come together in common cause, there is always room for hope. Working side by side, we have the ability to solve the most insurmountable problems and to triumph over the greatest of adversities.
"For more than seventy years, I have been lucky to meet and to know many of the world’s great leaders. And I have perhaps come to understand a little about what made them special.
"It has sometimes been observed that what leaders do for their people today is government and politics. But what they do for the people of tomorrow - that is statesmanship.
"I, for one, hope that this conference will be one of those rare occasions where everyone will have the chance to rise above the politics of the moment, and achieve true statesmanship.
"It is the hope of many that the legacy of this summit — written in history books yet to be printed — will describe you as the leaders who did not pass up the opportunity; and that you answered the call of those future generations. That you left this conference as a community of nations with a determination, a desire, and a plan, to address the impact of climate change; and to recognise that the time for words has now moved to the time for action.
"Of course, the benefits of such actions will not be there to enjoy for all of us here today: we none of us will live forever. But we are doing this not for ourselves but for our children and our children’s children, and those who will follow in their footsteps.
"And so, I wish you every good fortune in this significant endeavour." |  | | |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 15:35 - Sep 13 with 845 views | Swansea_Blue |
| King Charles really does speak very well, does he not. on 15:20 - Sep 13 by Ryorry |
If there's a work-around I'm sure he'll find it, but doubt there is with flying - security nightmare if you add in the potential risks of commercial jets or 'copters - not just passengers, but engineers, servicing, tech staff, cabin crew etc. reliability.
He could maybe use trains more where time's not a factor! |
He's obviously never tried Fergal Imaginary Flying Scooters Inc.
Interesting thoughts above about soft power. I hadn't really thought of that. He's got the platform to be bullish if he wants though - just has to balance it against being perceived as politically biased. I'm sure he could speak out at major environmental events and the like (COP would have been ideal), but try to give the appearance of being politically neutral? He could probably do that on environment issues, because he can stay on the issue and not address the politics.
he couldn't temper the excesses of the Tories though. People hoping for that are going to be disappointed almost certainly. He'd be hung out to dry by client journalists if he tried to meddle. | |
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